Ahmedinejad's letter

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why dont existing nuclear powers eliminate their nuclear arsenal? Dont give me BS about it beign reduced, they could blow up the planet twice over if they wished with what they have. If the aim is to make the world a safer place why the recent increase in research on nuclear weapons in America?

America is a repressive tyrannical regime to a lot of Muslim countries. And speaking of nuclear ultimatums, wasnt the talk of “tactical nuclear weapons” being used emanating from some quarters recently. hm..

Sure, long past it. Which is why Israel has become the ME’s first nuclear power. Because it was wary of the misunderstandings. This is also why America increased funding for nuclear weapon research. And talked of using nuclear weapons on Iran, merely so theres no macho posturing and misunderstandings.

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OG, it wasn't 2003, rather August of 2002 and it was revealed by a dissident of Iran. After that Iran's chief nuclear negotiator announced a voluntary and temporary suspension of its uranium enrichment program, which was in a part a confidence building-measure with EU. BTW, enrichment is not a violation of the NPT.

While we are in it, what do you think about Operation Merlin. All I have to say is........God Bless AmeRRikaa. :)

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The ten frikkin' years when those secret installations were being built and operating were clear violations of the NPT. Disclosed enrichment is not a violation. Undisclosed enrichment is a clear violation. To date there are huge holes in the transparent disclosure called for under the NPT, which is precisely why Iran was refered to the Security Council.

Huge portions of Irans' nuclear program were undisclosed for years. Why? And why should we trust Iran now. We should not. Confidence was never rebuilt.

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OG

No country in the world has used nuclear weapons except USA.

No country in the world has threatened using nuclear weapons except USA. In each and every conflict that arises the US newspapers report plans of using "small nuclear bombs", they reported this in Afghan War and now on Iran.

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Gosh really?

So do you think that maybe the West has given more than a little thought as to the risk of future wars? What have we learned about the nuclear standoffs we have had with the Soviets? We have learned that emotions cloud judgement. That nationalistic fervor can cause "incidents" that bring countries to the brink. (see conflicts between India and Pakistan too). Every new country that adds nuclear capability increases the possibility that these weapons will be used by an exponential factor.

If you trust Iran so much, go live in Iran.

No? Of course not.

Why would you not go live in this Islamic paradise? Because the repressive Mullahs have created a totalitarian regime that people would not migrate to if they had a choice. Yet you think they should have the abillty to throw the world into turmoil? Go live there first, and show us that you trust the mullahs with your wife and children, then let me know if the mullahs are responsible enough with the worlds deadliest weapons. Put your family and loved ones on the line enmass, and let us know of your faith in these radicals.

Do not claim that Iran is worthy of trust while you scratch your skinny Desi butt safely in some Western country.

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Muslim here, Bush is after iran for being linked to islam not with the particular sect.


Good thing is Nijad sent original letter text in persian along with the translation. No inferiority complex mashallah.

i like his tactics.

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Gosh really?

So do you think that maybe the West has given more than a little thought as to the risk of future wars? What have we learned about the nuclear standoffs we have had with the Soviets? We have learned that emotions cloud judgement. That nationalistic fervor can cause "incidents" that bring countries to the brink. (see conflicts between India and Pakistan too). Every new country that adds nuclear capability increases the possibility that these weapons will be used by an exponential factor.
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Do you think the world was not watching and learning too? Do you think you have to flatten a whole city, to know the risks to these bombs? mate they were the only ones stupid enough to use it what makes you think they wont take the same risk again? Infact the gits responsible for dropping the A-bomb still recall the day with pride, obviously they havent learnt a thing.

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If you trust Iran so much, go live in Iran.

No? Of course not.

Why would you not go live in this Islamic paradise? Because the repressive Mullahs have created a totalitarian regime that people would not migrate to if they had a choice. Yet you think they should have the abillty to throw the world into turmoil? Go live there first, and show us that you trust the mullahs with your wife and children, then let me know if the mullahs are responsible enough with the worlds deadliest weapons. Put your family and loved ones on the line enmass, and let us know of your faith in these radicals.

Do not claim that Iran is worthy of trust while you scratch your skinny Desi butt safely in some Western country.
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How many years have you lived in iran with your family? more importantly how many mullahs have you met to make just an assumption? oh the irony.

I personally know people that have migrated there out of choice already from western countries and and continue to do so. They obviously dont percieve the same fear you have from the mullahs. Neither do the iranians live in constant fear, as you would have believe. you have such a backward notion, its unbelievable.

This reminds me of some ignorant americans being surpised when seeing pictures of roads, cars and modern buildings etc in iran. The image they had percieved thanks to the media and thier ignornce, was barren deserts, camels and people living in tents. You seem to be coming from the same mentalilty.

The mistrust, fear and hate, it all comes down to pure ignorance and racism. Hence, like i said, the problem essentially lies with your perception of bearded and turban men rather than the mullahs themsleves.

Thats fine initself cuz as baseless as it is, its your opinon, but you have to recognise the fact that your perception by far is not universal. You cant assume we all have the same perception of the 'western paradise' and an 'iranian regime' as you do. That is as narrow minded as it gets.

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People (or neo-philosophers) who jump on pointing fingers at USA, fail to understand that a country with $trillion budget, a vast industrial base, and a history of overseas expeditions for a long long time, operates at a different level.

Iranian Mullahs do not know their place in this world. Couple this ignorance with Ayatullahtic arrogance, and you got a recipe for bad bad spanking.

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No Ma, my largest perception of Iran is driven by my relationship with my daughters Pediatrician. For 19 years I have known the man, my daughter was one of his first patients, and his daughter was born 2 days after mine.

He escaped Iran on his own at age 16. His father was held for months in detention after he escaped, and to this day he has not been able to return nor has his family been granted visas to travel aborad. He fears that he will be held on charges should he return. His stories have largely shaped my feelings about the mullahs.

Additionally, I was working in govenment while the Iran hostages were being held, which is still in the memory of many Americans old enough to have lived through that time.

What puzzles me is how Iran can disqualify 2500 candidates from voting, essentially derailing the reformist movement and not a single guppy bats an eye. Iran is heavily censored and increasingly repressive, and yet you act as if it were the most lovely administration. Of course we Western folk are concerned about state support for Hezbullah and other terror organizations, but to you they are just brave jihadi resistance fighters who happen to kill Israeli civilians.

It would seem as if you are not concerned at all about the nature of the regime, just as you were not concerned about Saddams genocide. The double standards for Muslims in judging a Muslims regime is staggering. Guppies scream at the top of their lungs that hanging chads threw the election to Bush, but you care nothing about elections in Iran where the Mullahs disqualify everyone who does not agree with them. It is almost as if you expect them to be crooked, repressive and cheat on treaties like the NPT, because, Dang, they are Muslims!

Now, if you don't believe me, at least listen to the Europeans, who on many issues would mirror your thinking (Bush, Iraq, etc). Even they have had it with Iran. The Europeans trust them about as far as they can throw them. And in a fashion similar to Saddam, Russia doesn't count, because they would do business with Satan himself if it meant hard currency.

In general, I do have prejudice against Muslim leadership. My first question when I came to Gupshup is, show me a good example of any Muslim country that is well run, and a beacon of enlightened thinking that is an example for the world to follow. Five years later no one has come up with such a country. And migration to Western countries continues unabated. So until the "facts on the ground" as you all like to say, change a little, my assumption is that there continues to be no Muslim country, including Iran, that is so enlightened that Muslim masses line up for immigration. Therefore, any Guppy critic sitting comfortably in a western country, enjoying the freedom and comforts of the west, while complaining about efforts by the west to make the world safer just sort of gets my panites in a wad. If ya know what I mean.

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Do you trust South Korea? If yes then why don't you go live there? :p This is silly logic if you ask me.

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^^ The point is not one individual decision, it is the collective decisions of many Muslims to go live in the West that is a telling point. I believe that if Islamic rule is so compelling, that good Muslims would be flocking to Iran, particualarly Shia who are persecuted minorities in many countries.

My point is that the Mullahs of Iran have gotten a free pass from Muslims who are exercising the unwritten rule of "never criticize a Brother in public". Muslims as a group expect the West to behave well, and demand it, while they *expect *Muslims leadership to behave badly, and are resigned to that fact.

There are really only three reasons that Muslims are not allarmed by the prospect of the Mullahs of Iran getting Nuclear Weapons. First, they believe that a nuclear confrontation will never effect them. Second, they believe that the more Islamic states that have weapons, the more powerful Islam will become on the world stage. And Three, they relish the idea of Iran aiming a nuclear gun at Israel, naievely believing that this will have some positive effect, and that a nuclear launch could not really result.

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Even after so much racism/discrimination in Gulf/middle eastern states there are huge populations of people from sub-continent.... does it explain why there are people in west as well? Let me know if it doesn't.

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OG, you have the same problem as most of the Americans do. We are innocent, they are guilty until proven innocent. Iran is a suspected state with a nuclear programme and so is Israel and North Korea. Why aren't they been judged? What is so un-threathing about them? I mean why does Israel need a nuclear programme, when it hasn't even sign the NPT treaty? North Korea has been under suspesion for so long...their leader is corrupt and untrusworthy and the whole world knows about their nuclear programme, when is the Bush adminstration going to take a step against it? and why Iran now when in 2002 those sites were disclosed, why did they decide to go to Iraq when there was a substantial evidence against Iran?

You need to put your own views and believes into question, U.S has no support when it comes to Iran. Coalition of willing anyone? The Bush adminstration is playing politics with the world affairs like they always do and you support that...? Their intentions are not sincere and I don't believe what this adminstration says.

I know the problem with Iran and Muslim democracy. I know the election and what took place but, this Bush adminstration can do nothing about it. They can not solve the problem and stop giving this BS about Muslim states, you know dam well why Saddam to these Ayatuallahs were there in the first place and it is all because of U.S. Your corrupt leaders buy other countries leaders for their own purposes. You have nothing to say about that.

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So in that little rant you had North Korea, Israel, Iraq, corrupt Muslim leaders elections, coalition of the willing blah blah blah. How about we elect you to the Iraqi government? They too are unable to focus on any one topic and get anything accomplished.

Last I hear this thread was about Irans' President Nutjob and his goofy letter.

Frankly I think Bush should reply to the letter and politely ream Nutjob an new one. Bush should bring up the years of lying to the IAEA, corrupt elections, jailing political opponents, dealing in black market nuclear supplies, repressive tactics against reformists, mispent money on weapons programs while a huge portion of the young are unemployed etc. Not only would this rub Nutjobs nose in the tactic of letter writing, but it would reclarify that Irans' assurances of a peaceful intent are preceded by years of deception, and it would make great fodder for the Iranian resistance.

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finally some sanity in your replies :)

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Won't work!

Just 24 hours notice, and then bombing starts. Liberation of yet another fanatic state, and finally Nejat (salvation) for Prez. Nejad.

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How many guppies really care if Iran has a nuclear weapon or not? None may be or very very few.

What they feel is

1-Why does a state having the most deadly nuclear weapons, not allow other states to have it, while it continues to threat much smaller and weaker states to use nukes against them.

2- Why does US take the cases of North Korea/Iran differently, the only difference we see is that one is a Muslim state and other is not.

3- Unconditional support of Israel.

4- Nuclear agreement with India while pushing Iran against the wall.

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Since USA is a world/economic/military/financial power and Iran is not.

Because North Korea is not located in a part of the world where it can threaten global oil supplies, does not encourage terrorist groups to attack Israel and the West and is contained by the strong South Korean Military.

I also support Israel.

Since India is an emerging power, it will get treated differently than the nut case that is running Iran.

Making such 3rd grade statements of morality, and philiosophy may give the world a very simplistic picture but the problem is the world is not a simple place and applying such equations to solve global problems will not work.

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Since USA is a world/economic/military/financial power and Iran is not.

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USA wll not be superpower forever, And ts the right of every country to try to be a superpower.

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Because North Korea is not located in a part of the world where it can threaten global oil supplies, does not encourage terrorist groups to attack Israel and the West and is contained by the strong South Korean Military.

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Iran wants to sell its own oil to the world, why wud it threaten global oil supplies.

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U can support ur m****** ******* no one cares

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Since India is an emerging power, it will get treated differently than the nut case that is running Iran.

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So other nations shud leave it to US to decide if they can be emerging powers or not?

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Making such 3rd grade statements of morality, and philiosophy may give the world a very simplistic picture but the problem is the world is not a simple place and applying such equations to solve global problems will not work

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Indeed there is no fairplay in world politics and every country has to run its own defense programs secretly.

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Depends on the status of guppies. If they are the A***store born confused daiseys (ABCD) they strongly support Mullahtic terrorism. This group of guppies is in clear majority.

While a small minority of guppies see Iranian ayatullahs as an incarnation of puritan Islamists just like puritan racist Hitler. Just like Hitler, these puritan Mullahs are hell bent on inviting hell to Iranian people and to the region.

Here is a nice picture of an ABCD.