Afridi's 37 ball century is just unbeatable.. I prefer him in ODIs only.
All I can say is that he holds the world record for the fastest century and that is something Viv Richards or Sachin or any other great batsman will never accomplish.
You are showing some numbers so what, we know he isn't the best in the world but he definitley has the talent, he doesn't have the right frame of mind.
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All I can say is that he holds the world record for the fastest century and that is something Viv Richards or Sachin or any other great batsman will never accomplish.
You are showing some numbers so what, we know he isn't the best in the world but he definitley has the talent, he doesn't have the right frame of mind.
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Hum...Winston davis has the world record of best bowling figure in world cup and he help the record of best bowling figure ever in ODIS for almost 10-12 years.Doet that mean he is greater than Akram or Warne....
What about Chaminda Vas , he has best bowling figue in ODIs.Looks like he is great bowler whcih no wasim,Marshal or Irman did.May be he a also one of great bowlers.
Dear greatness doesnt come with single performance.It comes with a consistant peformance over a period of time.
You need to understand different between great and good.
Nobody said he is great but there is no need for a person who himself have never played cricket in his life to downgrade a talented bloke like Afridi. If the Pakistani batsman are so horrible then why don't you join the national team and succesfully hit a fast bowler out of the ground. There are thousands of young cricketer out there and itching to play for their country but Afridi is still up there.
He has played 175 matches, no untalented batsman can ever last that long, look at the other batsman Pakistan had who came by and left suddenly, Wajatullah Wasti, M Wasim etc.
mo_best you are just hating on him cause he gets all the chicks. As far as throwing his stats around like that is useless since he is still relatively new and has a few sharp edges which obviously will be smoothed out as his career matures.His main reason for his inconsistent performance is his relatively shaky nerves under egotistical captains like moin. I am sure he will demonstrate a much stable figures in WC under waqar, since he is a comparatively mellower captain.
Afridi out for 6 against Gauteng
Shahid Afridi is a legend
this one alone man can destroy a team single handed
Everyone is just jealous of him
just because he mashes up in a few matches doesn't mean that he is not good. Everyone has their bad days
Mo you're only good at number-crunching, but there's more to it than that. You're the Charles Hughes of cricket (football's long ball stats guy who nearly wrecked British footy).
My analysis of Afridi is spot on, yours is half-baked.
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*Originally posted by saima Iqbal: *
Shahid Afridi is a legend
this one alone man can destroy a team single handed
Everyone is just jealous of him
just because he mashes up in a few matches doesn't mean that he is not good. Everyone has their bad days
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legend???
alrite....hes good....but in no way is he a legend!
a legend would be a pleyer like Wasim Akram....not Afridi!
he doesnt even average 30....how can u call him a legend?
oh kia fuzool ki behas le kar beth gaye ho tum sab....
And Saima Iqbal, i dont know whether you were being sarcastic or what....but u sure made me laugh.
And whats the fuss about how great Afridi is....common guys there are so many people in Pakistan who are a hell lot better than him. But the only reason he is in the team is that he is lucky...and sec. he produces results and thats what we want. Thats what allrounders are all about, scoring around 20 25 runs, picking a couple of wickets, diving around, stoppin 4s, taking catches. If he does that, than he justifies his position in the team, period.
Most probably he'll be in the side against Australia...I would like to see Azhar and Razzaq too. A long batting line up and 6 ballers is what we need.
Andha these guys are just Pakistani equivalent to those English soccer hooligans who insist that Beckham is the best-they dont know a googly from a flipper and yet they insist that they are right.
Afridi's stats are so pathetic that he can only play for the team which is the biggest load of hot air in world cricket. Stats are not everything, but in his case (any any case) they are a big chunk of it. He's completekly crap.
You cant argue your points well so you just say "oh he scored this 40 ball ton" and "he is brave"-thats not cricket talk! Thats just BS allowing him to mortgage his place forever.
As for Yaasir-you make me laugh. I'm living is a dream world?
:rotfl"
You keep thinking Pakistan are the ish-and when they come back home with nothing, just as in SA, the last X number of Australian tours, all the WI tours, bar the 1988 one under Imran(1-1), and then continue there impressive run of home series games too (let us see SERIES LOSES over the recent past to England, SRL, Aus (sharjah) and even Zimbo! (1997!), we can discuss this issue again.
MR X:
Your analysis of Afridi is one of mass contridictions and one without any real cricketing proof.
You cant hold on to 1 event for 10 years-as for him being new, I'm not sure which fool said that, but this joker Afridi has been around since 1996/7-thats like 7/8 years now!
New? :rotfl"
You all need to go back to sleep!
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MR X:
Your analysis of Afridi is one of mass contridictions and one without any real cricketing proof.
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There's no contradictions there whatsoever. I've always said that Afridi's shot selection is blind so he's not good enough to open against top fast bowlers. Where I take issue is with your idea that he is scared of the bowling or a loser. He's a front foot slogger so that means he doesn't play the cut or hook that well. Scared has nothing to do with it, he just isn't a back foot player. And he's definitely one of our more competitive players in the field.
he has attempted to play the hook/pull, I have seen his efforts countless times, he just lacks the technique and the guts to do a half decent job.
If he cant play of the back foot, and is just a sogger-why the hell is he playing international cricket?
On the issue of "facts"-some cat said I ignore them-look at all by posts, that DATA is hard facts! They are actually his scores ect!
What facts are you ppl looking at?
Q) Are you agreed that one's worth as a player is shown in efforts against the best opposition in both forms of the game?
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All I can say is that he holds the world record for the fastest century and that is something Viv Richards or Sachin or any other great batsman will never accomplish.
You are showing some numbers so what, we know he isn't the best in the world but he definitley has the talent, he doesn't have the right frame of mind.
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Exactly..... and plus kaka malang is also right coz he gets all the chicks....n yo mo best screw the hook/pull whatever...he can hit sixes all over the place....and no one cares about the STATS
If he can hit 6's "all over the place"-why doesnt he?
He usually doesnt make anything!
As for "ignoring the stats"-thus you ignore the facts-you simply pick/choose which facts you like in order to make your case seem stronger. I present you with full board reality and you call it "lies"-you are simply comical.
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If he can hit 6's "all over the place"-why doesnt he?
He usually doesnt make anything!
As for "ignoring the stats"-thus you ignore the facts-you simply pick/choose which facts you like in order to make your case seem stronger. I present you with full board reality and you call it "lies"-you are simply comical.
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You ignored the stats when you said Zaheer Abbas was a crappy player... You ignored the stats when u said Lara was better then Tendulkar. So isnt it you who simply pick/choose which facts/stats you like in order to make your case seem stronger.
On a seperate note no body compared Afridi to Viv Richards.. The only thing stated was that in full flow Afrdi hits sixes over covers and Viv Richards use to do that.
One can admit Afridi not being a good batsman but when someone has tenasity of degrading one of Pakistan’s top batsman in Zaheer Abbas should know their cricketing knowledge. If you think Zaheer Abbas was a crappy player then why not bring up some numbers like you did in Afridi’s case cause you know you will be proved wrong just like everytime.
Career Statistics:
TESTS
(career)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 78 124 11 5062 274 44.79 12 20 34 0
Balls M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 370 9 132 3 44.00 2-21 0 0 123.3 2.14
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(career)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 62 60 6 2572 123 47.62 84.80 7 13 16 0
O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling 46.4 2 223 7 31.85 2-26 0 0 40.0 4.77
Read this article carefully and tell me if he was “crappy player”
Zaheer Abbas: The Asian Bradman
Agha Akbar - 6 March 2001
In the mould of greats of `the Golden Era’, Zaheer Abbas was a stylish, elegant batsman. In full flow, he was a sight for sore eyes. His avarice for runs matched that of the Aussie legend, and that was why he was dubbed the Asian Bradman. High praise indeed for there have been many greats but none matches the aura of the Don.
There was not a touch of arrogance about Zaheer’s batting but of lyrical, fluent movement, his innings memorable for a refined, effortless beauty. His strength was precision and timing. He had the ability to go on back and front foot with equal facility, on occasions moving from backward to forward or vice versa during the course of one stroke and yet send the ball crashing to the fence. A high back-lift gave him a touch of elegance, and combined with powerful and supple wrists guiding the ball into the gaps on both sides of the wicket, he scored a very high proportion of his runs in boundaries. When the going was good, he seemed like a maestro at work, his artistry, his elegance leaving connoisseurs awestruck.
Zaheer’s first big score came in England, a double hundred, 274 to be precise, at Edgbaston in only his second Test. With that innings, not only did he prove the pundits wrong, who thought that his technique and high backlift would make him highly suspect against the seaming ball, it also heralded the arrival of a new international star. Such was his mastery, so profound his concentration that he never seemed like getting out. He may have gone on and on, when sheer exhaustion got him; by the time he got out he had batted for nine hours and 10 minutes.
Many counties immediately lined up to recruit this lean and bespectacled youth, but he opted for Gloucestershire, a less fashionable choice but one which he did not regret. He never switched to another county, playing for Gloucester right to the end, making runs year on year in a huge pile, well in excess of 1,000 almost every season, 2,544 in one glorious Indian summer of 1976 and another 2305 in 1981.
Having already scored another double hundred (240) in the Oval Test in 1974 and some big scores on the Australian tour of 1976-77 including 101 at Adelaide, he was signed up by the Kerry Packer circus, which resulted in his missing two rubbers against England. When the Packer bunch was welcomed back to the fold for the Indian series, after an 18-year gap, Zaheer was at his majestic best, putting to sword the feared Indian spin quartet to notch scores of 176, 96 and 235 in successive innings. His tally of 583 runs in a short rubber was then a world record.
The only Asian to have made a century of centuries in first class cricket to date, he really had a Bradmanesque appetite for runs. Nothing reflects this better than his making a century in each innings on eight occasions in a first class match, a world record. All the more amazing is the fact that in four out of these eight, he made a double hundred and a hundred. His 100th hundred, predictably, a double hundred (215) against India in the 1982-83 Lahore Test was followed by two more Test hundreds in that series.
That was the last of his great series, and though he got the captaincy, which he so desired when Imran Khan got his famous shin injury, he only played one major innings, an unbeaten 168, again at Lahore, again against India. Never really comfortable against genuine pace, but then nobody really is, by then age was catching up fast and his reflexes had deteriorated a great deal.
For one who was the epitome of grace in batting, his exit was rather unseemly as he opted out of the last Test of his career at Karachi in 1985-86 against Sri Lanka, not allowing himself a proper farewell. Zaheer blamed it on senior players, on Imran Khan in an indirect way. But perhaps he did so in a fit of pique, because having announced his retirement from Test cricket, he still wanted to remain active in the one-day version of the game. And the selectors, certainly with Imran prompting them, would have none of it. Whatever the reason, none would dispute that Zaheer deserved a better send off than he got.
© CricInfo Ltd
Afridi is the best "entertainer", don't you guys get it? He can hit as many boundaries as number of balls he can touch with his bat!
A legend? NO
Destroy a bowling single-handedly? NO (may be once every 50 games).
A slogger? Yes
A "batsman"? part timer
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Career Statistics:
TESTS
(career)
M I NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 78 124 11 5062 274 44.79 12 20 34 0
Balls M R W Ave BBI 5 10 SR Econ
Bowling 370 9 132 3 44.00 2-21 0 0 123.3 2.14
ONE-DAY INTERNATIONALS
(career)
M I NO Runs HS Ave SR 100 50 Ct St
Batting & Fielding 62 60 6 2572 123 47.62 84.80 7 13 16 0
O M R W Ave BBI 4w 5w SR Econ
Bowling 46.4 2 223 7 31.85 2-26 0 0 40.0 4.77
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Humm ,Using facts to proof a point but dont accept fact when its against you.. how funny...
By the way I think Zaheer was great.Great test player and Best oneday batsman after Richards during his time.
I cant belive people are fighting to prove that Shahid Afridi is great batsman.......
He is just a slogger like Nicky Boje,Wasim Akram,Chetan Sharma.
Can the discussion be restricted to Afridi only please.