Re: A unified India?
I dont think the Baluch ppl can claim any fear of genocide.
Your not making much sense. I understand you hold anti Pakistani views, its ok, but plz dont assume the situation is any more dramatic then it is. Its a small scale irritation, one which does not need "seperation".
Besides, sort Assam and the other half dozen issues of seperation in India out and then advise us. :)
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^ why do you want to set our priorities? may be we'd like to sort the Pakistan separation issue first!:D
BTW why do you conclude Baluchis can't scream ill treatrment and genocide? they have as much right to yell whatever they want as Pakistani Indians did!
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Yes, you'd like to sort it out!
We have no interest in a United India (unless its united under Muslim rule :p )...
Does India want Pakistan back? I dont know....you clearly do.
The only problem is that we are not interested. Which means that short of a full scale military method, its a pipe dream. And, I reckon we'd rather see the land destroyed them "remerged" with India....unless unification meets the condition laid out above.
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Pakistani Indians? 
Oh they can yell all they want, even the most ardent anti Pakster cannot claim such levels of maltreatment in Baluchistan.
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^ see, you are making that same mistake again - my question was NOT about remerging. It is quite simply this: Why can't the Baluchis want to and separate from Pakistan just like Pakistan did from India? Why do you consider the Baluchis cannot have the same rights that the Pakistanis exercised?
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As the Baluchi ppl are not facing the same level of threat the Muslims did in post British India. We wont run amuck and murder 3000 of them, or tear down places of worship, or burn there shop keepers alive, or mass rape the women there....
Thats the difference.
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what about bangaldesh?
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^ and that was the exact same state then - yet would be Paksitanis claimed all kinds of 'potential threat'. So why would you deny that very same right to the Baluchis?
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atlantis bro...the sikhs also wanted to seperate from India and make a Khalistan. why didn't India agree to that? I know what u r going to say but i will put this post anyways...see no country wud want their states to seperate. India didnot allow it in case of Punjab & Kashmir and I respect that .....Similarly Pakistan is not gonna allow it in case of Baluchistan
BTW i really admire KPS Gill for putting an end to Punjab Voilence
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^ exactly - so why would it be ok for Pakistan to split from India but not Baluchistan to split from Pakistan?
In case I wasn't specifi enough, let me ask more clearly:
why would it be ok for Pakistan to split from India but not Baluchistan to split from Pakistan?
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here we go again on unified india...tell ur country to do something abt it then mate...tell them to get pakistan back...buluchistan is our part and we will keep it...now pls don't keep on saying "exactly" pakistan part of india...and remember Baluchistan "is" a part of Pakistan....Pakistan "was" a part of India...If indian government wanted to do something abt it they shud have done it at that time...otherwise keep on crying...in any case dude why don't we pakistanis cry that bangladesh was split from us...we have forgotten about it...u shud also forget abt getting pakistan....case closed :D
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we all fking live on the same planet and some ppl are fighting as if they want to unite neptune and jupiter.. forget it ppl and go home. its like ur chacha coming over to ur house and wanting to live with his family along with urs zabardasti.. akhir chacha hi hain magar reality alagh baat hai.. lets love those across the border.. whether we are indian or pakistani but lets not try to bind them.
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ok this thread is going a bit too off track and not leading to any meaningful discussion...
for one thing, ppl of balochistan and pre partition muslims of india are not comparable with respect to their desires and so called wants of so called freedom. they dont have any hindu muslim grudges like the prepartition southasians did. theirs are politically cultivated and popularized issues raised only by the dominating tribal elders of the area who want complete freedom to keep indulged in their smugglings, landholdings, autonomy, lawlessness, slavery and so on...ever wonder why the issues are being so highlighted most recently? the presence of the armed forces in search of terrorists has put them under watch...and that they just hate. they just need to be showed the true face of things to shut their outragous rebellions up.
so Atlantis thats as far as te connection between balochistan in 2005 has with india-pakistan of 1947-48. materialistic, selffocused not spiritually or principally motivated.
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yeah haris i am trying to explain it to him but he does not understand...samajhta nahin hai yaar atlantis
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^ you guys are some piece of work! I'll try just one more time to get it through your rock solid craniums. THIS IS NOT ABOUT TAKING PAKISTAN BACK AND MERGING IT WITH INDIA. now, sit down, take a breadth, drink some water and be ready for the next piece of infiormation.
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ready? sure? here goes.
why is it ok for pakistanis to want to hold on to baluchistan even if baluchis don't want to be part of pakistan? but it's not ok for Indians to want hold on to pakistan? or kashmir?
phew!
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Haris, if you or others still don't get the question, fine...please close thread and do your modly thing!
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go back to post #92.... jai hind
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Atlantis, the question has been clear all along, its the comparison thats senseless…for one thing the Baluchis’ freedom requests are just a murmur…they are NOT WHAT ALL BALOCHIS WANT! its just a fraction and they want it for personal reasons…what those are is a diff issue and if you need to know more abt them do some research on the history of baluchi tribals…So until such time that Balochis (God Forbid) demand freedom from pakistan for some bizarre reason, the comparison or such questions are irrelevant in sense…and, if they have no valid reason for demanding sepeartion like the Kashmiris have for demanding freedom from India, why would any pakistani consider it ok for them to have their will…for seemingly no good reason except being able to do their own and be totally lawless and smuggle all they can…Kashmiris have been whining and dying for freedom on grounds of religion, principle, historic pacts and atrocities by indian forces and still all indians dont find it good enough reason for them to demand freedom. why should we be ok with balochis IF they EVER demand freedom etc with such ferocity…
the diff between seperation through treason, or freedom struggle is a thin line. and its decided by the nature of the reason for which the sepeartion is sought.
its been 34 years since East Pakistan became Bangladesh, no one has ever been able to decide whether it was treason by the Bengali Pakistanis or real time well desired freedom.
About Pakistan coming out of India, the 2 nation theory seems to say it all. plus the last minute hindu-English alliances to undermine Muslim power in the area played a catalyst and gave the muslims more reason to seek seperation.
one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s traitor but to judge properly ask a 3rd party, and in case of India Pakistan Bangladesh, make sure the 3rd party is not India!
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^ long winded regurgitation of the same stuff - against India it's justified but against pakistan all it's is the personal reason of a 'few people'. But it wasn't somehow 'personal reasons' of Jinnah then? So your view is more people have to drink the cool aid in baluchistan. OK whatever.
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Baluchs are NOT fighting for separation/independence. The occasional rebellion is for greater provincial autonomy and dispute over the control of resources.
Pakistani govt/military needs to make sure that they dont make the
same mistake as they did in 1971. It is about time that Baluchistan
gets its fair share of the resources and greater autonomy. I think
Indians are taking advantage of the situation and are helping create
chaos through subversion. The power-hungry feudal Baluch Sardars need
to be controlled as well who manipulate the Baluch masses. Education,
job-creation, and land-owning reforms need to be promoted. Good thing
is that Baluch (the few militants) are just rebelling against
Pakistani govt policies and are not demanding separation/independence
from Pakistan. Baluch have all the reasons to remain a part of
Pakistan:
Baluchs share a similar/common history with the rest of Pakistanis
such as Harappan, Aryan, Scythian, Parthian, etc. periods.
Baluchs share a similar/common language with the rest of
Pakistanis such as belonging to the Indo-Iranian family of languages
and the Perso-Arabic writing script.
Baluchs share a similar/common culture with the rest of Pakistanis
such as the dress, many foods, customs, etc.
Baluchs share a similar/common race with the rest of Pakistanis
being mostly Caucasoid.
Baluchs share a common economy with the rest of Pakistanis such as
natural energy resources/raw materials vs agricultural products/water.
Baluchs share a common geography with the rest of Pakistanis, with
close proximity to Indus river and its tributaries.
Baluchs share a common religion with the rest of Pakistanis,
namely Sunni Islam.
There are more Baluchs and their descendents in the rest of
Pakistan than in Baluchistan itself.
Baluchistan is almost 50% non-Baluch with large populations of
Pakhtuns, Brauhis, Jats, and Afghans.
A large portion of Baluch land is situated in southeast Iran, and
a small portion in southern Afghanistan.
Khanate of Kalat, representing as rulers of most of Baluchistan
then, clearly acceded to join Pakistan despite all accusations of
pressure. Other parts of Baluchistan such as Gwadar region were given
to Pakistan by Oman. Baluchistan is legally a part of Pakistan.
Unlike Kashmir, Baluchistan is not a disputed territory per
international law/UN.
Baluchistan has been victim of political instability .. namely
inter-tribal warfare, feudal exploitation/manipulation (i.e. by the
powerful Baluch sardars, nawabs, etc), Al-Quaida influencial
elements, influx of refugees, control of natural resources,
distribution of wealth/jobs, provincial development, etc. that are
mostly responsible for the occasional disputes with Pak govt.