I love moderate peaceful Muslims who are not in your face rude, I like people like that Pharmacist girl Bushra, and Dr. Sameera and my friend’s daughter and many people here who are positive members of the society. A minority of misfits seemed to have hijacked the religion and caused many in this society to hate us. These misfits have caused a great damage to the faith. I don’t want my children to be identified the same as the misfits who are the ideological base for violent people. Do you consider yourself a fit for this society?
Yes, I do consider myself a fit for society. Unlike the accusation you hurled at me in your blog, I do not go around telling girls with blue eyes and blond hair that they will go to hell. I live in the west and I work with non-Muslims and I conduct myself in a civil manner. But since this is a Muslim forum, it’s perfectly alright for me to look at issues from the lens of Islam and to debate them with you. It seems that my questions make you soooooooooo uncomfortable…that you resort to thinking of them as “extreme.”
You are not a positive member for society. This forum represents a chunk of society and you haven’t garnered much respect on here from many members. Respect and admiration is NOT earned by posting photo after photo after photo of the dishes you have cooked or of your children’s outdoor activities. Respect is earned through how you respond to a member. A positive person doesn’t scream “jadoo” to avoid questions about religion…the way you do. That’s how a middle-schooler behaves. A positive person doesn’t dump all moderate Muslims into the extremist group. A positive person does not assume that all sunnis hate shias. A positive person does not assume that a conservatively dressed Muslim will most definitely start screaming at a scantily clad woman on the streets. Forget being positive… You can’t even see your own stereotypes or the other flaws in your thinking, no matter how many members on this forum point them out (respectfully or otherwise).
Show me the halal certified stamp for the forum lol, I have discovered many here who are moderates. Frothing in the mouth screaming ZINA..is a total misfit for the norms of this society. Secondly, just the notion that I allow, disallow anything is another misfit. After age 18 parents here have no business allowing or disallowing. I am just now going to the gym and there will be tons of scantily dressed women on the track and in the pool and in sauna. The gym is my church.
problem is, you are no moderate. you are someone who holds all the paindu racial prejudices but enjoy the freedom from religion that keeps that in check. in other words - worst of both worlds. do the real moderates a favor and stop calling yourself that. mehrbani, brah..
Bobby uncle you are too much. How do you expect others to keep track of all the awesome people in your life by name?
Well put
Hahaa yeah this seems too contrived. Lol.
On a serious note, Bobby jee I would refrain from posting your children’s photos (in case this **** isn’t made up). You’d be surprised how advanced reverse image search technology has become and I’ve seen some ugly incidents happen (where people got personally identified) on a few feminist forums I’m on. I know you can’t refrain from subjecting us all to your awesomeness, but it goes doubly for a forum where no one likes you,
Um.. I think you are very confused in mind between the categorization of religious extremists, normal religious/moderates, liberal and extreme liberal. All moderates will ofcourse go for namaz and will object to zina.
and I dont know why you pointed “scantily dressed women” in gym. Is that the reason you visit gyms? In my gym if you are seen staring at those “scantily dressed women” you’ll be banned from entering. You are lucky you are in Canada, dont try it in a US gym.
All my family is moderate Muslims, our coach is a moderate Muslim they don’t discuss their religion outside their homes and are accepting of diversity and don’t judge people for being in love. My concern for my boy is his safety and well being as there have been incidences of hate at the UNI since he is an athlete he stands out and can be a target. I see hundreds of young people here who have girlfriends, many are also living with them and many of them come from very religious families.
I think men like me don’t look at women but I have seen very religious looking men raping women with their eyes. We had an international uproar in our city because this religious refugee assaulted females at the water park. I do appreciate fit people.
If you can’t accept people’s right to live as they please then there is nothing moderate about it, or is there?
My life turned out exactly as I planned and I have absolutely no regrets, I jump out of the bed with joy, walk with a spring in my step and receive constant love and appreciation from people I meet. I have amazing relationship with my family.
I fought with my boss to get Shamal my desi host promoted, he is only 19, his wages will go up from 27K to 50K. I had also promoted the Gujju guy but had to fire him for lack of motivation. I have given lovely Kalpana at least 8mill in mortgage business and recommended her to other area managers. If I don’t like you then the reason is not skin but maybe lack of hygiene or lack of manners.
So basically you are ok rather you want your son to have sex but just dont want a religious label on that. I get it.
In that case you my friend are in the wrong forum. You should join a anti-religion or anti-Islam or white-supremacist forum and then plea your case there like
You want him to have sex but he is doing mutaa
You want him to get drunk but he is sipping tea..
You want him to try pork but he is still chewing chicken.
and yaadi yaada yaada..
A guy might do mutah with someone else’s behn/beti. Par APNI behn/beti k liye he would want nothing less than mainstream, proper nikkah. Abbas ki agar koi behn hai, to I suspect k he would only want the best for her.
It doesn’t have to be sanctified with a religious stamp, two adults engaging in love is not considered immoral in the society we chose to live in, rather loveless marriages of conveniences to strangers and family pressuring them into that union would be considered horrific here.
Muta sounds like prostitution, you give a girl money and have sex with her for a short duration.
I don’t condone mutaah. It’s not a practice in mainstream Islam. The girl who agreed to a mutaah did so out of her own free will…knowing fully well the terms and conditions…or that’s how it should be.
Now, you seem to think that sex without any kind of marriage contract is superior to a mutaah or even a nikkah. Why?
At least the girl that entered the mutaah got money, she is legally his wife, and should be entitled to legal benefits that a wife can receive.
The “other” guys are not paying a haq mehr…but they are still also “paying” …in the form of flowers, or gifts, or a dinner date, or a round of free drinks at the bar…or a few utterances of insincere “I love you’s”…all done with the END GOAL of him either going to “her place” or “his place” to get laid. Later on, the girl might hope that the guy will “call back” and that he’d want to see her again…only he either disappears or backs out with lame excuses. How is THAT kind of lifestyle SUPERIOR to mutaah or nikkah? The answer is that it’s not better at all. And before you go on and on about the girls out there who are more promiscuous than the men, well that doesn’t make them better than prostitutes.
Without any divine contract or some fear of khudaa, people will just do whatever and whenever. Kind of like how folks slow down when the cop is around but will speed up and put their own lives and that of others in jeopardy when there’s no police car to fear. Society needs rules and boundaries otherwise it will be chaos. Similarly even sexual urges are best exercised within boundaries…as that prevents the spread of disease and many other societal ills. Peeing and pooping is a natural urge too but we do it within boundaries. Do it freely and openly and it leads to the spread of gandagi, bayhayaai, disease, and just general tabaahi.
The societies based on secular laws have more morality than the ones based on divine laws, if there was fear of God in religious societies then please explain molestation of 85 percent of street children. When I studied there in a coed school there were scores of girls sneaking out of the schools with boys, my industrialist friend had liaisons with dozens of married women the difference here is people don’t do the stuff sneakily.
You should go out a bit, these girls are strong and independent they are not waiting for the guys to call back the boys chase them for years before they say yes. Most of our area managers are making more than their partners and don’t need to be spent upon. That narrative of men being provider and protector is history.
Being with someone you know, who is your friend, who you are attracted to, who makes you happy, who you have a mental and physical chemistry with is a thousand times better than marrying a stranger.
Also the more they do it there is no Tabahii..lol, things keep on improving, including wealth, life expectancy, fitness etc. Things are infinitely better than when sex was a taboo.
