U got it rite for the first time I think... It need to be thought that y educated ppl. of khi dont trust any alternate than MQM. Also why a whole community which keep wasting their votes on hypocrite JI for son long than all of a sudden moved to MQM. There must be some reason. Try to realize it.
I am very happy that the discussion reached to some conclusion...
Then same is the argument from taliban as a muhajir general helped America invade them. So they are attacking us because of a coward muhajir general and army is fighting them. Mqm and its supporter should be dealt with same way. I would support this extra judicial killing then.
Unlike people like you, I have read enough History books to actively condemn issues like electoral injustice, economic inequalities and regional isolation in contemporary Pakistan politics in light of East Pakistan tragedy. Do likes of you have the guts to talk about these issues?
I have seen how you hypocrites thekheyaar of "Pakistan history" mocked, ridiculed, trivialised and dismissed Imran's electoral justice demand when this was single biggest factor that pushed Mujib on the edge! So where is your lesson from the history books you've read? Do you believe in electoral justice and free and fair democracy?
Yes, it is a fact that a lot arm "intellechuaaals" of Pakistan don't give a rats ass about economic, political and legal factors that brought the war, heck likes of you don't even like to talk about Indian involvement. It's all same old BS bughz e maawiya of Army/JI that forces you to shed crocodile tears for Bangladesh.
Most of Khi ppl dont disagree with IK about electoral justice demand... but for them it is not matter of life n death as well ( as for existing pakistan ) . IK had made an issue of poll rigging and failed to prove it. Results of repeat elections are showing the same story. that is
ppl. of punjab will give vote to PMNL-N being confident that they will convert whole federal budget to punjab as well as their strong electable. The day these electable move away from NS , PML-N will be another PML -Q ..
PPl of Interior sindh will vote to PPP ( unless ) another equal group doesnot come into picture.
PPl of urban sindh will vote for MQM unless PSP/anyother party comes more stronger...
PPl. of KPK will vote for PTI for being a replacement of ANP ( being a majority KPK / HAZARA leadership )
PPL of Baluchistan will vote for electable as ususal.
Yes Muhajir nationalism identified and created by Zia ul Haq to counter PPP.
Please give Army some credit for making it possible for educated Muhajirs to have a glorious alternative to JI.
For some one who is looking for identity for a whole 40 + years , caling him self pakistani but in return continuously being caled hindustani.. Identity of mohajir is great thing to achieve. I dont see any one insulting me by calling hindustani any more...
I give credit to any one who gave it to me...
Most of Khi ppl dont disagree with IK about electoral justice demand... but for them it is not matter of life n death as well ( as for existing pakistan ) . IK had made an issue of poll rigging and failed to prove it. Results of repeat elections are showing the same story. that is
So what history did you study? Deadlock over electoral justice led to breaking of country with millions dead, and you think it's not important enough issue? You do know that MQM terrorists killed PTI's Zahra Apa for asking for a recount, and you think such criminal denial of electoral justice doesn't become matter of life and death? FYI. Zahra Shahid was a Muhajir.
It's one thing to know history and show selective outrage on certain aspects, and another to learn lessons from it and strongly advocate the repeat of it. My point stands corrected that vast majority of hypocritical thekeydaar of 1971 don't two hoots about the factors that led to it and are still so relevant in Pakistani politics.
PS: Back in the day, Mujib too wasn't able to prove the electoral injustice and failed to garner support in West Pakistan who were more busy in ridiculing him, demonsing him and shutting him down just like intellectuaaals did with Imran.
Salute to those people who have learned lesson from the history and raised voice against electoral fraud.
If free and fair elections are not important or matter of life and death, then why Muhajirs simply can't get over rigging done against Fatimah Jinnah? You yourself have cried numerous time over this issue. Why the generational baggage over such small and insignificant episode?
Is it because Fatima Jinnah was 'Muhajir' her fight was important and worth remembering till this day, and IK has Pashtun/Punjabi heritage, so who cares about his cause?
Most of Khi ppl dont disagree with IK about electoral justice demand... but for them it is not matter of life n death as well ( as for existing pakistan ) . IK had made an issue of poll rigging and failed to prove it. Results of repeat elections are showing the same story. that is
ppl. of punjab will give vote to PMNL-N being confident that they will convert whole federal budget to punjab as well as their strong electable. The day these electable move away from NS , PML-N will be another PML -Q ..
PPl of Interior sindh will vote to PPP ( unless ) another equal group doesnot come into picture.
PPl of urban sindh will vote for MQM unless PSP/anyother party comes more stronger...
PPl. of KPK will vote for PTI for being a replacement of ANP ( being a majority KPK / HAZARA leadership )
PPL of Baluchistan will vote for electable as ususal.
I think you being a die hard MQM apologist have no right to pass judgements on Pashtun electorate who have history of giving all parties a chance and never electing any party twice!
You may find this shocking, but local KPK leadership of Sindhi PPP and Punjabi PMLN had all been local Pashtun representatives.
So please don't insult Pashtuns by accusing them of voting over ethnic lines. They are truly the most democratic, egalitarian group in Pakistan.
If free and fair elections are not important or matter of life and death, then why Muhajirs simply can't get over rigging done against Fatimah Jinnah? You yourself have cried numerous time over this issue. Why the generational baggage over such small and insignificant episode?
Is it because Fatima Jinnah was 'Muhajir' her fight was important and worth remembering till this day, and IK has Pashtun/Punjabi heritage, so who cares about his cause?
Aik to it is very difficult for u to understand the meaning of what I wrote. May be coz my engilsih is not that good . Off course Electoral rigging need to be eliminated and can be done by electronic voting system. Nothing else. But my point is even we reach to free and fair elections to date results not gonna change ... description I already given..
I think you being a die hard MQM apologist have no right to pass judgements on Pashtun electorate who have history of giving all parties a chance and never electing any party twice!
You may find this shocking, but local KPK leadership of Sindhi PPP and Punjabi PMLN had all been local Pashtun representatives.
So please don't insult Pashtuns by accusing them of voting over ethnic lines. They are truly the most democratic, egalitarian group in Pakistan.
It is open forum . No one need to deny from any one's rite... This is the approach of PTI facebook brigade not to let others having udnerstanding different than them to talk...
As for ur statement above . I hope ur statement remain valid in a few years time... Lets hope for good. I wud be very happy to get proved wrong.
Its BD's internal matter. I hate it when our 'momins' start doing siyasat on other nation's behalf. Apna aap sudhaaro, dossron kee firkar na karo.
In fact if anything, the way JI of Pakistan supports rape and asks the rape victim females to shush their mouth and dont report the crime, we should follow BD and hang these jackasess too.
i rather trust the supporters of corrupt leaders on this forum than to give a rat ass to the supporters of those leaders who endorse the rape crime.
JI has not changed over the time. It has always gone against Pakistan and people of Pakistan.
In 1947, they played Indian nationalism card and called Mr Jinnah Kafir e Azam.
In 1971, they dipped their hands with blood of innocent Muslims of East Pakistan, by becoming army's right hand.
In late 70s they became right hand of Zia regime and supported so called Afghan Jihad and did haramkhori on funds of USA. At that times, they even beaten students who chanted slogans against USA. Irony, post 9/11, they turned against USA... Koi sharm hoti hai koi haya hoti hai. Kutte jitni wafadari to dikhate haddi dalne walon ke liye.
Latest: Taliban shaheed hai... Army soldiers are not shaheed who are fighting against Taliban. They took side of army, when army was massacring country fellows in East Pakistan and turned against army when it did operation against Taliban. Clear evidence that they are never for Pakistan and Pakistanis. Their hearts beat for so called sharia followers Taliban, but not for biddati Pakistanis.
We need a zalim Hasina in Pakistan to hang likes of Munawwar. Period.
Its BD's internal matter. I hate it when our 'momins' start doing siyasat on other nation's behalf. Apna aap sudhaaro, dossron kee firkar na karo.
In fact if anything, the way JI of Pakistan supports rape and asks the rape victim females to shush their mouth and dont report the crime, we should follow BD and hang these jackasess too.
i rather trust the supporters of corrupt leaders on this forum than to give a rat ass to the supporters of those leaders who endorse the rape crime.
Btw, there are so many self haters and indian agent type news anchors. No one ever blamed JI for rape not even inquired about it from them. But there is worse type that can easily beleive without proof that JI raped bengalis.
How naive, as if Alshams and Albadr were made to distribute food and medicine among Bengalis during 1971 massacre. Their leaders have been convicted for war crimes (which includes rapes). When you are supporting killing of males of a family, how come you have saved honour of their ladies? Any official statement from JI that they condemned such killings and rapes during last 45 years?
All this time, Pakistan has been denying commitment of magnitude of rapes, but no one ever denied rapes in absolute terms. If there were rapes, then JI’s Shams o Badar can’t be absolved from such atrocities, being partner in crime.
BTW, I must acknowledge some posters’ skills to turn each every thread into Muhajir Vs others debate, when this thread definitely does not have anything to do with Karachhittes, PPP, Zardari and bla bla, which have been discussed (even after discussed to death in all other threads) in this thread as well, just to deviate from the main point of discussion.
doob maro Jamaityo chulloo bhar pani main.. Laanta hai tum per jo unn rapes pe kal bhi khamosh the aur aaj bhi dhitai per qaim ho, aur doosron ko sharam ki naseehat karte ho.
waise to tumhare Mullah baRe muttaqi bunte hain ke pakbaaz aurat pe tohmat lagana bhi boht baRa jurm hai.... Jinn hammazhab uarton ki izzat looti gai, unka dard kiyun nahin tumhare dil main?
one question. does anyone know what did hamood rehman commission say about the role of JI wings in BD? that would be very helpful.
the issue is that there is no tradition in pakistan to analyze any crisis objectively by setting up an independent commission but from what I heard, hamood rehman commission was did a good job and it is a public document now.
**If the drinker leader and his qaum **were so innocent in that episode they would support east pakistan and join them. But followers of haramkhor would blame on who they want to.
ajaz, i requested you politely so many times that no more labeling of entire community whatsoever. calling leaders haramkhor, drunkard and then bringing entire qaum and then labeling it is not acceptable. which qaum and why label it? it will simply hurt posters from that community and we will get into a nasty war. you did not edit the other post either in which you used the word haramkhor despite my request.
doob maro Jamaityo chulloo bhar pani main.. Laanta hai tum per jo unn rapes pe kal bhi khamosh the aur aaj bhi dhitai per qaim ho, aur doosron ko sharam ki naseehat karte ho.
waise to tumhare Mullah baRe muttaqi bunte hain ke pakbaaz aurat pe tohmat lagana bhi boht baRa jurm hai.... Jinn hammazhab uarton ki izzat looti gai, unka dard kiyun nahin tumhare dil main?
Bhai , As much I maybe against current JI but the direct info that I have about this incident is there were incidents of rapes but not done on party policy basis rather these were act of individuals who were recruited by Notorious shams n badr and were armed by our army + JI. These indviduals used this power to settle old scores with local ppl. At some places local JI leader ship were silent on such incidents but not ordered to do so as well.
This is my opionion
one question. does anyone know what did hamood rehman commission say about the role of JI wings in BD? that would be very helpful.
the issue is that there is no tradition in pakistan to analyze any crisis objectively by setting up an independent commission but from what I heard, hamood rehman commission was did a good job and it is a public document now.
Very true , I beleive all must read this report...
Bhai , As much I maybe against current JI but the direct info that I have about this incident is there were incidents of rapes but not done on party policy basis rather these were act of individuals who were recruited by Notorious shams n badr and were armed by our army + JI. These indviduals used this power to settle old scores with local ppl. At some places local JI leader ship were silent on such incidents but not ordered to do so as well.
This is my opionion
I understand that point, but did JI at any time condemned such atrocities (including rapes). For them their razakar under Shams o Badr remained heroes to date. They may not be directly involved in rapes, but they were instrumental to creating circumstances leading to such rapes.
ajaz, i requested you politely so many times that no more labeling of entire community whatsoever. calling leaders haramkhor, drunkard and then bringing entire qaum and then labeling it is not acceptable. which qaum and why label it? it will simply hurt posters from that community and we will get into a nasty war. you did not edit the other post either in which you used the word haramkhor despite my request.
Bhutto himself said "Haan mein peeta hoon!" No label for any qaum. Just asking what was the role of people of sindh and ppp leaders during dhaka fall. How can anybody say JI raped bengalis, without proof? If everybody here has the right to say anything without proof and you just ignore it because to you it is popular belief that JI raped people then it is also popular belief that zardari is absolutely corrupt and I just used urdu word for corruption. I will use badd-dyanat next time if you think haramkhor is not the right word. For you information, NAB is using words like harmakhori and badd-dyanti in its advertising campaigns against corruption.
I understand that point, but did JI at any time condemned such atrocities (including rapes). For them their razakar under Shams o Badr remained heroes to date. They may not be directly involved in rapes, but they were instrumental to creating circumstances leading to such rapes.
Mukti Bahini has also been accused of killing and raping Bihari citizens of East Pakistan. Have you ever condemned what was done by mukhti bahni? I can assume you support rapes done by Mukti Bahini.