Before you criticize this mindset of going extreme and equate that with situation in Pakistan, try answering why alcohol consumption is not allowed in different situations I cited earlier in my post. (Driving, flying, working on a job, etc.)
Let me ask you quite blank:
Would you fly in a plane as a passegnger if you find out the pilot had few drinks before getting on plane and will you say: “Oh well, he is not drunk so I am fine, lets go fly I am getting late already!”
**The issue is simple. Its about freedom of choice.
It is not about racism, generalized hatred, not always about religiosity but even if it is about being religious so what?
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**When people are free to not like to marry others based on millions and zillions of characteristics and habits, why all hell is being broken here on people who do not like to marry to a person who drinks alcohol?
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Why same kind of criticism is not extended to those who do not like to marry with a person
who smokes
who is too tall
who is too short
who is too old or young
who is not much educated
who has an accent of any kind
etc. ???
Why those people are not grilled and asked if they hate sood khore, liars, cheaters etc???
Your arguments are not making any sense…they are merely for the sake of argument. Which is fine if you like that kinda thing but at least make sense. Being tall or short is not a sin. Drinking is…
No one is breaking hell loose here on anyone…bila vaja ki dramay bazian?
People are merely discussing why alcohol is seen as such a taboo thing in our culture when there are other evils on the same level.
You have missed the whole point of all the fuss in this thread. Its not just about saying no to alcohol, its about holding it above all other things and citing religious reasons for that and even questioning a person’s faith for asking this question. If you have been reading from the beginning you will see how the topic got diverted into this.
Your example of not flying with a pilot who has taken alcohol went completely over my head. For me its not an example of freedom of choice, its a compulsion not to fly in that situation as it is a matter of life and death. I wouldn’t even fly with a pilot if he tells me he is going to offer namaz no matter when and where in plane its time for it.
Your last points are only giving weight to those who are asking why alcohol is taken more seriously in context of religion in comparison to other things which are causes of more evils in our society.
I’ve followed the thread since the beginning and I still don’t see any point to all of the fuss. For anybody who said no, there may have been reasons apart from it being for only religious but none of the people who responded with a no said it was any better or worse than any other sins. The people whom it didn’t bother or who didn’t say no brought are the ones who brought other sins/social evils into the discussion.
First red and third red sentences you just made up out of nowhere.
No one has categorically said admonition of alcohol is above other ills or wrongs in ANY society.
Read whole thread, you made this up out of your insecurity or perhaps lack of understanding my friend.
Yes, some people used religion to support their views, so what??? Is that a sin? (pun intended)
Second red part where you said flying with a pilot who has taken few drinks I simply meant to say…
It really does not matter to many people who dislike alcohol drinkers if they drink socially or get too drunk and they should be respected for making their choices as such.
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If these people have fear that those alcohol drinkers one day can drink alcohol above their level of tolerance and cause “HullaR Baazi” or throw temper tentrum to something like very horrible crime then their fear is justified.
Just like you have fear from a pilot who merely took a few drinks…, a large number of people in this world and even a liberated society has fear from alcohol drinkers.
Let those people voice their opinion of disliking ANY alcohol drinker enough NOT TO MARRY…even if they do this for religious reason.
**FYI: Live and Let live motto is not just for few selected people. Freedom should also be for religious people in this world.
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Nonsense. First calling it a sin in religion, then calling it a personal choice and now it is the fear! and I am the one who is making things up :halo:
I love to answer some of above posts but periodic Chiaaoon Piaaaoon of one new baby poster(?) is very distracting. Once that post is removed, please by all means remove this post.
I wouldn’t marry someone who drinks. I don’t do it…wouldn’t marry someone who does.
Also…i think the immediate revulsion to alcohol lies in it’s choice, i guess. Taking a loan or a mortgage is something some people can’t avoid doing…alcohol is. There are sins such as not praying or gheebat (to a much lesser extent)…these aren’t things we consciously think “yes it is bad. Yes i am committing a sin. But i will still do it” - they are mostly things you do and realize, sh*t…i shouldn’t have done that. ‘Accidental’ sins if you will. Alcohol, drugs, rape, murder (not talking abt cases of self-defense etc)…these aren’t things you just ‘accidentally’ or subconsciously/unconsciously do…they are more deliberate defiances of Allah’s command.
