Its BD's internal matter. I hate it when our 'momins' start doing siyasat on other nation's behalf. Apna aap sudhaaro, dossron kee firkar na karo.
In fact if anything, the way JI of Pakistan supports rape and asks the rape victim females to shush their mouth and dont report the crime, we should follow BD and hang these jackasess too.
i rather trust the supporters of corrupt leaders on this forum than to give a rat ass to the supporters of those leaders who endorse the rape crime.
You mean JI version of history. :) Truth is always bitter. Pakis have never been prepared to swallow the truth and change. They accept JI tarhka in the dark history which makes demons into angels. It is a shame and bad luck for Pakistan.
You got the point. BTW, one of a JI colleague once gave a very positive remark about Bhutto. He said 'Bhutto may be punished for his drunkenness and all, but one of his action will lead him to Jannat'. He then told that one action was declaring Ahmedis as non-Muslims. lols.
and there you go again...2nd and last warning. pls edit it. what did i tell you? no name calling whatsoever. express your point without calling names. period. do you think you will call someone haramkhor sitting with your family members? think of this forum also like a family lounge where you can discuss anything but with civility. we have women posters, old uncles, young posters a mix and need to express everything with civility.
and there you go again...2nd and last warning. pls edit it. what did i tell you? no name calling whatsoever. express your point without calling names. period. do you think you will call someone haramkhor sitting with your family members? think of this forum also like a family lounge where you can discuss anything but with civility. we have women posters, old uncles, young posters a mix and need to express everything with civility.
deep sigh.
Sirji corruption se paisa banana haramkhori ho hota ha. Its urdu word. Do you think you will call someone rapist sitting with family?
Urdu meanings of corrupt are badd-dyanat, haramkhor. Please correct me if i am wrong
Sirji corruption se paisa banana haramkhori ho hota ha. Its urdu word. Do you think you will call someone rapist sitting with family?
Urdu meanings of corrupt are badd-dyanat, haramkhor. Please correct me if i am wrong
and being a baby without a marriage for instance is called haramzada in urdu but we dont use that in normal lingo. do we?
look brother, I have nothing in favor of zardari or imran and nawaz but what we are trying to prevent here is use of lingo that will irritate other party. when you will call zardari haramkhor , it will of-course rile PPP supporters and a nasty war will start. when someone will call imran khan zanni, ****** or his father a cheat, what will happen next? no one is stopping you from expressing your opinion on zardari but in a civil way. help and support us in this cultural and verbal transformation. thx
It is very sad what is going on in BD. I feel more like this gonna happen as it increases popular vote for HW .. Things that are gone are gone. These ppl. were pardoned and the same shud have been maintained.
What we PK civilians shud learn that we must never indulge into such activities like Al-shams and al-badr . What ever is the naik niyati behind it. Some part of such outfits wil misuse the power for their personal gains.
I know it very correctly ( from direct witnesses and the direct affectees ) that there were killing of bengalis by these out fits. Not all for the sake of pakistan buchaoo but personal issues were also settled under this disguise.
Later on the ppl linked to these outfits were also killed brutally. Some of my own relatives too.. My father been beaten by bengalis (Even though he was not part of Al-shams or al-badr..). His car taken .. all his land which he purchased in 5 years gone. He was not killed only coz my mother is native bengali... and her father was a peer of localeee.
Now when we discuss the issue he feels begalis were correct as ppl from west pakistan had a usual habit of degrading them in every aspect of life...
This is history not from books rather from real life. Creation of BD is a sad day for us.. but as I get direct info that was bound to happen.
Sorry but some Pakistani "intellectchawals" only shed crocodile tears for Bangladesh out of Bughz e Maawaiya for Army or JI.
Take these two factors out, how many posters who come so alive when it comes to issue of 1971, give rat's ass about electoral rigging, economic inequalities, regional autonomy, free and fair system.....all those things that led to a bloody war?
So whatever.
Don't bother crying for Bangladesh if even if 2016, you have the bloody audacity to trivialise and mock electoral injustice that Mujib was subjected to.
We can accommodate around 3 million Afghan refugees but not these genuine refugees.
Forget overseas Bengalis. Sindh and Punjab Gov closed their borders for IDPs who weren't even refugees, and many people on this forum supported this move.
Yet these are the types who give sermons on Bengali treatment.
M'dear uncle, even a chota sa hole can become a universe in itself if one's mind is not blocked by inter-generational baggage. :)
seriously , I repeated it earlier also , u live in utopia and look things ( specially pk politics ) in black and white... pl do read some hsitory books n u will know alot... specially both u and the great tandoori bhai dont know any thing at all about khi politics. U see things that u read now but dont look into the back ground... Maybe u will be able to see other shades of our politics when u have seen some pages of history turn around.. many rosy things will change to cactus.. and vise versa.. Lets hope world become like hw u see...
seriously , I repeated it earlier also , u live in utopia and look things ( specially pk politics ) in black and white... pl do read some hsitory books n u will know alot... specially both u and the great tandoori bhai dont know any thing at all about khi politics. U see things that u read now but dont look into the back ground... Maybe u will be able to see other shades of our politics when u have seen some pages of history turn around.. many rosy things will change to cactus.. and vise versa.. Lets hope world become like hw u see...
Unlike people like you, I have read enough History books to actively condemn issues like electoral injustice, economic inequalities and regional isolation in contemporary Pakistan politics in light of East Pakistan tragedy. Do likes of you have the guts to talk about these issues?
I have seen how you hypocrites thekheyaar of "Pakistan history" mocked, ridiculed, trivialised and dismissed Imran's electoral justice demand when this was single biggest factor that pushed Mujib on the edge! So where is your lesson from the history books you've read? Do you believe in electoral justice and free and fair democracy?
Yes, it is a fact that a lot arm "intellechuaaals" of Pakistan don't give a rats ass about economic, political and legal factors that brought the war, heck likes of you don't even like to talk about Indian involvement. It's all same old BS bughz e maawiya of Army/JI that forces you to shed crocodile tears for Bangladesh.
During war every nation fight to support their front fighters so was in 1965. But those who have bughz will believe that a person who refuses to appeal president against death sentence can be sex hungry and rapist.
.....And don't bother with oh Imran did this or that, he said "oye Nawas' that's why we didn't support his cause......but poor little Mujib was a beacon of perfection.
Mujib too was demonised, shut down, called traitor, his valid demands were dismissed. You can go ahead and blame Army for that, and I'd agree, if only Yahya had the guts to put Bhutto in his place - if not in grave - to save the country from breaking apart with a colossal human tragedy.
seriously , I repeated it earlier also , u live in utopia and look things ( specially pk politics ) in black and white... pl do read some hsitory books n u will know alot... specially both u and the great tandoori bhai dont know any thing at all about khi politics. U see things that u read now but dont look into the back ground... Maybe u will be able to see other shades of our politics when u have seen some pages of history turn around.. many rosy things will change to cactus.. and vise versa.. Lets hope world become like hw u see...
In other words you want us realize the reason why mqm terrorizes non urdu speaking and why you people vote for mqm despite they do bhatta khori and target killing.
Pakistan is one intellectually bankrupt country with very little sense of identity, self esteem and civilisation. It's an artificial state found on the concept of ideals which are by product of a totally alien and far more advance civilisation (e.g British Parliamentary system).
The era of 70s, 80s were period of extreme polarisation, the narratives written in those decades need to challenged with proper academic research.
In other words you want us realize the reason why mqm terrorizes non urdu speaking and why you people vote for mqm despite they do bhatta khori and target killing.
U got it rite for the first time I think... It need to be thought that y educated ppl. of khi dont trust any alternate than MQM. Also why a whole community which keep wasting their votes on hypocrite JI for son long than all of a sudden moved to MQM. There must be some reason. Try to realize it.
I am very happy that the discussion reached to some conclusion...
U got it rite for the first time I think... It need to be thought that y educated ppl. of khi dont trust any alternate than MQM. Also why a whole community which keep wasting their votes on hypocrite JI for son long than all of a sudden moved to MQM. **There must be some reason. **Try to realize it.
I am very happy that the discussion reached to some conclusion...
Yes Muhajir nationalism identified and created by Zia ul Haq to counter PPP.
Please give Army some credit for making it possible for educated Muhajirs to have a glorious alternative to JI.