Afghania

The Tajiks, Hazaras and Uzbeks considers pushtoons as aliens who have occupied their lands. The most hated pushtoon figure among them is Ahmed Shah Abdali (Durrani). This is the reason why NA was pro-indian.

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there are plenty of people who oppose any renaming in general and use the argument that there are more pressing issues as an excuse whenever it comes up..the term Afghania has never been used by Pashtun nationalists it was coined by Chaudhry Rehmat Ali..similarly Allama Iqbal would refer to "pathans" as Afghans.

DA AFGHAN PA NANG ME WATARAL TORA
NANGYALE DA ZAMANE KHUSHAL KHATAK YAMA

by KHUSHAL KHAN KHATTAK (1613-1690) .. afghanistan didn't even existed durin 1690's when khushal khan khattak said that.. thats why pashtuns say AFGHAN is a synonum for PASHTUN.. Afghan is an ethnicity just like arab, tajik, uzbak, punjabi etc
but yeah it doesn't mean tajiks don't belong to afghanistan.. tajiks do belong to afghanistan because balkh is the home for tajiks.. but still that doesn't make tajiks afghans because afghan is a synonum used for pashtuns.

Khan the use of the word Afghan precedes Khushal Khan as well it wa used in the first histories of the people like Tarikh-e-Afghan in the time of the Lodhi’s

Now or Never, by Chaudhary Rahmat Ali, 1933
Iam enclosing herewith an appeal on behalf of the thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of India–Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. It embodies their demand for the recognition of their national status, as distinct from the other inhabitants of India, by the grant to Pakistan of a separate Federal Constitution on religious, social and historical grounds.

I shall be pleased if you will kindly acquaint me with your valuable opinion on the proposed solution of the great Hindu-Muslim problem. I trust that, vitally interested as you are in a just and permanent solution of that complex problem, the objects outlined in the appeal wiIl meet with your fullest approval and active support.

Yours truly,
Rahmat Ali (Choudhary). (Founder, Pakiistan National Movement)
First issued 1933; reissued 1934

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What's in a name?
that which we call a rose
by any other name would smell as sweet

A beautiful quote..so what is a name/identity worth? does it bring peace or food in ones belly? no it doesn't ..but to steal a quote from a movie..
What is it worth?
Nothing and everything..

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The reason why Pakistan army has started to hit Paktoon belt is : “** Paktoons on the side of the border are fighting a Herioic war for freedom of Afghanistan from USA”**
Paktoons are not in good books of USA who is our master…i mean GOVT of Pakistan has always been a loyal servant to USA…

I would post someting that will astonish you guys…Most Bomb blasts in NWFP are done by the Govt themselves…later they make it look as if the Talibans have done it. This in turn gives them a reason to kill Paktoons on beck and call of USA. Here is my proof A govt official belonging to a secret agency(ISA,IB) planted bomb in NWFP , later when people caught the g guy the Government interfered and secured him… to safe location BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan agent held over ‘bomb’

Nawaz Shareed has Vowed that if he comes in Power..he will focus more on National Interest and integrity of Pakistan and will stop military operation against Paktoon Pakistanies. I hope he comes in power and stop this horrendous military operation against our own blood n people!

The reality is that Pakistan needs to do away with the current provincial structure and replace it with smaller provinces. Some provinces have names ie Sindh, Punjab, Balochistan but they have had them for a longer time and got those names when people probably cared less about names.

Sindh and Punjab's name originate from the rivers/river that flows through, and the people of these regions, all of different extractions became known after them ie Punjabi, Sindhi.

Once upon a time Afghan was synonymous with what is now known as Pashtun. If any of you read Babur Nama he refers to Afghani a language which was spoken in Kabul alongside so many others. 60 years ago pakistani ID cards had a qaum section and many included Afghan. But meanings change. 50 years ago I could say "Hey, i feel very gay today!", or "hey why are you smiling? you look so gay!" Of course back then gay meant happy but now we dont say that as its meaning has completely changed.

Pakistani Pashtuns should not refer to themselves as Afghans because Afghanistan is now a country to our west whose people belong to various ethnic groups ie pashtuns,s turkmen, uzbek, hazara. An Uzbeki speaker from Mazar-I-Sharif is more of an Afghan than an Afridi from Khyber Agency could ever be. Do Punjabis, Sindhis, migrants from India consider themselves Indians still? An Uzbeki speaker from Mazar I Sharif is just as much an Afghan as a pashtu speaking Kandahari Durrani.
If Afghans want their Afghan identity to be solely pashtun then they give some of their land to neighbouring states ie tajjkista, uzbekistan, iran so they become more "Pashtun"
Now there is no langauge called Afghani. There is Pashtu and the ancient code of Pashtuns known as Pashtunwali.

One of the reasons why the land known as NWFP has never had a name is because pashtun migration to this area has been on-going and probably more recent. Before the Pashtun/Afghan migration eastwards which has been recorded at least since the last 1000 years from the arrival of Mahmud of Ghaznawai to Afghan refugees escaping the last 30 years, the area was known as Gandhara and Hindko was more widely spoken. Hindko, the most likely native language of the area, has more or less disappeared from NWFP except within urban and rural areas of Peshawar, Kohat, Naushera, Mardan and Swabi. The most vocal objectors to renaming it Pakhtunkhwa are of the course the Hindko speakers who fear their culture and language will disappear in the Pashtun sea, a feeling that some pashtuns feel that their language and culture will disappear in the urdu/punjabi speaking sea.

One way to solve the problem of the minorities is giving provinces such as Chitral, Kohistan, Mansera, Abbottabad, Haripur the chance to opt out if they wish. Its a fair point as these areas are on the fringes of the Pashtun belt anyway but Pashtun nationalists would probably never give this a chance as they they claim the whole of NWFP, Attock, Mianwali, and then as far south into Balochistan as the Bolan pass and the other reason is the Terbela Dam. They will lose a major source of revenue, or it will be halved if the Hazara division was allowed to opt out.

Bashful Khan - you forget how many Pashtuns are in power in pakistan and how they are probably the first to exploit their own before anyone elses does it.

The problem is when you mention the water issue you dont realise the water which I assume you mean Indus does not actually flow through any Pashtun directly. It divides the predominantly Pashtu speaking western region of NWFP from the predominantly Hindko speaking region east of the Indus. If wanted to be all ethnic and Pashtunize the issue rather the provincalise it, then half of whatever revenue that comes from terbela would go to the Hazara division.

Exploitation is rampant in Pakistan and I have witnessed how Pashtuns in NWFP exploit their own people systematically yet no one bats an eye lid about that?

What have so-called representatives of Pashtuns said about the American slaughter of Pashtuns in Afghanistan and the Tribal belt? The ANP dont seem to have any real problem with the people being killed in the War on Teror by the Americans. They said nothing in 2001 and that cost them the election in 2002. Many Pashtuns were angry that their so-called representatives did not utter any condemnation. As hypocritical as the MMA/JUI-JI are at least they spoke out against this wrong and continued to do so. They protested too.

A name means nothing to the poor common person of the region whose major worries are the rising cost of food, the rising cost of health, income.

But it means everything to the lesser in number middle and upper classes who are more worried about how many rooms to install AC in, should i fly to lahore or drive in my 4WD, what date shall i have my party on?

It is about time the politicians put their priorities in order and fulfill some of their promises to the electorate unless the renaming was the top of the agenda.

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^ Thank-you for providing an insightful stance on what's going on. All the more reason that this whole name argument is just plain silly. I can bet most poor people and middle class people of NWFP do not care. Its been over 50 years that Pakistan has been around and the area has been NWFP in name - and no one was hollering over it the way they do now.

Clearly money motivates us all, doesn't it?

Well, then lets all hope the Afghans are able to reconcile themselves to each other...
The last thing they, and Afghanistan in general needs, are people from Pakistan trying to insitigate and antagonize people, by promoting any one groups claims too ownership over the country.
By people, I mean not just the Pak Govt, but also PASHTUNS on the Pakistan side.

Nonsense…
The killing is being done by the Taliban. If they are not stopped they will spread.
This is a virus not only effects you, but also the entire country. If NWFP falls to terrorists, it will begin to spread into Punjab, and then to the doors of the capital.
Sorry, that will not be allowed to happen.

And this Bakwas about the govt killing Pashtuns… The terrorists just happen to be PASHTUNS, and they just happen to inhabit Pashtun territory… If they were Punjabi, then they would also be the ones being killed.
One article about some dubious incidence is not proof..

Sue BBC ...I gave you proof ! All the info i gave his first hand and from very reliable sources from inside Pakistani military circles

So the Pakistani military is killing people in Swat and blaming it on the Taliban? They must be supported by your boogie-man Iran, then.

To all the conspiracy theorists.

Current situation in Pakistan is highly divisive due to one BIG factor. Islamism.

There are many Islamists in the military and secret agencies who sympathize with Taliban-Kuffar. These sympathizers are plotting and killing civilians and military officials. So a BBC news from 2006 (3 years ago) simply shows the same division.

One of the major reasons (that is not advertised) for Pak army to not conduct large operations in FATA is simple. Pashtoon army officers and jawans form a very large portion of our law enforcement agencies. Any large scale operation that results in substantial number of civilian deaths will be promoted by the Pashtoon nationalists in order to destabilize Pak. Thus Taliban are getting saved indirectly by the Pashtoon nationalism.

This however is not the case when army conducts big operations against other ethnicities like Balochis, Sindhis, or Urdu speaking.

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**Pyari **you wants him to leave like your Altaf Bahi did(remember his speach in India).

we have two extreem positions 1.Those who wants name NWFP as Pukhtunkhawa or Afghania 2.those who oppose both these name, so why not take middle path i.e name it either after famous khyber pass"Khyber" or "Abaseen" and go on with life everyone happy..

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Posh, that is not the reality, simple thing is that either Pak Army knows they cant win or wants to used them aganist India in future as they were used in kashimer in 1948,1965, and 1988 tel recently and in 1989 aganist USSR.

noone wants to take the middle path anymore.

who are these people who oppose the name? by the sounds of it they are mostly from places far off nwfp ie in punjab and sindh. why do they oppose it? in reality it has nothing to do with them.

the only people it affects is the people of NWFP who are not all Pakhtuns. The voice of opposition from Punjab is actually drowning out the voice of opposition from the minorities within NWFP ie the chitralis, hindko speakers and seraikis who are probably about 25% of NWFP.

the matter should be discussed between the pakhtuns of nwfp along with their seraiki, chitrali and hindko speaking brothers and hopefully a neutral name can be established.

I prefer Abaseen or Khyber too. The Abaseen or the father of the rivers flows through a part of NWFP and then forms the eastern border of it, and all NWFPs rivers ie the kabul, swat , kuram, all join it at some stage. Then the river/water theme ties in with the water/river-nbased names of Sindh, Punjab.

I hope the nwfp government does the responsible thing and listen too all the voices of NWFP reasonably and not go for the easy option of pandering to the majority.

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Fully agree, but ANP will not accept "Khyber", because I know a bit local politics they don’t like people from Khyber Agency. Otherwise I love this name easy, and pride of the Proud

Some incident that occured over a year ago, very little credibility and completely circumstantial, is not proof.
The Taliban on their part has taken responsibility for their crimes.

The problem is Pathans like you who are in denial of the fact that your own people are involved in this activity...

I think you "bitter reality" is nothing more then your own deluded veiw of reality.

Afghania or Pukhtoonistan.....?

if we will include Kala Bagh dam , then one can understand and say whose slogans are these?

The leaders and the people who are caiming the true leaders of Pukhtoons , the ANP , why could not succeded to act upon the SWAT and NWFP gov't accord?

if we will see the statements of CM of NWFP when the accord between Taliban in Swat and the Gov't was broken, we can easily conclude that Azam Hotee was annoyed with federal Gov't for not letting them to keeping their words with Taliban in Swat , but why NWFP present regim is in coalitaion with present Gov't?

Pukhtoons are exploited....... if this feeling will be not feed to pukhtoons , then why pukhtoons will vote to ANP , these political tricks they are using.

Why this matters are being made so controversial ,as these are the only issues with ANP........ although there so many burning issues which should be addressed by ANP ..... If they are true leaders of Pukhtoons....

Like i have posted one Blog on the Same Site "Education in FATA" , you can also find those facts which needs ANP attention.

Afghania will be not opposed , if will be presented in some proper way , and no one in NWFE , Abot abad, Hazara or DI Khan will object this name , but if it is made business then every one will concern on it.

Pukhtoon are known for so many qualities , but the MOST prominant is that "PUKHTOON KEEP THEIR WORDS" , when Pukhtoons have announced that we are pakistani..... " THEY WILL KEEP THIS WORDS TILL THEIR LAST DROP OF THEIR BLOOD".

Pukhtoons are courageous ,genious , streneous and hardworking.