A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT

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[quote=“CheGuvera”]

indeed!! I am 10000% agree with that:

in Sahih Muslim we read:

This hadith has been narrated. on the authority of Shu’ba with the same chain of transmitters. Amir b. Sa’d b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that Muawiya b. Abi Sufyin appointed Sa’d as the Governor and said: What prevents you from abusing Abu Turab (Hadrat 'Ali), whereupon be said: It is because of three things which I remember Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said about him that I would not abuse him and even if I find one of those three things for me, it would be more dear to me than the red camelg. I heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) say about 'Ali as he left behind hrin in one of his campaigns (that was Tabuk). 'All said to him: Allah’s Messenger, you leave me behind along with women and children. Thereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Aren’t you satisfied with being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there is no prophethood after me. And I (also) heard him say on the Day of Khaibar: I would certainly give this standard to a person who loves Allah and his Messenger and Allah and his Messenger love him too. He (the narrator) said: We have been anxiously waiting for it, when he (the Holy Prophet) said: Call 'Ali. He was called and his eyes were inflamed. He applied saliva to his eyes and handed over the standard to him, and Allah gave him victory. (The third occasion is this) when the (following) verse was revealed:" Let us summon our children and your children." Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) called 'Ali, Fitima, Hasan and Husain and said: O Allah, they are my family.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5915

In her letter, Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) wrote to Muawiyah: “…**You are cursing Allah and His messenger on your minbar, ****and that is because you are cursing Ali Ibn Abi Talib and whomever ****loves him, and I am a witness that Allah and His messenger loved him.” **But no one paid any Attention to what she said.
Sunni reference: al-Aqd al-Fareed, v2, p300

“That it was in the days of Bani Umayyah, more than seventy thousand minbar (in mosques) upon which they cursed Ali Ibn Abi-Talib, in some of what Muawiyah made a Sunnah for them.”
Sunni references:

  • Rabeea’ al-Abrar, al-Zamakhshari
  • al-Hafidh Jalaluddin al-Suyuti

Thanx again for saying the truth. :smiley:

hmm :rolleyes: , Are you sure what you are saying. There are numerous ahadith recorded in “Shahiheen” showing shaba cursing each other.

here a chotee see jhalak:

Tarekh Al-Khulefa

Muawiyah and Jaria Bin Qadama’h S’adi Cursing eachother

(Also shows the enmity and grudge of Muawiyah aginst imam Ali (as) )

So by cursing those who curse the sahaba you are indirectly cursing yourself. huh??!! :konfused:

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hmm, then they should also know what The Rasul of Allah said:

**The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: If one while praying between ****the Rukn and Maqam (near Ka’bah) and fasting, dies but with the hate ****of the family of Muhammad, he will enter the Fire. And **he who abuses **my Ahlul-Bayt is verily an apostate and is driven out of Islam. **And he who inflicts pain on my progeny upon him is the curse of Allah. And he ****who hurts me by hurting my progeny has verily hurt/angered Allah. ****Certainly Allah has made Paradise forbidden to he who does injustice ****to my Ahlul-Bayt, or kills them, or assists against them, or abuses them.

Sunni reference: al-Sawa’iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Ch. 11,
p357 who said this tradition is authentic.

**Actuelly Impulse has posted a very interested ayah:

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And The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) had frequently said:

“Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry.”

Sunni references:

  • Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111
  • Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5

in “al Milal wa al Nihal” Volume 1 page 77 “Dhiky Nizameeya” states:

“The Nizameeya believe that Umar struck the stomach of the daughter of Rasulullah (s), that resulted in her losing the child in her womb. [They also believe] Umar had threatened to set fire to the house, including those inside, this included 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan, Husayn and others”.

Hanafi scholar al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Haqq Dehlavi in *Murujj al Nubuwwa *“Chapter 4, the events of 2 Hijri ‘Tajweez Fatima’”:

“Allah (swt) gave Fatima and 'Ali the following five children, Hasan, Husayn, Zeyneb, Umme Kalthum and Muhsin, who was martyred following the Ummah’s oppression, this illness and pain led to the death of Fatima”.

He places the blame for this action on the Ummah, without mentioning the chief architect of this aggression. We know from the other accounts that it was Umar who dealt the fatal blow. Umar MURDERED BOTH Fatima (as)'s unborn child Muhsin (as) and Fatima (as) herself, who died a few months later from her injuries.

In Quran we read:

[Shakir 4:93] And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.

moreover Naseem al Riyadh Volume 3 page 410 that Rasulullah (s) declared:

“On the Day of Judgement you will be assessed on the way that you had treated the Qur’an and on the way that you treated my Ahl’ul bayt (as) / whether you respected them. Whatever pleases them, pleases me, and whatever pains them cause me pain”

Umar through his malicious act caused pain towards the Ahl’ul bayt (as), he issued a threat to set ablaze their home, burning them inside, he failed to heed the words of Rasulullah (s) - namely ‘whoever pains them pains me’. Sayyida Fatima (as) suffered so immensely that she cried before Rasulullah (s) with regards to her suffering and did do by reciting a tragic prose highlighting the pain that she had been subjected to.

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Zer01 can you quit judging people…you were not there to see these things that you mention. Just restrict your self to Quarn my friend. Please for Allah’ sake quit your “tuhmat bazi” on Aisha the wife of Prophet:saw:. You guys get so low to prove your proint that you forget that in your logic you start questioning prophet :saw: and his decisions. Do you think that he would have married Aisha, if such things were part of her charcter. So stop your mudslinging and call for help from Ali:ra: to open your zero brain.

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kaleem..........everyone agrees that Prophet Noahs (pbuh) wife was a bad woman.........why did the Prophet of Allah marry a bad woman?

so she was a wife of a prophet as well..does that mean she is umul momineen?

think about it
i be back

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Sheraz CT, there is a big difference here. Noah's wife never did accept Islam(or whatever religion you want to call it, Noah was preaching). Hazrat Ayesha did. I only ask you guys to seperate emotions and leave the judgement to Allah. None of us were there to observe what happened. You only read what the biased writer wants you to read. Levae the judgement to Allah, HE can sort these things out, He does not need our help.

kar le kar le ek sawal kar le........
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zer01 - I am not deoband. And as I said use the quran to answer our questions, seeing you do not beleive in the shahi hadiths, and reject your books when they prove you wrong.

So please try again, with a little more logic this time.

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Lahol Wallah!! wher did i start tuhmat bazi. you wanna read my comments on that filth what’s written in The So Called “SAHIH” book, then read this! (the part under the 2nd last quote) :mad:

Strange that, that nasibi posted some filth for Rasul’s (saww) beloved daughter, the leader of Jannah’s women and one of the four best women according to rasul (saww) (Aiysha is not among them if you dont know) but you never reacted that way. This is what I call munafiqat.

May the curse of Allah be upon the enemies of Ahle Bait (as)

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Read Post No. 102again with open eyes. or get some english tutor.

How long...
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Zero sahib, I dont get involved in character assassination of companions of prophet:saw:. I leave those judgements to Allah. I am not an enemy of prophet:saw: or his family. You, however, are another story. You induldge in calling names and highlighting ghareeb ahadith to prove your point and spread illogical claims. This is the exact thing prophet:saw: and Hazrat Ali:ra: was against. So quit your zero brain while you are ahead.

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zer01 - Where are the refrences from the Quran, to answer my questions?

Don't post your filth here, this thread is not for your kind to come in here and bash sunnis. This thread was opened so an unignorant person can answer our questions. Which has not been done so far.

So if you are not going to stick to the topic and answer my questions, like I asked you to answer. Don't post at all.

CONGRATZ P@GL!
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nice try!! :p

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Yes it was a nice try to derail the thread by you. Now answer the questions as asked, or keep your mouth shut.

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Surah 9. Repentance, Dispensation
101. Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty.

Need we say anymore.

And one more thing: I know we can never convince you that some of the sahaba were not true in their heart towards Islam. Not a problem. But if you really are honest and respect AhlulBait as you say then please join me in cursing ALL of the AhlulBait's enemy without naming anybody. I know your answer "We don't curse anybody" even though you curse IBLEES every day.

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MAKRANI - That ayya you posted, can be used the other way too. It can be used to say that all those who say they love the Prophet, but in reality they don't by insulting his dear companions and beloved wife. That is also hypocricy.

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I did not curse any sahaba or any of the prophets PBUH wife. Read my post again.

Are you going to join me in cursing all the enemies of AhlulBait?

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If you do not curse the Sahabas and the Wives of the Prophet, then the question is not for you. And it has not been answered.

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Please answer my question if it is not too much bother.

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If it involves cursing any of the Prophets family and companions, who have been wrongly accused of being the enemies of the Ahlul Bait, I shall not join you. But if you are to curse the real enemies of the Ahlul Bait, who only ALLAH is aware of, then I shall join you. And we shall also curse those, who curse the Sahaba and the wives of the Prophet (PBUH) (who are infact part of the Prophet's family), and wrongly accuse them, for insulting them is insulting the Prophet.

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so u think the sahaba were called “desert arabs”???
the aaraab were bedouins…
and i dont recall any of the famous sahaba who was a bedouin…

can u name any???

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Fair with me. You have done something that none of my other muslim friends have ever done. Congratulations!!!! Key word in your post is "wrongly accuse" and I am with you on this.
Good night.