Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Thank You don, for cleaning most of it up, even if you deleted some good posts in response to bad ones. But as you can see from Sheraz-CT's last post, it isn't worth it to discuss anything in here anymore. We asked simple questions, he responded with galiyaan. If he can not stick to the topic and answer our basic questions, I would like this thread to be closed for good.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
please don..dont close the thread..just because one person can't answer doesnt mean the thread should be closed
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Sheraz let me ask you this question again. It got deleted with other good posts.
If you give so much respect to bibi Fatima because she is the daughter of prophet :saw: then how about bibi Aaesha? She is wife of prophet :saw: She was called Ummaht-ul-momeneen by Allah in Quran not some Sunnis hadith that you guys reject. I want to know do you respect bibi Aeeysha? If you do then why you do tabarrah and cuss her too. What you have to say about this? and mods I didn’t use any offensive language in this posts so it should not be deleted.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
first of all…where exactly is she called ummat ul momeneen in Quran? kindly post that
2ndly she was very against the Family (a.s.) of Prophet (pbuh&up)…the biggest example is the battle of jamal..she knew how much Prophet (pbuh&up) loved His Family including Imam Ali (a.s.) yet she fought Him…to you it might not seem like a big deal but to us it is…there are other incidents in history that your historians did not like to record…she would not let Imam Hassan (a.s.) get burried next to His Grandfather
this should be enough for now
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
“The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their (believers) mothers.” (Al-Ahzaab, verse 6)
So it is ok then to cuss wife of prophet :saw: because she has issues with Hazret Ali? It doesn’t matter if the issues were big or small but does it justify to cuss bibi Aisha ( who was part of prophet family) because she was against some other members of prophet family? I know it doesn’t justify and you know that very well too. Bohot sharam ki bat hai.
I was expecting that you are going to denounce it and you will tell me that you guys don’t cuss bibi Aisha because she is also part of prophet :saw: family. But insread of denouncing you are openly admitting that you do cuss her and you are not ashamed of it at all. That’s it for me. I don’t need to ask anything else. I am hoping that other muslims are reading this too. So that they should know what is the reality. Thank you so much for proving my point. Mods please close this thread.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Also, with disrespecting the wife of Prophet, you are in reality disrespecting the Prophet himself....being that how could he have made such a profound error in judgment in marrying her....
Well we all know shias do not care too much, none at all for the Prophet....
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
May ALLAH's curse be on all those, who disrespect the Prophet (PBUH), his family (which clrearly includes his wives), and his companions. And may ALLAH guide us all on the right path. Ameen!
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
I have a few shia friends and have had many discussions with them…and just like Sheraz…they dont have ANYTHING logical to say…
its just one illogical thing after another until it gets to the point where they dont have anything to say anymore
Allah has given you the brain and logic for a reason so use it.
the Prophet loved his companions …esp the 4 caliphs. otherwise if they were so evil as u make it out to be…why did the Prophet regard them as close friends. Abu Bakr As-Siddique (siddque for example means friend). He is the one who helped him on many occasions. and before Umar accepted Islam, the Prophet used to pray and ask Allah to make Umar a Muslim too cuz they needed some1 like him…a warrior. ps. its wrong to backbite about anyone…whether its some1 living or dead.
even within shias there are millions of sects…all my shia friends are VERY different from each other…some go to graves and go to “ziyaarats” and pilgrimages etc to places like India and Egypt 
…the go to graves and actually prostrate to them . astaghfirulla…thats grave worshipping which is haram and the biggest of sins. I have even seen the pictures she showed me of the well decorated grave and many people prostrating to it.
another of my shia friends was wearing a ring…so being the typical girl I say to her “can I see your ring please?” and she says “No, this ring is blessed and hence u cannot touch it” 
they make no sense at all. others have this theory about following certain people…ayatullahs (i think)…and basically, even if YOUR ayatullah says something wrong, u r supposed to follow it blindly…cuz when u were born or soemthing…u agreed to follow that one.
religion is simple and Allah even says in the Quran that Islam is simple so dont make it hard for yourselves…if we follow the Quran and the Sahih Hadith…we would all be on the right path. The Prophet said the successful wiill be those who hold onto the Quran and sunnah.
and PLEASE do not quote from “sunni” books. if any of the shias here want to make a comment about what “sunnis” believe then take it either from the Quran or from Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi, etc. THE 6 AUTHENTIC COLLECTIONS.
anything else u quote or say is just as ignorant and wrong as ur own beliefs.
sorry if I hurt anyone…just had to say the above. in fact I have alot to say cuz as I said…when I was in college and school the majority of my friends were shia and hence I know alot about them. They could not answer even ONE of my questions that I used to ask them.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Good post Impulse. Thank You for your contribution. And yes they don't have many if any logical points.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Folks into self immolation, nothing logical can be expected of them.....
The only arguments they have are these petty, idiotic, childish stories that somebody slammed the door on somebody.....to perpetuate their fitna......
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
ms logical impulse....first of all why dont you give me the logic behind the hadith i already posted from sahih bukhari.........explain to me why would Prophet (pbuh) of Allah run naked after a damn stone and thn also beat up the stone so bad that it had 6 or 7 scars...bukhari was the biggest munafiq....he has time to add such absurd hadiths but apparently he could not find the hadiths on virtues of Holy Family (a)
also read the hadith from sahih muslim
Book 031, Number 5915:
notice people cursing Imam Ali (a.s.) ...what kind of a harami would curse the Holy Imam (a.s.)...this is the same person whom Prophet (pbuh&up) loved so much...He is part of the Family and aisha would go out and fight Him
the problem is that you read all these fabricated hadiths by munafiqs like bukhari and you believe Prophet (pbuh&up) actually said all that.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
[quote=“Sheraz CT”]
what kind of a harami would curse the Holy Imam (a.s.)QUOTE]
The same kind of harami who curses sahabas…
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
^so ignoring both questions...thats what u are good for :)
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Sheraz-CT, stop trying to be smart and answer the questions. You have two questions to answer with proof from the Quran, since you can deny all of you own books, and don't believe in the shahi hadiths.
So answer the two questions.
1) What do you use to justify insulting the Prophet's dear companions?
and
2) What do you use to justify insulting the Prophet's beloved wife, and the mother of the believers as described by ALLAH, surely ALLAH knows better than all of us?
Again, don't try to be smart. Answer the questions. And if you can not stay on topic, don't post in my thread. We want serious answers with evidence.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
so sheraz…you believe in the Quran obviously…but what other things do you believe in. I mean Allah says in the Quran “And he does not say anything by his own desire. It is but a divine revelation, which is revealed to him. He has been taught by the Extremely Powerful.” (Surah Al-Najm, Verse 3-5).
which means we have to follow everything the Prophet did and said cuz Allah says “in him is the best example”…so what are YOUR hadiths? and how do u know they are authentic.
I mean with our hadith…they have a strong chain of narration…i.e. from sahabas to tabien then tabi-tabien etc.
where do u get urs from? do you even believe in them?
is it true you only pray 2-3 times a day?
what exactly do you follow…apart from other ordinary men like urselves called ayatullahs ? 
enlighten me.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
impulse
u posted a good ayat ...Allah says in the Quran "And he does not say anything by his own desire. It is but a divine revelation, which is revealed to him. He has been taught by the Extremely Powerful." (Surah Al-Najm, Verse 3-5).
now why don't you follow Prophet (pbuh&up) when he said I am leaving behind two things..Quran and My Family (a.s.)...he also said "If you keep yourselves attached to these two, never, never will you go astray after me."
reference:Muslim bin Hajjaj in his Sahih, Volume VII, page 122; Abu Dawud in his Sahih; Tirmidhi in his Sunan, Part 2, page 307; Nisa'i in his Khasa'is, page 30; Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal in his Musnad, Volume III, page 14-17, Volume IV, page 26 and 59, and Volume V, page 182 and 189
i don't see you guys following The Family (a)..instead you have replaced Family (a) with sunnah
also...Prophet (pbuh&up) used to combine prayers as well...read ur sahih muslim and you will find it...also Allah make you combine zohar asr and maghrib isha in hajj.......IF Allah wanted He could have made you pray separately
p.s. what happend to the questions i asked..don't feel like answering them?
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
Still ignoring the orriginal questions? And not giving refrence from the Quran as you don't believe in our shahi hadiths, and your books you just deny.
And one more thing. Why do you cut out the Prophet's wives from his family? Clearly his wives should be part of his family.
Please answer the orriginal questions, for which this thread was opened in the first place.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
MashaAllah!
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
LOL, living in a glass house and throwing stones. 
Ever heard of kufr fatwa on the Ulema of Deoband issued by Baralvi sunni ulema and scholers? heres a quote for you:
heres the best part from that Fatwa:
“ANY PERSONS WHO DOUBTS THE KUFR OF THESE PEOPLE (Deobandies) WILL THEMSELVES BECOME KAFFIR”.
read more from the sunni website “About Deoband”](http://deoband.8m.net/catalog.html)
also check the links given above on the websites. theres a lot more sunni websites mentioning the kufr of sunni Deobandies. Just google. 
And you are arguing Sheraz CT, a shia, for calling you a “munafiq” While your own sunni “brethran” have already declared you a kafir.
**The Deobandi Kufr Kalima
**Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi (d. 1943) former grand wizard of the Deobandi Clan in his monthly magazine Al-Imdad he had the audacity to publish a letter written to him by one of his followers. This is what he wrote:
"I see in a dream that while reciting the Kalima, `There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah’,** I am using your name instead of ‘Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah**’. Thinking that I am wrong, I repeat the Kalima, but despite wishing in my heart to say it correctly, my tongue involuntarily says ‘Ashraf Ali’ instead of the Holy Prophet’s name. … When I wake up and remember my mistake in the Kalima, to make amends for the mistake I send blessings upon the Holy Prophet. However, I am still saying: ‘O Allah, bless our master, prophet and leader Ashraf Ali’, even though I am awake and not dreaming. But I am helpless, and my tongue is not in my control."
Thanvi in his reply to the letter (also printed straight after) interprets the dream as follows:
**“In this incident, it was intended to satisfy you that the one to whom you turn [for spiritual guidance, i.e. Ashraf Ali] is a follower of the Holy Prophet’s example”
Al-Imdad, issue for the month of Safar, by Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi 1336 A.H., circa 1918, Page 35 **<- Scanned page from the book
Is there anything more outrageous than this? The Nasibi love for his Master is such that he substitutes the name of the Prophet (s) with that of Maulana Thanvi. Rather than condemn his follower for this kufr act, Thanvi seeks to rationalise the dream in order to elevate his position to his audience.
Re: A thread about Shias: as requested by Sheraz-CT
The ayah was sent down to discourage the people who were planing to marry Aisha and the other wives of prophet after his death. And Allah informed the Prophet (saww) and sent the ayah . Read your history if you get some time and understand the logic for her being the mother of believers (men not women as she said her self)
One day one woman called Aisha with “Ummul Momineen”. Upon this Aisha became enraged and said: " I am not your mother, but of your men".
Tabqat Ibn Saad, Urdu Edition, Volume 1, Page 89
indeed!! bohat sharam kee baat:
Narrated Abu Salama:
'Aisha’s brother and I went to ‘Aisha and he asked her about the bath of the Prophet. She brought a pot containing about a Sa’ of water and took a bath and poured it over her head and at what time there was a screen between her and us.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/bukhari/bh1/bh1_251.htm
http://www.nzmuslim.net/book-5.html No.251
Also read the red underlined text on the page 432 (last two lines) and 433 of Sahih Muslim given below. Where it is written clearly that they saw her head and upperbody and it is allowed to see the upper body of a mahram. (grownup??, regardless of age??). It is also mentioned there that she had short hair so theres also no chance that she had covered up her upper body with her hair.
Sahih Muslim Ma’ Shrah Naw’wee By Alama Waheed U Zamaan
Sahih Muslim Ma’ Shrah Naw’wee By Alama Waheed U Zamaan Page 432
Sahih Muslim Ma’ Shrah Naw’wee By Alama Waheed U Zamaan Page 433
(the book is available all over the Pakistan in every islamic book store or library)
And you blame Shia that the dont have respect for Aisyha. sigh!
BTW do you agree what Nwa’ie says **“Mehram ko Ooper Ka Badan dekhna Darust hai” 
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