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I've heard people give excuses for wine...that its healthy for the heart and whatnot.
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Sure, I am not one to judge anyone.
But it does bring to light an interesting point:
Alcohol and pork consumption are considered bigger sins compared to any other sin by Muslims overall...why is that?
I don't know whats bigger sin, however, if a lot of people are away from alcohol due to whatever reasons, even if it was to keep away genital warts, i would say its a good thing. People who drink also come up with excuses like one self styled intellectual who has been heard intoxicated on tv say, cigarette is a bigger health risk etc
But then if you have heart attack doesn't mean you can't wear comfortable shoes.
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I see for many of you this is a deal breaker due to religion. Question:** Are you all just as strict about other religious things like eating halal, hijab, watching half-naked women prancing around in Bollywood movies etc?** I feel like desi Muslims go nuts if someone drinks alcohol or eats pork citing religion....yet seems to have no issues with MANY other religious rules that are broken on a daily basis.
I can't speak for anyone else. But for me, drinking, smoking, sex outside of marriage, and eating haram are all deal breakers. In addition, if he considers himself a practicing Muslim but doesn't make the slightest effort to pray/fast, this too is a deal breaker. Being on either extreme is unhealthy: too liberal or too conservative.
I am not the type of person who will nag her husband to change his core beliefs or way of life to accommodate me. So I look for a moderate person who is more or less on the same page as me.
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Drinking is probably seen as 'more' wrong due to our cultural conditioning.. Being part Bengali it's crazy to me how most think it's ok to show their navels but at the same time are disgusted at the thought of a woman showing her legs or live in a house full of non-mehrams but go mad at the thought of other Muslims who might drink or keep a dog or commit other different sins..
People really need to look in the mirror before judging others..
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Drinking is probably seen as 'more' wrong due to our cultural conditioning.. Being part Bengali it's crazy to me how most think it's ok to show their navels but at the same time are disgusted at the thought of a woman showing her legs or live in a house full of non-mehrams but go mad at the thought of other Muslims who might drink or keep a dog or commit other different sins..
People really need to look in the mirror before judging others..
haha yeah ^ that's kind of funny and ridiculous.
I don't agree with the last bit you wrote. How is keeping a dog the same as drinking? All sins are not equal. There is the concept of sagheera and kabeera gunaah (small and big sins). The punishment for each differs according to the degree of the sin being committed.
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^I know all sins aren't equal and those were just some quick examples..
Major sins like riba (equivalent to sleeping with your own mother) and living with your bil ('death') are often considered fine by those who attack others for drinking.. Where's the logic in that??
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^I know all sins aren't equal and those were just some quick examples..
Major sins like riba (equivalent to sleeping with your own mother) and living with your bil ('death') are often considered ok by those who attack others for drinking.. Where's the logic in that??
(I'm not a drinker btw.. before anyone asks)
Way to go.
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^If you have no counter point to make best just keep quiet 
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Oh yeah, generalizing everyone to prove your point is the way to go.
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Like Deeba, I'm not bothered by social drinking. I end up at social events that serve alcohol on a regular basis...heck almost all my work events include alcohol. Most people I know drink socially. As long as I'm not being pressured to drink & people around me aren't being obnoxious b/c of the alcohol, I can tolerate it.
I see for many of you this is a deal breaker due to religion. Question: Are you all just as strict about other religious things like eating halal, hijab, watching half-naked women prancing around in Bollywood movies etc? I feel like desi Muslims go nuts if someone drinks alcohol or eats pork citing religion....yet seems to have no issues with MANY other religious rules that are broken on a daily basis.
Now that you mention it I see the same thing but I don't see it as a bad thing. I'd say it's a blessing that we find these things repulsive (for the most part), whether other things bother us as much or not. One factor that I see that there could be to it is that since we're young, even for people who aren't as religious, pork and alcohol are seen as repulsive and we're taught to avoid them and this becomes a line that we don't want to cross, even if we're not that religious.
But if we think that we shouldn't care about alcohol and pork because we have no issues with things x, y and z, then with that same mentality we could also slip into well I'm doing such and such sins, so what's the big deal if I steal, cheat or any other sin. We will always be able to justify any subsequent sins with sins that we're committing prior to them.
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^I know all sins aren't equal and those were just some quick examples..
Major sins like riba (equivalent to sleeping with your own mother) and living with your bil ('death') are often considered fine by those who attack others for drinking.. Where's the logic in that??
A question was asked by OP, people answered about what they felt like, why do you accuse them of other sins?? like Riba or whatever? What's the logic in that?
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I have a friend who drinks. He obviously doesn't mention it to our other friends because of negative attention, but I am well aware of it. I feel as if the Muslims who drink tend to have other issues as well- family, upbringing, faith, relationships, etc. And a lot of people drink because they cite that they don't want to be different from their partying/drinking buddies- that to me just shows that the person is weak and easily influenced... Who knows what else they can compromise on in the future.
also, my friend that I mentioned... He's looking to get married to a non drinker, untouched girl... While he gets his beer goggles on and sleeps around with random girls... I honestly have the view that when you consume things that are prohibited, they can influence your actions.
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How? Explain this if you can.
Some people have the authority to tell about consequences and question others faith for asking questions. You don't understand that (maybe you have never lived in Pakistan).
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Now that you mention it I see the same thing but I don't see it as a bad thing. I'd say it's a blessing that we find these things repulsive (for the most part), whether other things bother us as much or not. One factor that I see that there could be to it is that since we're young, even for people who aren't as religious, pork and alcohol are seen as repulsive and we're taught to avoid them and this becomes a line that we don't want to cross, even if we're not that religious.
I agree with that statement that for many desi Muslims, the reason behind avoiding alcohol/pork is more cultural than religious. My decision not to consume pork has nothing to do with Islam. The idea that pork is gross was ingrained in me from childhood and despite me becoming very "western" in other ways, this is something that stuck. Additionally, I hate the smell of bacon, pepperoni etc. When people ask me why I don't eat pork….this is exactly what I tell them. I don't give them a line about how its against my religion. I fail to understand why is it difficult for others to admit that they don't drink b/c it's not accepted culturally. I just find it ironic when people who don't pray regularly, don't practice hijab, dot n't halal, freely mix w/ the other gender, watch almost naked women on TV on a regular basis etc. jump on the Islam band wagon as soon as alcohol is brought up. Why is it so difficult to say that we don't drink alcohol b/c it's looked down on from a cultural perspective and/or perhaps we simply have no interest in it? It just seems ridiculous to me that so many Muslims choose to control themselves when it comes to alcohol/pork, yet aren't even remotely interested in TRYING to control other behaviors that are also prohibited by Islam.
But if we think that we shouldn't care about alcohol and pork because we have no issues with things x, y and z, then with that same mentality we could also slip into well I'm doing such and such sins, so what's the big deal if I steal, cheat or any other sin. We will always be able to justify any subsequent sins with sins that we're committing prior to them.
I'm not saying that people who don't have issues with x,y,z should not care about alcohol/pork. Quite the opposite. I'm trying to figure out why these same people don't have the same religious intensity when it comes to X,Y,Z? We judge/shun a person who consumes alcohol or pork so easily and throw out Islam as a reason……yet when someone brings up watching the latest Katrina Kaif movie (along with MANY other behaviors prohibited by Islam), no one mentions how we should not watch/promote that b/c of Islam.
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i thnki you peoplne are being very moean to drunk people and sstuff and not leet them rdive and stuff and they ahvxe feelungs too you nkow
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What I fail to understand is how people in their mind justify the hatred toward alcohol/pork.....yet don't see that they themselves are breaking other rules in Islam. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy of it. We want to break other Islamic rules b/c we don't feel like following them....yet when it comes to alcohol/pork, suddenly we're all law abiding Muslims. I have nothing against people who don't drink & won't marry someone who does.....I know non-Muslims who are just as strict about alcohol. I'm just amused by how fast Islam comes out when alcohol/pork is mentioned.
I agree.
By asking this question I am trying to understand the Pakistani mindset that makes alcohol the biggest evil that is bigger than every other moral or religious sin. I am reminded of this mindset by Muslims and non-Muslims of other countries who think Pakistanis have the most twisted moral values where drugs, stealing, lying, rape and even murder is a routine business but you step on their sensitive nerve when asked to eat on the same table where alcohol is served.
I have met Pakistanis who engage in activities like hiring prostitutes for sex and do drugs, they are known to be the most dishonest people and they lie to their families about everything they do yet they brag about never having a sip of alcohol.
How strange.
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This thread is taking a totally ridiculous turn. Some people said they don't drink alcohol because of religion (fair enough, what else were you expecting supposedly Muslim posters to say?) and somehow it's a big issue?
How is alcohol is a "cultural" issue (a typical buzz word in this part of site)? Punjabis from the other side of the border accept social or celebratory drinking as part of their 'culture and lifestyle. However, Punjabis from this side of the border don't even appreciate the mere sight of the alcohol (well majority of them at least). So perhaps logic would say it does have something to do with Islam explicitly declaring alcohol haram? Not exactly nuclear science or is it?
I'm sure there is a hadees somewhere that says how pork, alcohol and all the other haraam stuff impurify your blood or your prayers for certain days arren't accepted, something along those lines.
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When marijuana is legal then why stick to drinking ? For me it's so out of fashion that I won't consider such a person to begin with ...
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I agree.
By asking this question I am trying to understand the Pakistani mindset that makes alcohol the biggest evil that is bigger than every other moral or religious sin. I am reminded of this mindset by Muslims and non-Muslims of other countries who think Pakistanis have the most twisted moral values where drugs, stealing, lying, rape and even murder is a routine business but you step on their sensitive nerve when asked to eat on the same table where alcohol is served. I have met Pakistanis who engage in activities like hiring prostitutes for sex and do drugs, they are known to be the most dishonest people and they lie to their families about everything they do yet they brag about never having a sip of alcohol.
How strange.
Thats quite a bigoted thought in itself.
How can you consider everyone who doesn't drink as murderer, thief, liar or adulterer. Among all Pakistanis freinds i have, only 1 drinks and he is the only one hire goes to prostitutes as well. Even if you go Pakistan these crimes like murder, adultery, theft are more common among those who drink thna those who don't.
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Jolie is right, the thread has taken a wrong turn. The OP asked a simple question and people gave their answers, yet the typical bashing of Pakistanis started. If someone cites a religious reason or cultural/social reason what's wrong with it.