Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
I am sure you have seen how coalition governments work, talking to too many groups just to avoid one group is not going to be a lasting solution.
thank you for much needed laugh.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Apart from false patrioism, how is Pakistan running away with the prize?
Most of Afghanistan hates Pakistan, and they are very strong in Afghanistan.
Just because India doesn't send it's terrorists to attack the US embassy, doesn't mean they are not well positioned.
But Indians do send terrorists to Pakistan from Afghanistan and that will be over once US leaves.
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You are free to prove it otherwise i.e. that southern india didn't directly support LTTE with the acquiescence of the indian govt.
Not Southern India - the ethnic Tamils of the Tamilnadu were supporting the Tamil movement in Sri Lanka UNTIL the movement split and the extremist faction took over. The Sri Lankan Tamil minister was killed by the LTTE itself to subdue the moderate factions...! These events turned most of even the Tamils either against or neutral. But the Govt of India was asked by Jayawardene and India sent peace keeping forces, the Indian view being it will have to control the large influx of refugees into India
Then when Rajapakshe took over Sri Lanka and committed atrocities, again obviously the Tamils in India have re-committed their support in trying to get Rajapakshe for war crimes and atrocities.
If you are interested in truth, I have given it to you in a nutshell. I am sure you have the ability to go look for proof yourself. But if you keep repeating India 'interfered' then it just shows you prefer to be ignorant.
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But Indians do send terrorists to Pakistan from Afghanistan and that will be over once US leaves.
whole world knows where terrorists come from; where they go to get trained. So stop with this blaming others
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Even british sort of agreed with pakistani allegations in southern afghanistan in wikileaks documents.
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Pakistan does not send terrorists anywhere. What it sends out are freedom fighters.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Pakistan does not send terrorists anywhere. What it sends out are freedom fighters.
yep, just like someone wants to free Baluchis ;)
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Charlie Wilson, a right-wing US politician who helped funnel tens of millions of dollars to the Afghan jihadists, described Jalaluddin Haqqani as “goodness personified.”
Charlie Wilson giving certificate of character.....it's like getting Charles Lindbuagh driving Prius.
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You forget to add that very few Pashtuns from Afghanistan will ever accept that what is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan belongs to Pakistan. The Afghans feel that this land is theirs historically. I doubt they will ever let it go. I personally feel that the US will want to see it transferred to Afghanistan in the near future by encouraging Pashtun nationalism.
Yeah that is pure and simple bull****. If anything when you walk around Jalalabad, Khost and Kanadhar people are trading in Pakistani rupees and not Afghanis. They are using Pakistani products. They are listening to Pakistan and Indian music. Most of the pashtun singers they listen to are Pakistani. They travel to Pakistan for aid and medical supplies. They have homes and families in Pakistan. Yes they definitely have ill will towards Pakistan.
I guess they taught you all of that in the West somewhere. I bet you also think the US is winning the war in Afghanistan.
BC:
After OBL India said it woudl conduct similar raids. That is hostile intent for military action. India also stated after the Mumbai attacks they will take action against Pakistan if it happens again. There are numerous such examples.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Even british sort of agreed with pakistani allegations in southern afghanistan in wikileaks documents.
have you actually read the document? I did and the one I read simply said that Brits agreed that the Pakistanis were concerned that India was stirring up trouble in Pakistan. That is very different from what you are claiming
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@CM - Indian said they 'have the capability to undertake such (OBL) surgical strikes'. That is a statement of capability - I am sure everyone in India and elsewhere know this is one of those "i am big too" statements that politicians and generals make for local consumption.
The statements after the Mumbai attack were genuine. It was quite clear Pakistan was involved and I don't know why you think there was anything wrong with India's statement then?
I do not believe that any Pakistani state institution (ISI, or other Intelligence agencies) was involved in Mumbai attack, as the purpose of this was clearly to provoke India to attack Pakistan.
It was work of those forces also resposnible daily bombing and killing of innocent people, but India took advantage of this by accusing Pakistan ISi, and LET (I have no sympathy with the LTE or JM at all, in fact I believe it was RAW who created JM give bad name of Kashmir Jehad).
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@TIPUSULTAN - I don't know how you conclude the purpose of the Mumbai attack was to make India attack Pakistan - may be, may be not. But what has been established without a shadow of doubt that ISI personnel were involved in training and directing the attack.
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Yes sir!
If you clearly analyse, there was not benefit for ISI or Pakistan in conducting this senseless operation, but only help India to make a victim (which it was not doubt). Thus justify some rash action against Pakistan. (if you go through the report of that time, India was indeed preparing for some sort of strike only persuaded by US not to go through.
On other side Taliban of Afghanistan were, not happy with deployment of Pakistan Army in northern area bordering Afghanistan.
Any direct confrontation means, immediate withdrawal of Pakistan army for those area to focus on Indian threat, that was the reason the whole operation was conducted.
They were nearly successful with their design, but only US (who has biggest stake in keeping Pakistan army to engage with Afghan Talaibans, managed to persuade India not to move.
Now the second question, why India blaming ISI, or LET?
I am sure India is not telling true story, if india declare that the Mumbai operation was done by Taliban/Alqaida then, since everyone understand that they are non state actors, India would not get any political/diplomatic advantage form this.
This India cleverly decide to use this tragedy, by pushing blame on ISI. and LET which was one of the most active resistance group in Kashmir. By doing this they won international sympathy, and create to diplomatic pressure on Pakistan neutralize/ reduce LET activities in Kashmir.
India has played its cards very nicely this time. It was right strategy in any case.
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tipu sultan agree with you
and btw, your name bring backs so many memories! i used to live on tipu sultan road! whn i was in Pakistan! :)
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
But Indians do send terrorists to Pakistan from Afghanistan and that will be over once US leaves.
how many indian terrorists you have got hold of ? azmal kasab, hafiz saeed, mast gul, azhar masood..................?
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Pakistan does not send terrorists anywhere. What it sends out are freedom fighters.
one day these freedom fighters will free pakistan of its own area , nasamajh dost dana dushman se bura hota hai.
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how many indian terrorists you have got hold of ? azmal kasab, hafiz saeed, mast gul..................?
Actually India not using method of direct infiltration in Pakistan, but merely proving materiel and training support to various terrorist organizations, only in 80s there were few RAW agents captured for bombing activities.
There are cases where captured terrorists confessed trained in India, including MQM's Ajmal Pahari (you can see on youtube).
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how many indian terrorists you have got hold of ? azmal kasab, hafiz saeed, mast gul, azhar masood..................?
I strongly suspect that Azhar Masood and JAISH E MOHAMMAD is a RAWs baby.
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@CM - Indian said they 'have the capability to undertake such (OBL) surgical strikes'. That is a statement of capability - I am sure everyone in India and elsewhere know this is one of those "i am big too" statements that politicians and generals make for local consumption.
The statements after the Mumbai attack were genuine. It was quite clear Pakistan was involved and I don't know why you think there was anything wrong with India's statement then?
You should read the full statement. Yes they have the capability and will do so if necessary. Anyway it goes to prove my point. Intent for hostile military action. Thanks for agreeing with me.