A unified India?

[rvikz]

Re: A unified India?

@fatalist

indians should stop whining now and get on with it, and the indians here who are saying that indians dont think about reunification should read their own posts, lamers

only it worked in germany because the devision is not due religen.
even relgen wont make other countries like iran to merge with pakistan.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

@fatalist

indians should stop whining now and get on with it, and the indians here who are saying that indians dont think about reunification should read their own posts, lamers

actually fatalist, Indians think about it a lot and many even wish Bihar was included in the deal! …happy now?

so, are you ready now to admit you shouldn’t let pakistan crush the wishes of the Baluchs?

[system]

Re: A unified India?

@nikhil25

and why is that? how would india benefit from such a process? pakistani self-flattery has birthed this alleged widespread longing for pakistan amongst indians. lol, on what basis have you made this analysis of indian egos and deep-seeded desires? clearly your fantasies. what a joke. indians aren’t blind…we see exactly what pakistan has become, as well as the paths both our countries are on. who are you kidding?

believe me, if indians had any doubts over whether or not secularism was the right path…all one has to do is look across either border and compare status. that alone will cure any insecurities that an indian might have about india’s path.

what has pakistan proven? there is probably more per capita religious violence than in india. if you are trying to say that a secular democracy was the wrong way to go…and some how pakistan’s current status and gujarat riots are a testament to that…then you’re delusional. india’s secular democracy is what is propelling it to new heights at this very moment, you’d be a fool to think they’d look back in regret…especially over pakistan. if anything, the gap between the two countries (which is only widening) will do that exact opposite to what you are suggesting…and remove any inklings of bitterness over partition rather than create a longing for pakistan. just think about it.

Bro, I admit we are a horrible country and we have a lot more problems then you do.. But honestly, you know as well as I do that as much as you deny it, we are the eternal thorn in your side. We will always be the part of India that got away. As you scramble to solidfy whats left of India and brag on and on about your vaunted unity, you will always have us breathing down your knecks, just to remind you.

[system]

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^ so why would you settle for being the thorn in the butt when you can be the butt?

[system]

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@Atlantis

^ so why would you settle for being the thorn in the butt when you can be the butt?

Because the Butt smells bad!

[Haris]

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Guppies,
if you cant have sober discussions without mudslinging we'll have to close all contentious threads which could otherwise have been of productive discussions. kindly be careful with words and phrases.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

^ Haris, it was just friendly banter - I am fairly certain PP1 also was doing the same thing. This is actually one of the more sober discussions around here don't you think? Cheers

[desinum1]

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@Gamma Dilation

guys when ever there is a debate… just mention that indians have gujratis and biharis… enough said!.

Check mate… we rule..

Ganma (meaning.. up your rear end),
yeah.. and don’t forget mr. poonja (aka Jinnah) was a grandson of GUJRATI HINDU BANIA. you suck… sorrry.. i mean Ganma..enough said!

[desinum1]

Re: A unified India?

@Pak Brave Heart

listen we did kargil even when your country is 7 times larger, while you couldn’t handle a country(china) your own size and started diarea in aksai chin.

uncle Samji…hum ko bachao…remember? that was 4th of july 1999…when Nawaz had to run to President clinton and do a monica lewinski. The 4th of july should be celebrated as independence day for new truncated pakistan(as opposed to pre 1971) as this prevented pakisatan from becoming many mini-pakisatans.

listen we did kargil even when your country is 7 times larger,

you are wrong! substituting for your madrassah math formula..1 muslim solder = 10 hindus. => 7pakis < 7pakis/10 or pakis > hindus/10…QED.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

@Atlantis

^ Haris, it was just friendly banter - I am fairly certain PP1 also was doing the same thing. This is actually one of the more sober discussions around here don’t you think? Cheers

Mine was more statement of fact regarding Butt’s in general:)
No offence to the butt itself.

[system]

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^ no one will doubt your word - after all it looks like your fav subject!

[Ranjhan]

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@nikhil25

lol, indians don’t want reunification with pakistan. as for the tiny minority that express these sentiments…i have no idea why pakistanis take it as flattery, like so many guppies do. those people don’t desire pakistan and pakistanis or have any admiration for the country…they just want the land back…they see it as stolen territory. if you notice, the types that propagate that idea are the ones who hate pakistan the most - usually hindu hardliners, fundie nationalists, etc.

Actually Indians seem pretty desperate to have us back, I’ve heard Indian politicians wanting the ‘Berlin wall’ to go down and everyday Indians I speak to hint this in one way or another and I so consider it ( ) sometimes but the problem with Indians who want us to be one country is they want the land back and are accepting of us but not our religion, they have Islamaphobia, and Islam is ingrained within our souls.

Hindu Fanatics, hardcore Tilak-Wearing, crippled impotent Saffron “Tiger” types however consider the land of the Sindhu and it’s inhabitants to be ‘filthy’ so they’re happy without us, I don’t blame them our flesh eating Paki Lions are taking all the Hindu Sikh Chickas in Britain, same going to happen back home if we unite.

The Sardarjis don’t want us to unite neither, their reasons I could understand though because of what the barbaric Mughals and Afghans did to the Gurus,
I’m not Sikh or believe it to be true but I respect it and the Sikh Gurus and hate them scum Afghans and Mughals but those guys don’t see it like that they just paint all us Musulmans with the same brush.

[nikhil25]

Re: A unified India?

@Ranjhan

Actually Indians seem pretty desperate to have us back, I’ve heard Indian politicians wanting the ‘Berlin wall’ to go down and everyday Indians I speak to hint this in one way or another and I so consider it ( ) sometimes but the problem with Indians who want us to be one country is they want the land back and are accepting of us but not our religion, they have Islamaphobia, and Islam is ingrained within our souls.

Hindu Fanatics, hardcore Tilak-Wearing, crippled impotent Saffron “Tiger” types however consider the land of the Sindhu and it’s inhabitants to be ‘filthy’ so they’re happy without us, I don’t blame them our flesh eating Paki Lions are taking all the Hindu Sikh Chickas in Britain, same going to happen back home if we unite.

you are severely misinformed…the hindu fanatics that you mentioned are virtually the ONLY ones interested in reclaiming Pakistan, like i explained earlier…they see it as a loss of Hindu land. the indian politicians that have made such comments (very few and far between, i might add), are from Hindu hardline parties and organizations. your information is exactly backwards in this regard. and as you said, yes they are Islamophobes. and the rest of India has no interest in reclaiming an Islamic state. why would it? as far as the notion that India wants pakistan to prove its secularity…the reality is that India still has more (if not equal now) muslims than pakistan…so that surely isn’t a reason.

The Sardarjis don’t want us to unite neither, their reasons I could understand though because of what the barbaric Mughals and Afghans did to the Gurus,
I’m not Sikh or believe it to be true but I respect it and the Sikh Gurus and hate them scum Afghans and Mughals but those guys don’t see it like that they just paint all us Musulmans with the same brush.

the only sardarjis looking for unification are khalistanis that want to reunite the 3 Punjabs into a Khalistan…with the capitol being Lahore. the rest are like all other indians…who have no interest in pakistan and bangladesh whatsoever. not one of you has put up one decent reason as to how india would benefit (let alone enough to outweigh the burden/cost) from such a proposition.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

@nikhil25

you are severely misinformed…the hindu fanatics that you mentioned are virtually the ONLY ones interested in reclaiming Pakistan, like i explained earlier…they see it as a loss of Hindu land. the indian politicians that have made such comments (very few and far between, i might add), are from Hindu hardline parties and organizations. your information is exactly backwards in this regard. and as you said, yes they are Islamophobes. and the rest of India has no interest in reclaiming an Islamic state. why would it? as far as the notion that India wants pakistan to prove its secularity…the reality is that India still has more (if not equal now) muslims than pakistan…so that surely isn’t a reason.

the only sardarjis looking for unification are khalistanis that want to reunite the 3 Punjabs into a Khalistan…with the capitol being Lahore. the rest are like all other indians…who have no interest in pakistan and bangladesh whatsoever. not one of you has put up one decent reason as to how india would benefit (let alone enough to outweigh the burden/cost) from such a proposition.

The reason they want it back is precicly because of the fact that " they see it as a loss of Hindu land," forget that they had lost this land long before…
Why not just admit the obvious, that India is far more obssesed with having Pakistan back then vice versa.

[system]

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@PaKpatriot1

The reason they want it back is precicly because of the fact that " they see it as a loss of Hindu land," forget that they had lost this land long before…
Why not just admit the obvious, that India is far more obssesed with having Pakistan back then vice versa.

is that the same emotion that make Pakistan not want to give up Baluchistan? Rememer that was the question we started with - why is it ok for Pakistanis to want to hang on to Baluchistan but not ok for Indians to want to hold on to Pakistan?

[legbreakgoogly]

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@Pak Brave Heart

nobody in pakistan wants Bangladesh to join again. Pakistan is better off without bangladesh. As of baluchistan, it is part of Pakistan and we are building Gawadar port there that will rival Dubai inshallah.

As of India thing, nobody in Pakistan wants to be part of Hindu India. Pakistan is good as it is. We are free. Our economy has turned around and growing by 7% this year. Debt servicing for international loans has come down from 60% in 1999 of budget to 30% now.

And I have never seen a Pakistani restaurant claiming to be an indian restaurant. Our food is different then your hindu vegetarian food. You don’t have Nihari, Paey, etc. We are heavy meat eaters and you are historially vegetarian.

We pakistanis have a different identity and we don’t consider being part of a group along with Indian hindus in general.

Beautiful. I should buy you a present for expressing our opinion so well.

But seriously, we have no beef with India. We need peace, but not unification. A Muslim homeland means that Muslims are free to live without fear, which as evidenced by the plight of Muslims in Kashmir and Gujrat, is something they do not have in India.

Pakistan allows those who wish to be observant Muslims to do so without fear, whilst those who dont are not forced too. Its the best arrangement.

I care little for the religious angle, I am limited in my practice of Islam, but the freedom of pious Muslims to live without any concern is most important. Its a political view of Islamic independance from Hindu India which is most convincing.

[legbreakgoogly]

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@Atlantis

is that the same emotion that make Pakistan not want to give up Baluchistan? Rememer that was the question we started with - why is it ok for Pakistanis to want to hang on to Baluchistan but not ok for Indians to want to hold on to Pakistan?

Why are you then forcibly holding on to Assam and all the other parts of India which have a few crannks crying for seperation?

Balochistan is not in revolt. Its a few clowns.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

^ exactly my point - why should pakistan get a different treatment than Baluchistan or Assam ?

[legbreakgoogly]

Re: A unified India?

No, you seem to be saying that its hypocritical for Pak to hold Baluchistan, but dont seem to concerned with giving Assam what it seems to want.

Personally, I feel that the dynamics of 1947 were unique, in the wake of British Imperialism (and World War 2), the emotions were hightened and choices were made. India's treatment of Muslims from time to time shows that Pakistan was a fine choice.

It has its problems, but atleast the Muslims dont have to worry abt mini-genocides at the drop of a hat, or at the ridicule of Hindus who harbor tremendous ill will towards them, itself a product of a turbulent and trying history which we cannot change.

[system]

Re: A unified India?

^ which are the exact same points the Baluchistanis make!