I don’t know what is wrong with teenagers and they always want to do the opposite of what their dad tells them. My boy at UNI started hanging out with this desi guy from Africa who is brainwashing him into being religious. This guy Abbas is asking him to do Mutta with his girlfriend. How do UNIs attract such weirdos and what is this mutta anyways. And if he was to do Mutta how would he explain the concept to his highly progressive and intellectual girlfriend. I heard Saudis are doing Muttas in Indonesia to make prostitution halal.
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Being religious is not such a bad thing. Mutaa was banned by the Prophets SAWS. Now, if you were to inform your son about this prohibition, then hopefully he will not associate this practice with mainstream Islam or the majority of Muslims…and therefore will not attempt to explain it to his “highly progressive and intellectual girlfriend.”
I would be more worried if…as a parent…I had done my best to educate my child about Islam and boundaries in relationships and then they’re still being wrongly influenced by their peers. However, if as a parent, I myself had not set any boundaries and gave them khulli azaadi to do whatever and explore and explore and explore some more…then I’m part of the problem and have more to worry about than the uni zealot trying to “brainwash” my kid. 
Now if the kid, mashaAllah se, does show an inclination for the need of boundaries in his romantic relationships…then as a parent…why not teach him the boundaries of MAINSTREAM Islam (nikkah)…so that kid has the right information.
I seriously hope, Bobby, that this thread will not be about you trying to convince us that being religious is detrimental for the world, or that all Muslims are like this, or event that mutah is a mainstream practice.
This is gonna be a another maachis ke teeli …
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When I used to study religion I never came across a credible hadith banning Mutta, Saudis are traveling all over the world engaging in Muttas. I did teach him my morals, since he is long distance and gets a lot of attention from females he thought he could have girls there also and I told him to be faithful, I told him to be respectful, pay attention to her needs, call her on a daily basis and buy her gifts and flowers. To my eyes she is a keeper, she is aspiring to be a doctor, she is a black belt second degree and is a hunter who is very good with firearms. They know each other since kindergarten.
Saudis are mainstream. I don’t have a problem with him wanting to be religious but I told him to not advertise it and it has to stay within the confines of his living quarters.
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@**REDVELVET : Did you ask him to provide you with details of how his son’s girlfriend is like? **
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Mutaa is more a Shia thing I think and Misyar is the Sunni equivalent (there are differences, one being Misyar does not come with a set amount of time at the beginning)..
Both tend to be discouraged, for obvious reasons..
I wouldn’t call Saudis “mainstream”.. Most Muslims don’t practice Wahabbism and are not as conservative..
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It is relevant because if you date a smart accomplished versatile girl you don’t say dumb chit to her. If she was a dumb unaccomplished broad then go ahead be stupid and she won’t drop you like a hot potato. I dont know why these weirdos get drawn to him so much, he gave him a prayer bead and tons of clothes. I spent mylife sheltering them from these kinds of people.
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Mutta was practiced in Hadrat Abu Bakar’s (RA) Caliphate and there were no Shias then. I am thinking Saudis would know more about religion than people who the converted from Hinduism. I didn’t know about Misyar, I will read about it.
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Well, if the liberal guys who are lax about religion and go around misleading girls and using them have the right to get a uni education…then so does the guy who believes in Mutah. The mutah-practicing guy was attracted to the uni…because he desired an education…desires a degree, etc etc. Not hard, Bobby.
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Bobby Uncle… in few years you will going to be grandpa of your son’s children…
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But the Bobby Ji…even the Christians and people of other religions (besides Islam) also use the prayer beads. Nobody is a putting a gun to your son’s head to use the prayer beads…much less to hang out with this guy. C’mon now…I’m sure you’ve taught your kids that “Beta if you don’t like a gift, just smile and say thank you…and then chuck it if you ain’t gonna use it…or regift it to someone else.” Is it really worth getting so upset about and creating a thread over it. Same thing with clothes, Bobby ji. If someone gifts me clothes I don’t like…I smile..and say thank you…and re-gift. Not a big deal. And besides…agar aap ka beta tasbeeh parh bi lega…to kaun si qayamat aa jaye gi? LOL.
Why does the giving of prayer beads and clothes SCARE you so much more than…let’s say…Bible Thumpers or them Jehova’s Witnesses who come to your home…or stop you in the streets…to give you a Bible?
AT LEAST…the prayer beads and the clothes don’t contain verses or ayats or scripture. Oh Bobby Jee…you’re being dramatic again. 
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Maybe you should go out a bit more often, there are a lot more girls misleading guys. Out of all the young guys hanging at our home the guys didnt cheat on girls, it was the other way around and I have seen both Charlie and Justin cry because they got cheated on. I think Abbas is a foreign student and people who have ideologies that conflict with society shouldn’t be allowed in
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I don’t have a problem with him having a faith he can pray lots but my opinion is that religion should not be advertised as it can become a safety issue and he can be discriminated against. I told him both my Grandfather and uncle were killed because of their faith during partition.
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So exciting, I want a chubby Chekoslavakian grandson, I will name him VIKTOR.
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lol Bobby, you don’t know nearly as much as you think you do..
Saudis tend to follow a much more conservative form of Islam than most.. Since when is wearing the face veil “mainstream” for example?
As an apparent Muslim am surprised you’ve somehow not grasped that (as well as the fact that mutaa is not something that Sunni Muslims do)..
Looks like you just created this story and not been able to get the details quite right
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is this the 12 yr old kayaker dolphin? or the other 12 yr old dolphin kayaker?
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I’d say don’t debate Mutta with your kid. You have to discuss religion with him first. Does he believe in a god? Does he believe in a religion? Does he know what other people believe in? Does he know why some people feel the need for gods? Does he feel the need for a god in his life?
If you don’t ask these questions, if you don’t help him, someone else will. Currently it’s Abbas who’s helping your kid on this “discover religion” quest.
Abbas being religious doesn’t necessarily make him a weirdo. Some people believe in stuff others don’t. It’s as simple as that. It’s your kid who isn’t equipped to interact with the really devout.
And be glad Abbas didn’t ask your kid to blow himself up somewhere. Now that’d be something.
TLDR: Educate your kid about religion. That stuff is dangerous and knowledge is power.
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So who is mainstream Islam, it isn’t the Shias and it isn’t the Saudis. Why was Mutta allowed in Hadrat Abu Bakkars (RA) time?
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He is 19, he is studying Engineering out of Province in British Columbia, his long distance gf is in our town.
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Thank you, I think he has a need to rebel and exert his independence, I spoke with my wife and you are totally right and she says he is curious and I need to have a good discussion with him, he is being a hypocrite as he loves to party and loves girls. My concerns are that a mosque in town had radicalized many young men and families lost their sons. The reason I am scared of Abbas is why the hell is he trying to brainwash my boy, my boy is in the fraternity etc. I will ask his gf to take him to Church also so he understands that different people believe in different things. My wife thinks he will try to convert her.
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Just because he loves partying doesn’t mean he is not at risk. Anjem Choudry was a party animal and look at him now.
Hmm. Maybe this is about his need to be a rebel but it might also have something to do with his need to belong to something bigger. Maybe it’s him trying to figure out his purpose in life.
For me, in my religious heydays, it was definitely about the sense of purpose religion gave me. Just being certain about what’s right and what’s wrong because god said so.
This video is somewhat related to the thread. Not closely related but I just started watching it and loving it so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9rTbh4a57o