Ahmadi-Thread

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sabi...
who the Hell are you??
are you a real muslim? than tell me where hazrat Muhammad (saw) told ke dusron ko jo ke khud ko muslim kehta hai use non muslim kaho.
mujhe apse us ka referens chahye madam any hadees? i am dam sure ap aisi koi Hadees pesh nahi kar saktin,Kyoonke Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ne aisa kabhi nahi kaha. To ap shahid Muslim hai hi nahi...!Kyoonke agar ap Muslim hotin to apne pyare nabi ki sunnat pe chaltin aur yahan a kar dusron ko kafir na keh rahi hotin.
Seerat-ul-Nabi ke hawale se mai apko ek wakya batati hun..
AAp Hazrat Muhammad (saw) rozana ekRoad se guzarte jahan ek aurat unpar khirki se dust phainkti thin.aur ek din jab Aap Hazrat Muhammad (saw) wahan se guzre aur us Aurat ne un par dust nahi phainka to ap uske Ghar gaye uska hal puchne,aur apne dekha wo Aurat bemar thi.aur Ahazrat ne use pani pilaya uska hal chal pucha,.us Aurat ne kaha,ke tum us admi ko jante ho jo khud ko nabi kehta hai,to Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ne kaha,wo mai hi hun.aur us Aurat ne ussi waqt un par Imaan liya.

lekin afsos ke ap khud ko muslim to kehtin hain.lekin Muslim hone ki koi Nishani mujhe apke andar nazar nahi ayi...at least ap jo marzi kahain..apke kehne se ya kissi aur ke kehne se kuch nahi hota. Allah bohat hai humare lye.aur humara Allah hamesha humare sath rahega. Akhrat ke din bhi.ab pata nahi ap to islam ki abc bhi nahi janti apko shahid ye bhi na malum ho ke akhrat kya hai...khair Apko Allah Hidayat de (Dua hi ki ja sakti hai ameen)

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Does everyone get a pair of sneakers, a tracksuit..and some sweet tasting punch...who joins?

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After calling himself all of those people, he calls himself an inanimate object. The Kabah. The House of God. He claims the Hjir-e-Aswad kissed his foot (metaphorically speaking). I wonder if he saw lots of things kissing this person who he says claimed to be the black stone?

Perhaps this is the reason he didn't go to Hajj.

Tadhkirah page 57

Translation: (a) In His revelation God has also called me the
House of Allah which indicates that the more my opponents
strive to demolish this House the more treasures of divine
knowledge and heavenly signs will emerge from it. Accordingly
my experience is that with every persecution a new treasure is
disclosed. One of the revelations in this context is (Persian) A
person kissed my foot and I said: I am the Black Stone (Arbayeen
No. IV p. 15 footnote).
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(b) A revelation that came to me about twenty-five years ago
was (Persian): A person kissed my foot and I said I am the Black
Stone1 (Al-Hakam Vol. X No. 37 Oct 24 1906 p. 1).

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and where does he say he is God :chai:

Hareem, have you read these books, not your so called reference, please don’t say No?

Do you even know the Book Rohani Khazain or only the name and the reference?

You quote Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) saying “He neither begets nor was he begotten”. Then you post crap like He calls himself God and he is the son of God, too. What is he now? Contradicting isn’t it? How illiterate you are. You haven’t even read Rohani Khazain, come with your crappy reference and say all is said.

This is no reference. THIS IS PURE CRAP written by some monkey.

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Yes I know Rohani Khizayan on al"islam".org, it's there and you can check, compare and confirm the refs I've given.

"He neither begets nor was he begotten"I didn't quote this from Mirza ghulam I quote from Qur'an chapter 112 as a comparison to Mirza's writings and our belief based on this Surah of qur'an.

You see, mirza called himself son of God and so on but Qur'an tells us a totally different concept.
"He neither begets nor was he begotten"

All the crappy refs are from your mirza's books.....go and check them on alislam.org....check them before calling crap to your own so called prophet and his writings.

It's funny how you're calling Mirza Ghulam Ahmed's writing crap and how You're denying all the references...

I see you're calling mirza ghulam ahmed a monkey..lolz

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nice discussion is going on....

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Hareem, psyah, sabi etc.. Instead of spamming on this thread and writing the whole series of allegations without waiting for a reply, why don't you take up a challenge. I will give you some time to confer among each other. Come up with a list of allegations, and then bring them on, one by one. .No spamming.

Now it is upto you if you want a balanced discussion. One by one..

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Destino, the ONLY people that need time to confer and reply are qadiani's, it's the only thing you guys have mastered in the last 100 years.

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So you saying that MIRZA is NOT saying he’s LIKE God? Even giving these “metaphores” or whatever you guys interpret them as, is SHIRK. Dude, this goes against QURAN!

Surah Ikhlas…last verse.
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And there is none like unto Him. **

So if MIRZA says he was the moon and God was sun and then switches roles by saying now he’s the sun and God the moon, you think this is perfectly alright? even my 7 year old brother can understand this is SHIRK.

Btw, just a little request, why don’t you guys translate this “ROHAANI KHAZAIN” so the whole world can read what this CULT is really about? Stop hiding under the name of Islam. Leave the cult and accept Islam just like many have in the past. Malcolm X, Muhammad Ali are great examples of Muslims who left a cult that had the same characteristics as Qadianism.

Also, if you had an open mind to all this, you wouldn’t of have attributed the sayings of GOD ALMIGHTY to your dead cult leader MIRZA. Next time before embarassing yourself bro, read…!

Lastly I agree with you, Mirza=Monkey, Rohani Khazain=crappy reference. Good stuff..

Imran Khan on Geo's Awam ki Adalat.
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If we give you a list of allegations, you will ask for references, then we will provide all the references and you will reject them by saying " this is not the reference" or "You are misquoting him" or "this is out of context".
And that's been happening in this thread in...6 pages now

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Sunehri: I apologize but my Urdu is not so good.. so do u mind writing all that in English and i would love to reply it :)....

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Why are you so afraid of testing your "references". I will provide ample proof in support of my arguments. I will not spam the thread unlike some other people here. How cowardly to run away like this!

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I want to ask the same question to Numb. :)

My first question is regarding mirza ghulam ahmed Qadyani's quotes about cursing. here they are:

mirza writes;
"Cursing is not the style of a Truthful person. Faithful (M’omin) does not curse."

(Izala-e-Auham p.660)

Yet when you open his book Nur-ul-Haq, volume 8 of Roohani Khazain. From pages 158 - 162, 5 pages, he has cursed his opponent thousand times, LITERALLY, writing CURSE1 CURSE2 CURSE3 and so on, until he literally finishes writing thousand curses.

what should I call him? A liar? A person suffering from amnesia? The unfaithful curser?

There are some more examples of his abusive and foul language;

"The** STUPID and ILLITERATE and EVIL (KAMEENA) NATURED** certain Aryans of Qadian...." (Nuzool-e-Maseeh p.6)

"Wicked-natured Lekhram. Alas! This seed of profanity and obscenity was brought by Dayanand in this country.... Lekhram Peshawari who was absolutely stupid and a boil (Aablaa)." (Cashma-e-Maarifat p.3)

"These** KAMEENA-natured** people were already eager to criticise and on top of that they got hold of some Mischievous and Stupid Christians and Satanic Inclinations instructed them they are all true, thus they also took their share of this Black face and Embarrassment, which is now evident on the faces of Stupid Christian Priests." (Arya dharam. p.47)

  • "Except for the CHILDREN OF PROSTITUTE, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in me and has accepted me.”

(Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)

  • "I have God’s inspiration that 'he who does not follow you and will not enter your Ba’ith and remain your opponent, he is disobedient of God and His Prophet, Hellish."

(Advertisement in M’ayaar-ul-Akhyar by Mirza Ghulam p.8)

And another one:

It is never our way to address our opponents with any kind of harsh words in debates and disagreements or in our writings or to utter heart-breaking words for hi or for his elders....(Shuhna-e-Haq...)

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I never said that Rohani Khazain is a crappy book. Misqoutation is common in the Muslim World :rolleyes: Sorry, but neither did I say that he is a monkey. I called the retarted guy in youtube monkey.

Yesterday, occasionally - when I was reading **Future Of Revelation **- I saw a picture drawn where a monkey was sitting in the front of the computer. Hilarious, and this book has been written 10 + years ago. Hilarious.

And yesterday again, we invited a Non-Ahmadi family for (Aftar) It’s not my business, but I thought they are fasting, too. BUT no one did. I don’t know about the mother, anyway. When we were ready to pray the father and the son didn’t join us. The mother did join my mother and my sister.

Hilarious.

When did he say he is God or he felt like God? And when he did, haven’t you forgotten the Mystics who were so deeply in love with God and then said "I’m God, I feel like God, God has come down to my soul, I have peace now" One Mystic had been stone to death because of that, but illeterate won’t understand, will never.

On the other hand, I have a question? Aren’t humans doing what actually God is supposed to do?

  • Aren’t you people acting as God when you say we are not muslims?

  • Aren’t you people acting as God when you forbid us to say Salam **“Peace be with you”? **

  • Aren’t you people acting as God when you forbid to do Adhan?

  • Aren’t you people acting as God when you forbid to speak the Kalima?

Who are you? God? (NAUZUBILLAH, ASTAGHFARULLAH, ASTAGHFARULLAH)
Are you making the laws or God? Do you have a copyright on the Pillars of Islam?

Anyway, debate with Destino now. I’ll be watching and enjoying, but don’t think I’m done here. I need a break from illeterate people.

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HA. Why don't you first answer his question and bring the reference? You are so tricky. Why don't you just do what Destino asked for? A balanced debate. C'mon. You are so tricky, so damn tricky, running away.

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Very nice…Love for all hatred for none…

I suppose calling others by names you are following sunnah of your false prophet. Well, good for you.

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Have you forgotten the post where YOU hareem called us illeterate? Have you forgotten your brothers calling us monkeys? Haven't you forgotten your Muslims Brothers calling Mirza Sahib LANTI? It is so easy to forget, the own wrongdoing, but it is easy to remember the mistakes of others, right?

Bravo, I suppose sweeping the own wrongdoings under a carpet means following the Sunnah of Muhammad Mustafa (saw). Bravo, this was the only thing you could point out in my entire post. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, don't change the subject.

  • Aren't you people acting as God when you say we are not muslims?

  • Aren't you people acting as God when you forbid us to say Salam *"Peace be with you"? *

  • Aren't you people acting as God when you forbid to do Adhan?

  • Aren't you people acting as God when you forbid to speak the Kalima?

Answer these questions, NOW.

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We don't stop anyone from saying salam, kalima or adhan.

Now answer this:

Aren't you people calling us kafir by calling us non-ahmadi because the only true and rightly guided muslims are ahmadi muslims? and aren't you taking us out from the fold of Islam by calling your Ahmadiyat "the true Islam"?

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Numb, you just ignored my post by saying I am illiterate and asked these nonsense questions.. These are tactics used by cults. ; ) good stuff dude.. keep on ignoring what you preach.

What would you be like...
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Are you really sure?

Not ALL muslims who belong to the Ahmadiyyat are rightly guided. Best example is the youtube video you posted. Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam, no doubt. It is you who want to be taken out of Islam, not us. Don't blame us for that.

Do you know the meaning of Kafir? Kafir means disbeliever, someone who doesn't believe in God and his Prophets. If you don't believe, you don't believe. I believe and I do believe. You are not forced to believe or are you? but I'm not here to call anyone a disbeliever, I'm here to shed some light on the truth.

God says kills the disbeliever. What is meant by killing? Do Tabligh! Tell him the truth, 'kill' the disbelief in the disbeliever. That is meant by killing the disbeliever. God is the creator of this Universe, of this Earth, of this Nature and of human beings. Do you really think God will be pleased when we become the cause of bloodshed? Do we have a right to kill God's creation? It's only his will...

Why are you running away from Destino and start a senseless debate with me Sister? Why don't you just answer/do what he told you to? Please answer this question. Thank You Hareem.

Cricket Miaan, what did you say to me? Forgotten, same like Hareem? Shall I remind you?
And yes, I never meant you when I said illeterate. You are the last one whom I call illeterate!
Can you kindly tell me what I missed? I'm sorry if I have...(these are not senseless questions)