My comments: This is an article outlining the traditional Indian positions in regards to Pakistan, but it has an interesting admission at the end namely that “**India should try to make sure that it has a Plan B to increase its relevance in a post-American scenario. As things stand, despite the millions India has invested, Pakistan is running away with the prize.”
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Apart from false patrioism, how is Pakistan running away with the prize?
Most of Afghanistan hates Pakistan, and they are very strong in Afghanistan.
Just because India doesn't send it's terrorists to attack the US embassy, doesn't mean they are not well positioned.
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Apart from false patrioism, how is Pakistan running away with the prize?
Most of Afghanistan hates Pakistan, and they are very strong in Afghanistan.
Just because India doesn't send it's terrorists to attack the US embassy, doesn't mean they are not well positioned.
Have you ever been to Afghanistan?
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Have you ever been to Afghanistan?
Yes, for a short while.
I also know people who live there.
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the prize we are talking here, a friendly western border with less indian influence on the government, nothing else, I dont think Pakistan will be getting anything material out of Afghanistan.
and fake deal Pakistan didnt send someone to bomb us embassy, there are quite a few handfull of Taliban/Afghans who can do that on their own!
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I think a US retreat from Afghanistan would be in high interest of Pakistan. This is because India being the back stabber as always used the afghan soil to train and provide weapons and support to anti-pakistan groups like BLA and BRA in Balochistan and segments of TTP in the KPK. Come on, everybody knows that the dozens of "embassies" or "high commissions" that India has established along the Afpak border are there to provide support and help to anti-Pakistan groups. This weakened Pakistan as a state and caused a lot of misery and bloodshed in these regions.
I think Pakistan should not forget how Indians back stabbed Pakistan and once Afghanistan is safe, I think Pakistan should think of repaying India with the same "kindness". With their daddy USA gone, I doubt if Indians would be able to sustain their hold in Afghanistan. Besides India supported the Northern alliance against Talibans, and guess who is going to rule Afghanistan once the rednecks are gone ?? :)
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Apart from false patrioism, how is Pakistan running away with the prize?
Most of Afghanistan hates Pakistan, and they are very strong in Afghanistan.
Just because India doesn't send it's terrorists to attack the US embassy, doesn't mean they are not well positioned.
Yes, for a short while.
I also know people who live there.
This is exactly what Hamid Mir said about Baluchistan too sometime ago, he claimed you can't even raise Pakistani flag.... guess what, he was wrong.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Apart from false patrioism, how is Pakistan running away with the prize?
Most of Afghanistan hates Pakistan, and they are very strong in Afghanistan.
Just because India doesn't send it's terrorists to attack the US embassy, doesn't mean they are not well positioned.
The article I posted was written by Rajeev Srinivasan in a mainsteam Indian media outlet Rediff, so it is presenting a view from India on the Afghan-Pakistan-US situation.
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here is the difference.
Rajeev(author) says ISI is prepared to achieve the so called 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan and fully happy with paying the prize in terms of suffering the terrorist monster inside Pakistan. I somehow doubt that. One or two murders occasionally may be dismissed as "collateral" but hundreds and thousands yearly is more like civil war.
It is necessary that India be mindful of such scenario as this article deals with but I think it underestimates all parties involved.
There are two other emerging factors:
**1) nothing helps a sitting American president seeking a 2nd term as a war. **It cannot be Iraq or Afghanistan because Obama promised!
2) China and India both need US BIGTIME to keep their respective economies intact, with Europe flaming out.
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As someone who lives in Afghanistan and has been doing so for the past year and a half I can state two things.
- Afghans depending on the location do dislike Pakistanis. However they are not Pashtun.
- The Pashtun that form the majority of Afghanistan do consider Pakistan highly. Most of the UN staff in Afghanistan got their degrees in Pakistan. Have Pakistani ID cards have settled their families there. I get regular requests for mithai and medicine whenever I travel and I am in a non-pasjtun area but I am treated far better than the other international staff here.
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^ oh wow! are you originally Afghan or from Pakistan? and are you Pashtun?
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This is exactly what Hamid Mir said about Baluchistan too sometime ago, he claimed you can't even raise Pakistani flag.... guess what, he was wrong.
I thought that was said about FATA / Swat?
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US has not even left Germany after they (US and allied forces) defeated Germany in the 2nd world war
History says, US has not left any country after they have created an army base over their.
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Vietnam was one such country, though US has more pressing interest being in the backyard of China.
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To certain extent its correct, that hefty population of Afghanistan hate us, but that doesn't mean we can't have deceiving influence there now or after Americans left.
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The problem is not Afghan people but the Afghan government. I can never trust the latter; they have always opposed Pakistan in UN. I mean just look at Karzai (most unreliable person). He is the last person I will trust!!
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To certain extent its correct, that hefty population of Afghanistan hate us, but that doesn't mean we can't have deceiving influence there now or after Americans left.
What are you trying to achieve? give the afghans the impressions that pakistanis shouldn't be trusted. your comments seem more indian than pakistani
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It is foolish to think that people of Afghanistan are unaware of the so called Pakistani interest in achieving 'strategic depth' within Afghanistan. For what? Why would the Afghans not mind the Pakistan desire to keep them under their control?
Secondly, if Pakistan has suffered X in the war on terror, Afghans have suffered 10X.
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It is foolish to think that people of Afghanistan are unaware of the so called Pakistani interest in achieving 'strategic depth' within Afghanistan. For what? Why would the Afghans not mind the Pakistan desire to keep them under their control?
Secondly, if Pakistan has suffered X in the war on terror, Afghans have suffered 10X.
Keep dreaming honey, just wait for the time when daddy USA is gone from Afghanistan and Pakistan gets a free hand to repay the kindness of back stabbing indians.
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I am Pakistani. Not Pashtun. Not Sindhi. No Mohajir. Not Balochi and not Punjabi. I am as Pakistani as they get.
There are many Afghans who have issues with Pakistanis lets not doubt that, but those by far are non-pashtuns.