Ahmadi-Thread

Numb · September 8, 2008, 12:38am

I want reference! lol, how will you give me reference if you haven't one...Youtube, right? This monkey, right?

Was there at any time a need to fight the British Army? Do you actually know when the British Empire started to fight

hareem01 · September 8, 2008, 12:40am

Well I did give you the reference you asked for but your computer fell apart

Numb · September 8, 2008, 12:45am

**HINDUISM

****HINDUISM **is a class in itself in the comity of religions. To find in Hindu literature evidence of revelation as understood in traditional Divine religions is a difficult task. This is so, mainly because on the one hand the concept of revelation is wholly confined to the Vedic teaching, while on the other, God is mentioned to have manifested Himself in human form to instruct mankind.

Please stop lying as Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) never claimed he was God! Astaghfirullah. Do you really think I would follow him when he had said this? He ONLY said, that God had given him his attributes.
God gave him his knowledge, his truth and his wisdom.

and now you want to accuse me of something? a true muslim you are. I applaude you! My computer did not fell apart, I had bought a new OS and if you would have strived for knowlege in the computer world and visited the Computer Forum @ GS you would’ve seen my problem with my hdd. What is hdd? What is ram? No, it’s better to accuse.

Princess_Fiona · September 8, 2008, 1:05am

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Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… One question.. Why on earth has any muslim country or a muslim Imam or Mufti or Movli (wateva) not yet considered Ahmadi’s muslim?

Whoever is Ahmadi here.. Please please and Please bring me ONE muslim Imam or Whoever (but non Ahmadi) who says kay Ahmadis are muslim..
Come on After 100 years of Ahmadism.. atleast one muslim country by now should have considered u guys muslim… WHY O WHy.. Now don’t tell me that the whole world’s muslims are bad..

I am not a perfect muslim myself.. But i have good muslims whom i listen to .. and believe me each and everyone i asked have said kay “Ahmadi are not muslim”…

Aside from this issue.. Tell me why Mirza ji was not a haji?.. I think tat time he was quite rich and could easily afford to go and Pray in Allah (swt)'s house or Grave of Muhammad (pbuh)… Come sense wali question hain.. Kio nahi tay Haji woh.. Even though it is one of the pillers of Islam (Now there are exceptions for poor people and Allah (swt) is great forgiver)…

Numb · September 8, 2008, 1:15am

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Hareem:

the reference doesn’t say he was God or felt like one why do you lie?

cricketplaya · September 8, 2008, 4:25am

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Numb, we really do not want to give references to you, it's useless. You will just ignore it.. here it is AGAIN....

from.. "Devine Manifestation" pdf file (alislam), page 4-5, read what Mirza says: "......Then God has called Himself the Moon and named me the sun. This indicates that He will manifest His glorious light through me. He was hidden, but shall now be manifested through me. The world was unaware of His radiance, but now, through me, His awe-inspiring light will spread all over the world."

oh yes before this he says that God was the Sun and I was the moon.. but as we see here in this paragprah, he changed roles, now he's the SUN and God the moon..

May Allah curse this being.

sunehri · September 8, 2008, 8:06am

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@Prinsess Fiona
I am not a perfect muslim myself.. But i have good muslims whom i listen to .. and believe me each and everyone i asked have said kay "Ahmadi are not muslim"...

you know why??
Tell me one thing ye case pas kiya Zia Ul Haq ne aur Bhutto ne..us se pehle ap Ahmadys ko muslim samajhte the..aunhe exept karte the...so yahan se pata chalta hai ap sirf Zia Ul Haq ko aur Bhutto ki kahi bat follow karte ho..aur koi bat nahi hai...
but mai apko yehi kahungi.Kissi bhi Ahamdy -muslim ke lye is bat ki koi ehmiyat nahi hai ke Zia Ul Haq ne kya kaha,Bhutto ne kya kaha. ya pura Pakistan ya other peaples unhe non-muslim kehte hain. Kyoonke Humara Imaan sirf aur sirf Allah par hai.Na hi hum Bhutto ko na hi Zia ul Haq ko jawab deh hain.Humne sirf Allah ko jawab dena hai. aur kissi ko bhi nahi.Aur har ek Muslim ne Jawab Allah ko dena hai.Zia Ul Haq & Bhutto bhi dega.
lekin fact sirf yehi hai.ke 100 years se generation a rahi hai,unke zehnon me bas ye dal diya jata hai ke ahmady are non muslim.islye ap yahan ye bat kar rahe hain.Lekin ye bat karne se pehle aapne apne andhar jhanka?? nahi jhanka hoga na? agar jhank lete to kabhi bhi aisa na kehte,agar ap ek sache muslim hain.,to apke Dil me Allah ka Darr a jata,aur ap Kissi bhi Mazhab ke bare me (jo ke khud ko Muslim qarar deta hai)aise na kehte. Akhrat ke Din Allah apse ye sawal zaroor karega,ke Tum kaun hote ho mere kissi bnande ko non muslim kehne wale.
apko hadeeson ke hawale se bhi yehi keh sakti hun,ke mujhe is waqt puri Hadees yad nahi,lekin ek banda Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ke pas aya aur usne kaha,ke Allah us ko kabhi maf nahi karega. To Hazrat Muhammad (saw) ne farmaya :, ke falan kaun hota hai ye kehne wala,ke Allah use maf nahi karega. Allah ne use maf kar diya hai.
is Hadees se agar insan sikhna chahye to yehi sikh le,ke kissi ke bare me koi bhi bat karne wale hum aam insan koi Haissiyat nahi rakhte.Ye sab Allah ke kam hain aur Allah ne jisse chahe ga maf karega ..Allah kissi naik namazdar ko bhi dozakh me dal sakta hai,agar Allah ko uski koi bat buri lage to .uski sari naikiyan bekar ho sakti hain.aur issi tarah ek gunehgar se gunehgar insan ko Allah uski ek khubi ke bina par Jannat me jaga de sakta hai.

if u can show me here any replay of an ahmady muslim ..who said that..those peaples are non muslim?? .....

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:35am

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sunehri - you’ve just nothing to refer - yeh Ikhlaakhiyaat na sikhaayen aap yahan atleast, yahan aap k Mirza sahab Allah Taala kehtay hain khud ko, Huzoor SAW say ziaada kehtay hain apnay aap ko aur tum kehti ho tum muslim ho! You’re non-muslim. You people don’t believe in Aakhirat and your mirza claims to be Imam Mehdi [nauzubillah] and then Hazrat Isa [AS] Nauzubillah!
if you want to see the truth about your Mirza Sahab, go to this website AboutAhmadiyya.com - Website About Ahmadiyya Movement. aur agar translate na kar sako urdu mein to bata dena. Muslims will help you translate that website in urdu. Alright?
Have the courage to hear the truth and differentiate between right and wrong.

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:36am

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Prophet Muhammad said:
*"In My Ummah, there shall be born Thirty Grand Liars (Dajjals), each of whom will claim to be a prophet, But I am the Last Prophet; there is No Prophet after Me."
*(Abu Dawood Vol 2 p. 228; Tirmidhi Vol 2 p.45)

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:42am

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Mirza qadiyani was one of those thirty liars who claims for prophecy. Understand! that's not what me or any muslim say but our Holy Prophet Muhammad [Sallalahu Alaihi Wasallam] said. and any muslim isn't supposed to hear any ordinary human saying "main hun tumhaara nabi - aur Muhammad sallalahu alaihi wasallam per to nabi honay ki sirf "seal" lagi thi. WHAT RUBBISH! not just "zia-ul-haq" declared you all as non-muslims but all the ulemas of the world did.

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:44am

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There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus. He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognise him: a man of medium height, bronze skin, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
Abu Hurayrah (RA)

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:44am

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In the Holy Quran it's mentioned:
There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in him before he dies; and on the Day of Resurrection he [Jesus] will be a witness against them.
( Surah An-Nisa', 4:159 )

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:48am

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Claim to being Superior to Muhammad(SAW)
"The various accomplishments which were bestowed upon all other Prophets were concentrated in a greater degree in the holy prophet. All those accomplishments have been conferred on me through the holy Prophet by means of the shadow system. That is why I bear the name of Adam, Ibrahim, Moses, Noah, Daud, Yousuf, Solaiman, Yahya, Jesus, etc. All the previous Prophets were incarnations of special attributes of the holy Prophet(SAW), but I am a reincarnation of all these special attributes of the holy Prophet.
(Malfoozat, Vol. 3, P. 270, Rabwah)
"And Allah sent down upon me the bounty of the holy Prophet and made it perfect; and he drew towards me the kindness and generosity of the merciful Prophet, so that I became one with him. Thus, he who joins my group, joins the group of the companions (Sahaba) of my Leader, the best of messengers. It is not hidden from those who have the ability to think that this is what the words "Akhareen Menhom" (others of them) mean. The person who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me."
(Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 258-259; Khutba-e-Ilhamiah, P. 171)
"Many Thrones descended from the heaven but thy throne has been placed the highest."
(Tadhkirah, P. 346/643, Second Edition - Mirza's "Revelation"; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 89)
"One who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran and is among the zalemeen (gone astray). The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand (13th century in Mirza Ghulam), i.e. these days, is much stronger, more complete and stronger than in those early years. Nay, it is like the fourteenth (moonlit) night (full moon)."
(Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 271-272; Khutbah-e-Ilhamiah, P. 181)
"For the holy Prophet, God showed only the sign of Eclipse of Moon; But for me he has shown the sign of Eclipse of both Moon and Sun (solar eclipse), thus will you disbelieve me. If his Kalaam (words) were a miracle, a sign, my Kalaam is also a miracle."
(Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol.19, P.183; Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, P. 71/79)
"And say, O People, I have come as a Prophet of Allah towards you all."
(Tadhkirah, P. 352, Fourth Edition, Mirza Ghulam's "revelations")
"It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(SAW)."
(Al-Fadl, July 17, 1922, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)
"[It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles...] My Miracles exceed one million in number."
(Tadhkirah tul Shahadatain, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 20, P. 43)
"And Islam started like the crescent which was destined ultimately to become in the later ages the full moon (of the 14th night of the month), by the command of God. Thus, Allah's Wisdom willed that Islam should assume the form of the full moon in that century which should resemble the full moon by way of counting (i.e. in the 14th century)."
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 275; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 184/93)
"The spiritual achievement of our holy prophet(SAW) took place during the 5th thousand (the Mekkan mission) with its brief attributes and that period was not the end of this spiritual achievement.** It was rather the first step to the highest pinnacle of its perfection.** Thereafter, this spiritual achievement manifested itself in its full glamour during the 6th thousand (the time of Mirza Ghulam)."
(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 266; Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P. 177)
"It is worth remembering here that the Khutba-e-Ilhamiah (the inspired Address) is that Address which was conferred upon the Promised Messiah by God in the form of a miracle, as its name indicates. So this book should not be taken as an ordinary book, because every sentence of it has the characteristic of divine inspiration. Then, at Page 171 of this very book, hazrate aqdas (Mirza Ghulam) says:
[INDENT]'He who makes a difference between me and the Mustafa has neither seen me nor recognized me.' Similarly it is written at page 181, 'He who denies that the mission of the Prophet(SAW) is related to the 6th thousand (13th century) as it was related to the 5th thousand (6th century), denies the truth and the text of the Quran. The truth is that the spiritual power of the holy Prophet(SAW) at the end of the 6th thousand, i.e. these days, is much stronger, more complete and stronger than in those early years'. It is clear from these references that the Promised Messiah was not a man of ordinary status. But, among the Ummah of Muhammad, in consideration of his rank, he surpassed all' (including hazrat Muhammad)."
(Kalimat-ul-Fasl, P. 130-131; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)
"O dear ones, Our Imam in this world is Ghulam Ahmad in the "Darul Amaan" (house of security, Qadian).
Ghulam Ahmad is the Throne (Arsh) of the Great Lord (Rabbe Akbar).
This is as if his rest-house is situated in a place which knows no bounds (La Makan).
Ghulam Ahmad is the true Messenger of Allah (Rasul Allah).
He has been elevated with honor among mankind and Jinn.
Muhammad has been reincarnated among us; enhanced is he in his dignity and rank.
*O Akmal, it anyone longs to see Muhammad, he should see Ghulam Ahmad in Qadian."
*(Al-Badr, Vol. 2, No. 25, October 25, 1906; reprint in Paigham-us-Sulh, March 14, 1916)
"The Mental development of the holy Messiah (Mirza of Qadian) was higher than that of the holy Prophet(SAW) ... This is only a part of the superiority which the Promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam) had over the holy Prophet(SAW). *The mental faculties of the holy Prophet could not be manifested fully, although the capacity existed, owing to the deficient civilization of the time. They have now manifested themselves in their full form through the Promised Messiah, by force of the advancement of civilization."
*(Review of Religions, May 1929; Qadiani Religion, P. 266/241; 9th Edition Lahore)
[/INDENT]This is indicative of the true unIslamic beliefs of Qadianism. In Islam, believing that one can reach and surpass the holy Prophet of Allah(SAW), the greatest of believers and prophets, amounts to disbelief. In the Holy Quran, we are even told:
O you who believe! Do not put yourself ahead of Allah and His Messenger; But fear Allah: for Allah is He Who hears and knows all things.
O you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet, nor speak aloud to him in talk, as you may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and you perceive not.
(Holy Quran, Al-Hujurat, 49:1-2)
What of the people who believe they can surpass the holy Prophet(SAW) in the matter of faith? What of the people who believe Islam was somehow imperfect at the time of the Holy Prophet(SAW) and needed Mirza's "revelations" to become an improved faith?! Haven't they abandoned Islam by denying the following verse of the Holy Quran?
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favor upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
(The Holy Quran, Al-Maidah 5:3)

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:50am

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When the Hypocrites come to thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed the Messenger of Allah." Yea, Allah knoweth that thou art indeed His Messenger, and Allah beareth witness that the Hypocrites are indeed liars.
(The Holy Quran, Al-Munafiqoon, 63:1)

sabi_13 · September 8, 2008, 8:55am

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Let's see why he is not Mahdi either, according to Prophet's teachings these are the signs of Mahdi, let's analyze why these signs do not fit Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

Mahdi is a descendent of the prophet Muhammad, from the offspring of Muhammad's daughter, Fatimah - Mirza Ghulam is not a descendent of prophet Muhammd. His family is descended from the Barlas tribe of the Moghul family. His ancestors had long resided In Khurasan, a province of Persia, and were the dignitaries of the land.
Mahdi will be born in Medina, Saudi Arabia - Mirza Ghulam was born in Qadian Punjab in India.
Mahdi's father's name will be Abdullah - Ghulam Ahmad's father's name was Mirza Ghulam Murtaza.
Mahdi will emerge during the Last Days of the world from Mecca - Mirza Ghulam emerged from India during a normal time and had died even before the major signs of Last Day.
Mahdi and Jesus are two different individuals - Mirza Ghulam claims he is both of them, he claims he is the Mahdi and Jesus at the same time.
Mahdi will establishe justice, peace and truth throughout the world by establishing Islam as the global religion - Mirza Ghulam could not even establish these things in the small part of India let alone the whole world, instead of uniting muslims he has actually devided them by introducing a deviant sect called Ahmadiyya.
Mahdi will not claim that he is Mahdi, his personality would be known to Muslims by itself - However Mirza Ghulam has consistently pushed his claim to muslims that he was Mahdi.

Ahmadis open up your eyes, and question your own selves. Can't you see these facts? or now you're gona debate about Quran saying wrong Nauzubillah ] or the Hadiths are wrong [Astaghfirullah] How can someone blindly follow a religion and believe that there's a messenger from Allah to come after Muhammad SAW? and How can that mirza call himself a sun and Allah SWT moon? [Astaghfirullahal lazi la ilaha illa huwal hayyul qayyumu wa-atuubu ilayh.]

May Allah SWT guide all of you to the right path soon. - Ameen Sumaameen!

psyah · September 8, 2008, 12:40pm

Peace Numb

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/295753-ahmadi-thread-4.html#post6031506

In this post by Allah Dita … he has provided a clear statement of Mirza Ghulam saying that “He believed he was God”

How can someone ‘believe’ he is God? Did he feel like a God should feel like? Does he have any idea of what being God should be like?

… In truth none can know this … To believe you are something, is the same as feeling like that something.

hareem01 · September 8, 2008, 1:03pm

“My lady, that mother of Aziz Muzaffer Ahmad, narrated to me that Hazrat Maseeh Mowood usually used warm water for to clean himself in the toilet and did not use cold water. One day he asked some maid to keep LOTA in the toilet. By mistake she kept a LOTA of hot water(!!!) After finishing when Hazrat Maseeh Mowood came out, he asked who had kept this LOTA. When he was informed that a certain maid had kept it, he called her and asked her to stretch her hand and then he poured all the remaining (HOT) water on her hands, so that she will realize that such hot water cannot be used for cleaning (the pakhana - faeces). He did not say anything else to her.”

*(Seerat-ul-Mahdi, part 3, p.243, narration 847,*by Mirza Basheer Ahmad s/o Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani.)
**
Mirza Ghulam A. Qadiani, the founder of Ahmadiyya Movement, the self proclaimed Messiah and Mahdi, boasted of excellent conduct and claimed to be a perfect replica of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW. He even went to the extent of claiming that the verse ‘Wa maa arsalnaaka illa Rehmatal lil aalameen’ had been revealed glorifying Mirza.

Is this the character of a PROPHET, a person who claims that God has told him that he is the mercy for all mankind?

Mirza announced:
“Cursing is not the style of a Truthful person. Faithful (M’omin) does not curse.”

(Izala-e-Auham p.660)
Yet when you open his book Nur-ul-Haq, volume 8 of Roohani Khazain. From pages 158 - 162, 5 pages, he has cursed his opponent thousand times, LITERALLY, writing CURSE1 CURSE2 CURSE3 and so on, until he literally finishes writing thousand curses.

ANTI AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT IN ISLAM HOMEPAGE

hareem01 · September 8, 2008, 1:12pm

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for Numb

more crap from mirza ghulam ahmed with references

Allah Al-Mighty, according to Islamic belief, is the Creator of Universe, and everything in it, Omnipotent, Ruler and Owner of all that is there in the Universe and beyond. He is the One and Only. He is the Light of the Heaven and Earth. He is Merciful. He is Majestic. He is All-Knowledgable. He is Eternal. He is The Lord of All the worlds, the Owner of the Day of Judgment. He is above all kinds of failings, weaknesses and faults. Neither slumber nor sleep overtake Him. He neither begets, nor was he begotten. And there is none comparable to Him. He had sent His Messengers and Prophets (Peace and Blessings be upon Them), had sent Revelations to them to guide the mankind on the right path. The Final Messenger in the long line of Prophets was Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him), who brought the Final Message in the form of Holy Quran to guide His creations till the Day of Judgment.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, the founder of Ahmadiyya Movement, had however a very strange notion of God. Although he claimed to be a Muslim, yet his concept of God was not what is found in Islam, to the extent that one wonders whether it was God who is sending these revelations or satan. God is like Leopard

"Qayyoom-ul-Alameen (Qayyoom is one of the attributes of Allah), is such hugh body, who has uncountable hands and feet and every limb is in such abundance that it cannot be counted, and has endless width and length and like a Leopard, this hugh body also has wires which is extending to all corners of the earth." (Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.90)
God Praises Mirza

Yet another revelation, God tells Mirza: " Arabic: NaHmadoka - I praise you." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 97)This is something which Allah has not done even for Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW!!!
God has come down for Mirza

And yet another one: "I have come down for you." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 97)God will descend in Qadian

"Once I had this inspiration that God will descend in Qadian, according to his promise." (Tadhkirah, Collection of Inspirations p.452, 2nd Edition)True God

"True God is the same God who has sent His Messenger in Qadian." (Dafa AlBala, Roohani Khazain vol. 18 p.231)This means that if Mirza is a true Prophet then the God who has sent him in Qadian is a true God, but since Mirza is a false claimant, then the so-called 'God' who is sending all these revelations, and on whose basis Mirza is claiming to be a Prophet, is not a True God, but Satan!!! In the following section it becomes more and more obvious that the this so-called God, was actually Satan who was communicating with Mirza, taking him deeper and deeper into the hell fire with him.
God's Tongue has some sickness

Quran and Hadith confirm that with the advent of Holy Prophet Muhammad SAAW, Prophethood and therefore Revelation has to come to end. Mirza however claimed that he is a Prophet and recipient of revelation from God. Among many other arguments that he put forward to justify his claims, he offered this cheap and slip-shod argument:
"Can any intelligent person accept this that in this age God listens but does not say anything. Now after this, the question will arise that why doesn't He speak? Has He developed some sickness on His tongue." (Zamima Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya Part 5, Roohani Khazain vol. 21 p.312)God will come like a thief

Another example of a third-rate description of Allah's Attributes, this seems to be quite characteristic of Mirza Ghulam.
"That God, under whose possession is every particle, where can a person run away from Him. He says that like a thief I will come secretly." (Tajilliyat-e-Illahiyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 20, p. 396)God admits making mistakes

In one of His revelations to Mirza Ghulam, God admits that He make mistakes.
"(Arabic) Akhtee wa Aseeb - (translation: I will also make mistakes and will make it right)" (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 106)The Mirza goes on to explain this revelation in his own words:
"The apparent meaning of revelation of God is that I will also make mistakes and sometimes I will make it right. That is, what I will, sometimes I will fulfill it and sometimes I won't." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 106, footnote)God will fast and break the fast

In another revelation God informs Mirza: "I will break the fast and I will also fast." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 107)Heavens and Earth are with Mirza

"Earth and Heaven are with you as it is with me." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.78)Quran is the talk of Mirza's mouth

"Quran is God's book and the talk of my mouth." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.87)Mirza is the throne of God

Another revelation informs Mirza:
"You are from me like my Throne." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.89)Mirza is God

"I saw in one of my vision that I myself am God and believed that I am Him." (Kitab-ul-Bariayh, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p.103)God entered Mirza's body

"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p. 104-105)God converts Mirza into a woman

"Like Maryam the soul of Eisa was breathed into me and metaphorically I was made pregnant, and after many months, which were not more than 10 months, through that inspiration which is mentioned in the end of Braheen Ahmadiyya part 4 page 556, I was converted from Maryam to Eisa, thus this is how I became Eisa Ibne Maryam." (Kishtee-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p. 50)So from Mirza Ibne Chiraagh Bibi, Mirza becomes Maryam, becomes pregnant and 10 months later, deliver himself as Jesus, and then claims that he is Eisa Ibne Maryam, the Promised Messiah. What is he? TWO in ONE!!!!
Menstruation of Mirza and The Child of Allah

In one revelation, Mirza's god informs him:
"Babu Ilahi Bukhsh wants to see your menstruation or get information on some filth and impurity but God will show you his rewards, which will continue, and in you there is no menstruation but that child is developing, such a child who is like the Child of Allah." (Tatumma Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.581)So Mirza becomes pregnant once again!!!
Wife of God - Mirza's God (satan) performs intercourse with him

"On one occasion Hazrat Maseeh Mowood expressed his this condition that state of revelation came upon in such a way that as if he is woman and God has expressed His Power of Virility in him (i.e. performed intercourse), for those who can understand hint is enough." (Islami Qurbani Tract No. 34 By Qazi Yar Mohammed Qadiani)Astaghfirullah, Ma'azAllah. Since the advent of mankind, no one, I repeat no one, has ever expressed such a rotten accusation against Allah, not even false claimants. And what kind of God would repeatedly convert his prophet into a woman. Therefore this so-called 'god' has to be satan!!!
Mirza, the son of god

"You are from me, like my own son..... Since in this age, stupid Christians had made Jesus God, therefore Divine expedience wanted that more forceful words are used for this humble self so that the eyes of Christians open and they understand that those words with which they make Jesus as God, there is one in this Ummah also for whom more forceful words of such kinds have been used." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p. 89 + footnote)Mirza as the Unity of God

"You are from me as my UNITY and INDIVIDUALITY." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.89)God coming down as the son of Mirza

Another revelation informs Mirza:
"We give you the glad tidings of a son, with which the Haq will be manifested, as if God has descended from Earth." (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.99)

hareem01 · September 8, 2008, 1:27pm

more from mirza ghulam ahmed

"I saw in my dream that I am exactly God and I believed that I am God, neither my intention remained nor any danger ...... in this capacity (when I was God) I said: We want a new system, new heavens, new earth. Thus I initially created heaven and earth in a condensed form in which there was neither any differentiation nor any arrangement. Then I separated them and arranged them ... and at that moment I found myself capable of doing that. Then I created the first sky and said: 'Inna zaiyanna assamaa addunya be masaabeeha' (We have adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps 67.5). Then I said: We will create human with a potion of clay. Thus I made Adam and I created Adam on the best shape and in this manner I became KHALIQ - Creator." (Aina-e-Kamalaat-e-Islam P.564-565; Roohani Khazain Vol.5 Pp.564-565)

"Antaa minnee ba manzilat waladee - You are from me like my son" (Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi P.86, Roohani Khazain Vol.22 P.89)
"Anta minnee ba manzila awlaadee - you are from me like my sons." (AlBushra Vol.2 P.65)

"I saw in my dream that I am in the Court of God waiting for my case, then I hear: O Mirza! Be patient, We will soon be free. Then once I saw that I went into the court, God is sitting in the chair in the form of a Ruler and on one side there is a clerk who is presenting him with some documents. Ruler picked up the document and said: Is Mirza present? Then I saw closely that beside him there is a vacant chair and He asked me to sit on it and He has the documents in his hands. Then I woke up." (AlBadr Vol.2 No.6 1903; Mukashifaat P.28-29.

Surah 112. Al-Ikhlas

1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4. *And there is none like unto Him. *

hareem01 · September 8, 2008, 1:58pm

jang e muqaddas was between mirza and a christian, right?

and about Other two or three debates in dehli ...mirza attended those on this condition that they will only talk about Jesus death and not about his own claims.
mirza said he will only talk about his claims if they let him prove jesus death, weird.