what kalima?
"There is none worthy of worship except Allah & Muhammad is the Messenger of God"
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Re: Ahmadi-Thread
Since (except ahmadis) u folks say/claim that Hazrat Issa ibn-e-Maryam will descend from Heaven to Kill the swine and break the cross
I guess u all agree that he was a Prophet from Allah SWT sent to the Isrealiites.
How does ur claim stand if u claim that no Prophet is to come after the Holy prophet Muhammad SAW but still claim that Hazrat Issa who himself was a Prophet will come AFTER the Holy Prophet Mohammad SAW has died?
Or is no more a Prophet (Na'auzbillah) ?
Please also include a Qur'anic reference (no Hadith) which proves without doubt that Hazrat is alive in the eavens waiting for order from Allah SWT to descend. Please tell me simply the Ayat/Surah coz the Translation/interpretation often deviate a bit so i'll ask someone who has deep Knowledge of Arabic language of that repective Time to explain the reference u might put forward here.
Jazak'Allah
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Okay, I've looked through in almost all the books by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed on al"islam".org and I conclude that he has in his writings somewhere twisted some ahadith, somewhere he has added few things in ahadith and riwaya. He came with nothing special, nothing new that we (Muslims) didn't know before him.
There are lots of contradictions in his writings for example he says after his coming there will be no jihad and there will be peace. When Mirza was around there was even more bloodshed and after his death wars and bloodshed even increased so where is the peace?
Ahmedis would say "there would be more masih moud or mahdis and at last the war will end and there will be peace" but this is absurd.
According to Mirza the ayah for Jihad cannot apply anymore and this is in his book called "British Government and Jihad". Mirza has praised British Government heavily in different books and he hasn't said anything about muslims being killed by Britishers. I can't imagine a "prophet" praising a non muslim oppressive regime at all let alone excessively.
On the other hand he has slandered and bad mothed against the Ulema(scholars) of Islam. He never shown appearance in public for a debate, he has written most of his books to justify his prophethood/masihood/mahdihood.
Mirza ghulam Ahmed's uniqueness is only in writing his own books and then publishing them. I can't believe someone can believe in a person who said " he was God or felt like God" and then claim to be a muslim.
I strongly believe that he was one of the thirty lesser dajjals.
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For those who don't know, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claimed to be
Imam mahdi
Isa (AS) ibn maryam
Maryam (AS) (Mother of Jesus)
A prophet
Dhulqurnain/Cyrus the Persian
Ahmed/Muhammad (SAW)
and
God.
There's probably more but I haven't read everything yet.
Okay, I've looked through in almost all the books by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed on al"islam".org and I conclude that he has in his writings somewhere twisted some ahadith, somewhere he has added few things in ahadith and riwaya. He came with nothing special, nothing new that we (Muslims) didn't know before him.
There are lots of contradictions in his writings for example he says after his coming there will be no jihad and there will be peace. When Mirza was around there was even more bloodshed and after his death wars and bloodshed even increased so where is the peace?
Ahmedis would say "there would be more masih moud or mahdis and at last the war will end and there will be peace" but this is absurd.
According to Mirza the ayah for Jihad cannot apply anymore and this is in his book called "British Government and Jihad". Mirza has praised British Government heavily in different books and he hasn't said anything about muslims being killed by Britishers. I can't imagine a "prophet" praising a non muslim oppressive regime at all let alone excessively.
On the other hand he has slandered and bad mothed against the Ulema(scholars) of Islam. He never shown appearance in public for a debate, he has written most of his books to justify his prophethood/masihood/mahdihood.
Mirza ghulam Ahmed's uniqueness is only in writing his own books and then publishing them. I can't believe someone can believe in a person who said " he was God or felt like God" and then claim to be a muslim.
I strongly believe that he was one of the thirty lesser dajjals.
You are lying! You have not read or looked through most of the books on alislam. It is because you still believe " He never shown appearance in public for a debate".. What was Jang e muqaddas about? What were all the debates in Delhi all about?
For those who don't know, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claimed to be
Imam mahdi
Isa (AS) ibn maryam
Maryam (AS) (Mother of Jesus)
A prophet
Dhulqurnain/Cyrus the Persian
Ahmed/Muhammad (SAW)
and
God.
There's probably more but I haven't read everything yet.
Krishna.
computer nay bhi abhi kharab hona tha....bad timing or should I say great timing?:D Anyway, reference is there and you can see it clearly.
Why great timing? Abbi to yeh Topic sahi shuru hoi gaa :D
I had time to read a wonderful book, now I have the answers I needed to shut you all down. Let me once again format my computer ( I had to wait for the access-data, got me mad :D, computer is fixed temporarily, wanted to see how the new OS is, a few problems occured, lekin yeh Allah T'Allah ka kamal hai, first seek knowledge and then open your mouth > great timing, I hope that by Tuesday I have fixed everything)
You call this reference? HAHAHAHA. I have a great time this Ramazan. The previous Ramazan were so depressing, but this one is great. Thanks for the laugh. We live in the modern times and now every monkey > this guy on youtube < thinks that he can sit infront of the computer, search for a book, use his metric knowledge of Islam and talk nonsense on net. HAHAHAHA.
Okay, I've looked through in almost all the books by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed on al"islam".org and I conclude that he has in his writings somewhere twisted some ahadith, somewhere he has added few things in ahadith and riwaya. He came with nothing special, nothing new that we (Muslims) didn't know before him.
There are lots of contradictions in his writings for example he says after his coming there will be no jihad and there will be peace. When Mirza was around there was even more bloodshed and after his death wars and bloodshed even increased so where is the peace?
Ahmedis would say "there would be more masih moud or mahdis and at last the war will end and there will be peace" but this is absurd.
According to Mirza the ayah for Jihad cannot apply anymore and this is in his book called "British Government and Jihad". Mirza has praised British Government heavily in different books and he hasn't said anything about muslims being killed by Britishers. I can't imagine a "prophet" praising a non muslim oppressive regime at all let alone excessively.
On the other hand he has slandered and bad mothed against the Ulema(scholars) of Islam. He never shown appearance in public for a debate, he has written most of his books to justify his prophethood/masihood/mahdihood.
Mirza ghulam Ahmed's uniqueness is only in writing his own books and then publishing them. I can't believe someone can believe in a person who said " he was God or felt like God" and then claim to be a muslim.
I strongly believe that he was one of the thirty lesser dajjals.
**This setence alone proofs you know nothing, but lies. Even in the month of Ramazan you don
t refrain from lying.
Mods, please don't close this Thread. I'm amused by the level of thinking of these people. I had Hareem01 shut down with the Muhammdi Begum incindent - she didn't even ask anything about this incident - and now she and other people are coming with different stories.
Why did the Britishers kill these people? Inkalaab Zindabad, Inkalaab Zindabad > this is the reason because these so called Muslims tried to defend themselves with a war. What did Muhammad (saw) do when he was forced to leave Mekka? Did he fight? Did he tell his people to swear, lose their temper and fight?
How could the people defend themselves anyway? The British Empire was by far better in organization, millitary, army power etc. What could you have done? You would've lost badly and now we would have a world filled with kafirs. Out ouf 437, 000 Hindus and Muslims, 91, 000 people had been converted to Christianisty due to the 'great work' of the Christian Missionaries. What did you do? You muslims? You were sitting there drinking tonice wine, smoking opium and accused the reformer to be a liar? Shame on you...
He praised them heavily because even though they had India in their hands they gave them the choice to live their beliefs, religion freely.
Do you know when Muhammad (saw) when he came back from a battle what he said? I think you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW. He said: "Now let us practise the real Jihad".
I'm done.
I got more to say, but wait...just wait...
**
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lol Numb, you writing in red will not make any difference, also practice what you preach, calling insaan monkeys.... im sure you learn this from Mirza?
you talk about what you Muslims could of done? u don't remember the battles that the Prophet fought? where the Kuffar outnumbered the Muslims and yet with the help of Allah they were victorious. if you dont think it can happen in present times, you are mistaken.
all i have to say is for the one who wish to see what Qadianism is truely about, just look at the works of this Mirza character, the way he says he "felt like God"
i got no more to say, don't wait...don't wait...
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hehehehe....you make me laugh. Even the Qur'an is using the words monkey, pig etc. to describe the state of [jews, christians and muslims] of human beings. Is he a insaan? Abusing his wife?That's truly the deed of a human being.
When did he claim he is God? Just wait and then you will see how this moneky came to the Idea of using the Hindu belief and the Hindu "Vision" on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS). This Book exists no where. It is A LIE. A FRAUD. I will destroy his claim with knowledge, I will destroy his lies with knowledge.
Qur'an says: Only speak with wisdom and knowledge.
I may have no wisdom yet, but thru knowledge I'm gaining some. What a blessing. Allah is Wise, Allah is knowledge, Allah is the truth.
I don't need you to wait, you will come by yourself.
When did our Prophet (saw) fight? Do you know that? When the lives of old people, women and childrens were threatened, but what do you know? You only follow biased opinions and then come here and post crap videos of monkeys. I'm sorry to say this but look at his expression when this guy say "What, and this man claims to be a Mahdi?"...look how frustrated he is. Something went terribly wrong in his life and he is blaming others for that? How lame.
I'm here not to fight with you brother, it's the time of the Knowledge & the Wisdom. Not the time of the sword. Islam only used "violence" to answer VIOLENCE.
Peace Brother!
You are lying! You have not read or looked through most of the books on alislam. It is because you still believe " He never shown appearance in public for a debate".. What was Jang e muqaddas about? What were all the debates in Delhi all about?
Perhaps I have missed those parts, can you please give me the names of those boks and chapters so I can read them?
This setence alone proofs you know nothing, but lies. Even in the month of Ramazan you don t refrain from lying.
*Mods, please don't close this Thread. I'm amused by the level of thinking of these people. I had Hareem01 shut down with the Muhammdi Begum incindent - she didn't even ask anything about this incident - and now she and other people are coming with different stories. *
*Why did the Britishers kill these people? Inkalaab Zindabad, Inkalaab Zindabad > this is the reason because these so called Muslims tried to defend themselves with a war. What did Muhammad (saw) do when he was forced to leave Mekka? Did he fight? Did he tell his people to swear, lose their temper and fight? *
How could the people defend themselves anyway? The British Empire was by far better in organization, millitary, army power etc. What could you have done? You would've lost badly and now we would have a world filled with kafirs. Out ouf 437, 000 Hindus and Muslims, 91, 000 people had been converted to Christianisty due to the 'great work' of the Christian Missionaries. What did you do? You muslims? You were sitting there drinking tonice wine, smoking opium and accused the reformer to be a liar? Shame on you...
*He praised them heavily because even though they had India in their hands they gave them the choice to live their beliefs, religion freely. *
*Do you know when Muhammad (saw) when he came back from a battle what he said? I think you don't know. YOU DON'T KNOW. He said: "Now let us practise the real Jihad". *
*I'm done. *
I got more to say, but wait...just wait...
Why great timing? Abbi to yeh Topic sahi shuru hoi gaa :D
I had time to read a wonderful book, now I have the answers I needed to shut you all down. Let me once again format my computer ( I had to wait for the access-data, got me mad :D, computer is fixed temporarily, wanted to see how the new OS is, a few problems occured, lekin yeh Allah T'Allah ka kamal hai, first seek knowledge and then open your mouth > great timing, I hope that by Tuesday I have fixed everything)
You call this reference? HAHAHAHA. I have a great time this Ramazan. The previous Ramazan were so depressing, but this one is great. Thanks for the laugh. We live in the modern times and now every monkey > this guy on youtube < thinks that he can sit infront of the computer, search for a book, use his metric knowledge of Islam and talk nonsense on net. HAHAHAHA.
My intention wasn't to offend you or to other ahmedi brothers, I just wrote honestly what I felt after reading mirza's writings.
You told me that you've read all of mirza's books except one, have you read the full Qur'an (with translation) and any book of hadith? If you haven't then please do so and compare Mirza sahib's writings.
Perhaps I have missed those parts, can you please give me the names of those boks and chapters so I can read them?
When you have missed those parts, why do you speak then? Not a sign of wisdom and knowledge. Think about it Sister, we are here to understand, not to attack :)
We have claims, you have claims. We can hear both sides. This is the Islam I came to know :)
I have read the whole Qur'an. Otherwise I wouldn't talk.
What a noble book. Allah is a Philosoph, A Poet. Allah is Allah. He knew what he planned when he created mankind, sadly we don't understand him, don't apply his attributes. It's a bit of truth. No, it's the truth.
I wish you could've seen the Dars-ul-Quran by the late Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (May Allah be pleased with him). He said so beautiful things about Islam, the Judaism, about Christianity. Do you know why Allah says that Islam is the only Religion, while he still says that Judaism and Christianity are his Religions, too? He says that, isn't it? The Qur'an says that, right?
I will tell you why...
When you have missed those parts, why do you speak then? Not a sign of wisdom and knowledge. Think about it Sister, we are here to understand, not to attack :)
We have claims, you have claims. We can hear both sides. This is the Islam I came to know :)
No arguments. Links please, brother. :)
^
When did our Prophet (saw) fight? Do you know that? When the lives of old people, women and childrens were threatened, but what do you know?
So it is okay to fight when ones house, women or children are in danger? If yes then why did Mirza want to abolish Jihad?
So it is okay to fight when ones house, women or children are in danger? If yes then why did Mirza want to abolish Jihad?
Hahahahaha. Only one house was in danger at the time of our Prophet (saw).
You joker. You make me laugh. Sorry Sister, are you illiterate when I say "when the lives"? Is it singular or plural? Does it mean one or many?
Seems to me that I can throw my knowledge away and follow yours. lol, you will get the reference. Wait, be patient. Sabbar ka pall Meetha hota hai. And this answer will only be for you. I hope you like it.
Where are my arguments? In a nice manner I tell you that we can hear both sides. You come and jump at me, reference? Step by Step! Seek the truth step by step, otherwise you will not understand! Stay calm, NO ARGUMENTS.
Now, let me answer, before you throw any crap again. Please.
Hahahahaha. Only one house was in danger at the time of our Prophet (saw). You joker. You make me laugh. Sorry Sister, are you illiterate when I say when the lives? Is it singular or plural? Does it mean one or many?
Seems to me that I can throw my knowledge away and follow yours. lol, you will get the reference. Wait, be patient. Sabbar ka pall Meetha hota hai. And this answer will only be for you. I hope you like it.
Where are my arguments? In a nice manner I tell you that we can hear both sides. You come and jump at me, reference? Step by Step! Seek the truth step by step, otherwise you will not understand! Stay calm, NO ARGUMENTS.
Answer the question, stop changing the subject?
It is okay to fight when ones house, women or children are in danger, then why did Mirza want to abolish Jihad?
Answer the question, stop changing the subject?
It is okay to fight when ones house, women or children are in danger, then why did Mirza want to abolish Jihad?
Are you a Judge or what whom I have to answer?
**I think everyone would defend himself when his life is threatend, but you cannot go there and declare Jihad! Or can you? Every human being has a right to defend himself.
With what kind of senseless point are you coming? What do you exactly want? Tell me?
I'm not changing the subject. Did I say something wrong? Answer this question of mine now, stop changing the subject. Did I say something wrong when I said we can talk in peace? Answer this question NOW. I try to discuss this topic in a nice manner and with what do you come? You are another one who can leave this topic. Would you say to the Prophet (saw) "answer the questions, stop changing the subject"? stop twisting the people who want to seek knowledge.
You make no sense. It's late. Go and sleep.
Enough said. I have nothing to tell you anymore and I see no need to give you reference. I will now concentrate on the topic and leave such ridiculous posts unanswered. Think what you think and GO, SEEK AND BELIEVE THE LIES. HAVE FUN.
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Are you a Judge or what whom I have to answer?
I think everyone would defend himself when his life is threatend, but you cannot go there and declare Jihad! Or can you? Every human being has a right to defend himself.
But how can one man fight a big army? You need more than one person to defend yourself and others against an army.
I won't say anything now (atleast in this thread) because I think I should stop asking questions regarding Mirza Ghulam ahmed after reading his blesphemous writings like "I felt like God", "I am God", "God appeared as a human being and said I will give you the world" , "God said 'I will send earthquakes and plague then you will be pleased' " etc etc
Sorry to say but Mirza hasn't left any roam for us muslims to trust him even a little.