Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
I hope pakistan does a deal with non-paxtuns this time!
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^ we can't, the majority of population inside FATA/NWFP is Pashtun. With having Pashtun in our pocket any government in Kabul can't take up the issue of Durrand line.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
The Durand line issue is not a Afghanistan not accepting the line issue. Its a Pakistani military not wanting it properly demarcated issue. If they demarcate the boundary our concept of strategic depth gets buggered.
If its an official accepted boundary, we can not cross into it or use it to our advantage. As long as it is fluid, it benefits our military response.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
The Durand line issue is not a Afghanistan not accepting the line issue. Its a Pakistani military not wanting it properly demarcated issue. If they demarcate the boundary our concept of strategic depth gets buggered.
If its an official accepted boundary, we can not cross into it or use it to our advantage. As long as it is fluid, it benefits our military response.
What kind of treasures are lying on the other side of Durand Line..????
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Strategic depth is built on the premise that India will attempt to disect the country into half at its shortest width. A valid strategy that India has chosen to employ. Strategic depth sees Afghanistan as a fall back location from which to recoil against the Indian forces.
If the boundary line is officially demarcated and patrolled, the Pakistan army would require permission from the Afghan Government to enter and use it. However if the boundary is not demarcated, not patrolled and remains in the hands of tribal groups and militants who are allied to the Pakistani military apparatus, that access is absolutely ensured without any permission or support.
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Keep dreaming honey, just wait for the time when daddy USA is gone from Afghanistan and Pakistan gets a free hand to repay the kindness of back stabbing indians.
what? what has India done that you are so bitter about? Hopefully you're not one of those believing in the nutty conspiracy theories about "Kayani being on CIA payroll, Malik on RAW payroll, 2500 Indian consulates along AfPak border and 9/11 was just a CIA documentary"
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Strategic depth is built on the premise that India will attempt to disect the country into half at its shortest width. A valid strategy that India has chosen to employ. Strategic depth sees Afghanistan as a fall back location from which to recoil against the Indian forces.
If the boundary line is officially demarcated and patrolled, the Pakistan army would require permission from the Afghan Government to enter and use it. However if the boundary is not demarcated, not patrolled and remains in the hands of tribal groups and militants who are allied to the Pakistani military apparatus, that access is absolutely ensured without any permission or support.
so is there any wonder the Afghans hate this attitude? Pakistan imagines an Indian strike and Afghans should yield their sovereignty because Pakistan sees ghosts in shadows?
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Afghans dislike the idea that Pakistan meddles in its affairs. Just like Sri Lanka and Nepal hate the way India interferes in its affairs.
India has threatened on three different instances in the past 12 years to strike Pakistan. Hardly an imagination.
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- What do you mean Indian interfered in Sri Lanka affairs? Rajiv Gandhi & Jayawardene signed an accord based on which Jayawardene requested peace keeping forces from India; India obliged. That is helping not interfering. As you know India paid dearly for this at the hands of LTTE when they killed Rajiv Gandhi for helping the Sri Lankan government.
2) What are you basing your statement that India threatened Pakistan on 3 instances?](“Indian Peace Keeping Force - Wikipedia”)
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
I hope pakistan does a deal with non-paxtuns this time!
Pashtuns are the largest group in Afghanistan, around 42%, the next closest is Tajik 27% then there dozen groups. Would you want to deal with a fish-market of people talking in different directions or would you want to talk to people who are talking about same thing?
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^ we can't, the majority of population inside FATA/NWFP is Pashtun. With having Pashtun in our pocket any government in Kabul can't take up the issue of Durrand line.
I think even taliban took up that issue and said once that attock is the border of Pakistan.
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Pashtuns are the largest group in Afghanistan, around 42%, the next closest is Tajik 27% then there dozen groups. Would you want to deal with a fish-market of people talking in different directions or would you want to talk to people who are talking about same thing?
That 27% is not significant and I don't think your fish market example should be applied to country to country strategic relationships. Not only does alienating one group provide openings for Iran and INDIA, but it also limits your influence since groups don't have to compete for power. If Pakistan can have a relationship with masood in the past, then surely it can work with some sane leaders in NA considering how sane taliban are.
The other issue that is very important to Pakistan is that Pakistan has to avoid a civil war in afghanistan, as more afghans will flood into Pakistan, with their associated baggage, and Pakistan already is exploding at its seam with a high rate of population growth with no resources and/or infrastructure to show for it.
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I wonder why do we get indians like this here. Seriously, where do you think the major support for LTTE was coming from? I don’t know about Nepal, as it is little more independent than bhutan, but I think bangladesh also accuses india of arming shanti bahini in the past.
I thought that strategic depth meant that Afghanistan can’t be used against Pakistan like how the Iranians found a back door to get at Sparta thousands of years ago. Economic benefits are the icing on the cake, but to think that Pakistan army would withdraw back to afghanistan is ludicrous. Pakistan army would have be to destroyed, if it is a patriotic & professional force, to lose control of its major arteries in punjab and sindh. Pakistan would probably have nuked india by that point, instead of fighting an extended guerrilla war from the mountains of AfPak. People think a guerrilla war is a joke, but you lose a lot in your country and it takes years to win even if 1 billion indians couldn’t stomach some secondary attrition losses.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
Charlie Wilson, a right-wing US politician who helped funnel tens of millions of dollars to the Afghan jihadists, described Jalaluddin Haqqani as “goodness personified.”
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
To certain extent its correct, that hefty population of Afghanistan hate us, but that doesn't mean we can't have deceiving influence there now or after Americans left.
You're wrong. Most Afghans don't hate Pakistanis. The few who have some sort of a resentment towards Pakistan is only because they strongly believe Pakistan has always interfered in it's internal/political affairs for it's own interest.
The problem with a lot of Pakistanis is that they think Afghans owe them big because they gave them a place to live when the country was at war. While that's true, Pakistanis never made any other efforts to build and strengthen their relationship with these refugees. If anything, it was obvious that their presence was not very welcome in Pakistan.
I'm just trying to make you look at both sides of the picture. You talk about sending these 'back stabbers' back to their country and keeping some sort of "deceiving" control over afghanistan yet complain about all of them hating you. Certainly you're not deluded enough to think Pakistan has done absolutely no meddling in Afghan affairs all these years and kept to their own business. How can you expect these people to fall in love with you then?
The average Afghan doesn't even care about the Durand line. You guys need to get over your paranoia of having it taken back from your clutches. At this point, they just really want all the foreigners out of their land. If Pakistan and India want to fight, they should just take it else where and let these people be instead of strategizing over how to use their country for their interest.
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This would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous and sad. The idea of deep influence into Afghanistan was promoted by Pakistani military strategists as a code to pursuit of acquiring a vassal state. Now that code has been told so many times and explained in so may ways that people today have actually started believing their own lie!
@Dopplehanger - you should really look up Sri Lanka - LTTE facts before making such statements
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You are free to prove it otherwise i.e. that southern india didn't directly support LTTE with the acquiescence of the indian govt.
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As someone who lives in Afghanistan and has been doing so for the past year and a half I can state two things.
- Afghans depending on the location do dislike Pakistanis. However they are not Pashtun.
- The Pashtun that form the majority of Afghanistan do consider Pakistan highly. Most of the UN staff in Afghanistan got their degrees in Pakistan. Have Pakistani ID cards have settled their families there. I get regular requests for mithai and medicine whenever I travel and I am in a non-pasjtun area but I am treated far better than the other international staff here.
You forget to add that very few Pashtuns from Afghanistan will ever accept that what is now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan belongs to Pakistan. The Afghans feel that this land is theirs historically. I doubt they will ever let it go. I personally feel that the US will want to see it transferred to Afghanistan in the near future by encouraging Pashtun nationalism.
Re: Afghan endgame: As Americans retreat, India needs plan B
This would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous and sad. The idea of deep influence into Afghanistan was promoted by Pakistani military strategists as a code to pursuit of acquiring a vassal state. Now that code has been told so many times and explained in so may ways that people today have actually started believing their own lie!
@Dopplehanger - you should really look up Sri Lanka - LTTE facts before making such statements
We have a stupid bunch of Generals runnng Pakistan and they are ruining it to the ground. They dont care to be honest because they will flee if things got very bad in Pakistan.
They need to focus on Pakistan first. Most Pashtuns in Pakistan believe that life in Afghanistan is much better than life in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
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