Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
that analogy is pretty simple to understand....people are taking it and twisting it around.
He tried to mitigate the crime of rape, by saying that women are the seducers in this and must bear some of the responsibility for being raped. That mean he is attributing some of the blame for being raped to the women. to bear some of the blame means to say they deserve it. Just take your "I blindly follow Mullah" spectacles off doe a moment.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
It's really quite unbelievable the way religious folk will go to any lengths to back up an Imam that justifies the crime of rape.
First of all I am not a religious person...I am quite secular. Therefore I do not think that your attempt to profile people based on their opinions is valid.
If the Imam said that 65 years for rape was too much....that is his opinion and he is entitled to his opinion. In many countries for rape you would get a lot less than 65 years....so therefore his opinion is accepted in some parts of the world and is valid. I may or may not agree with his opinion but I defend his right to have and express his opinion..so long as it is within the law. That is not the same as encouraging people to rape or even condoling rape. He is discouraging his congregation from being tempted by flesh.
Covering will not completely remove rape but it would reduce the numbers, as it would reduce the temptation.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
If the Imam said that 65 years for rape was too much....that is his opinion and he is entitled to his opinion. In many countries for rape you would get a lot less than 65 years....so therefore his opinion is accepted in some parts of the world and is valid. I may or may not agree with his opinion but I defend his right to have and express his opinion..so long as it is within the law. That is not the same as encouraging people to rape or even condoling rape. His is discouraging his congregation from being tempted by flesh.
Covering will not completely remove rape but it would reduce the numbers, as it would reduce the temptation.
Again your misquoting what he said "Mr Secular man". He did not say that it was the 65 years that was the problem, he said that women are the art of seducers, and that the trial judge should show mercy on the rapist because of the fact that the women must have seduced him.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
roadrunner = master of twisting words.
I hope you know u've deviated far away from what the Imam actually said. And the media reports from around the world can atest to that.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
I refuse to believe that he said that women seduced a man while she was being raped. Unless he was referring to cases where women get drunk have sex and then claim being raped. Either way I believe he is being misquoted.
Rape aside women are great seducers....history is full of examples...this is a fact of life. Even prophet Moses was seduced by the Pharoah's wife...if I am not mistaken...perhaps someone can correct me. We are all mortals at the end of the day.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
no where does it say in the Quran that women have to cover their faces of their heads
they are suppose to dress modestly and not show the curvature of their body....
and thats it, this veil and burka concept was there before Islam came and was just adopted as the official gear for muslim women for persians and arabs to accomodate themselves
These are the same people who made the rule that women cant drive
Are you going to tell me that Islam says they cant?
there is no point in arguing about this anymore....this topic has been beaten to death numerous times here on GS....
Take it up with Allah (SWT)
FYI.....women not being able to drive is cultural indeed...not a part of Islam. majority of women in Saudi wear burqa.....does it make any sense to allow a burqa wearing woman to drive a car? she wont be able to see properly..she will get into accidents....and any one can commit a crime and hop into their get-a-way car while wearing the burqa. For Saudi...it makes sense for women not to drive....cuz they simply cant!!
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Rape aside women are great seducers....history is full of examples...this is a fact of life. Even prophet Moses was seduced by the Pharoah's wife...if I am not mistaken...perhaps someone can correct me. We are all mortals at the end of the day.
very true....
just want to add this "women being a seducer" isnt just limited to Islam....this is the belief in many religions....sikhism and judaism.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Rape aside women are great seducers....history is full of examples...this is a fact of life. Even prophet Moses was seduced by the Pharoah's wife...if I am not mistaken...perhaps someone can correct me. We are all mortals at the end of the day.
Yep, you would refuse to believe it, here is his full quote..
*"A woman possesses the weapon of seduction. It is she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us ... then it's a look, then a smile, then a conversation ... then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years." *
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
You 4 do not seem to get it still. Women can seduce some men, and there is nothing wrong with that, IF SHE WANTS TO SEDUCE THEM. If she does not want to seduce them then it is not alright for the man to commit a crime upon her. Is this too difficult to get through your collective heads?
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
*"A woman possesses the weapon of seduction. It is she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us ... then it's a look, then a smile, then a conversation ... then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years." *
arshad said that he refused to believe that a woman was accused of seducing while being raped.....
once again ur twisting the imams words.....he nvr said that SHE seduced the rapist.
he is talking about women in general. and its true...like arshad said...there are numerous accounts of this in history. also....the imam said she (women) possesses the ability...doesnt mean she (women)uses that ability.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
and u dont seem to understand....the IMAM nvr said that!! cant u read....he said "a woman" meaning in general...not "that woman" or "the vicitim"
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Here is food for thought and I'd like everyone to think very carefully bout it before they answer it.
Take a person, be it anyone that is a normal in your daily lives.
The Guy who drives the bus.
The dude at the coffee shop.
Your Uncle.
A cousin.
It can be any male who you have contant contact with in your daily routines.
Imagine him, Going home.
Jacking himself every night with an image of You in his mind.
Just imagine it.
Does it make you angry?
Ofcourse it does.
You havent asked for it
You havent initiated it
You dont even know bout it
But its happening.
Now imagine being raped.
Now justify it.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
once again ur twisting the imams words.....he nvr said that SHE seduced the rapist.
he is talking about women in general. and its true...like arshad said...there are numerous accounts of this in history. also....the imam said she (women) possesses the ability...doesnt mean she (women)uses that ability.
There's nothing twisting about it. If you cannot read it, don't blame others for this. Let me translate. The 65 years was in reference to the rapist in Australia, called Skaf. The Imam was trying to say that he should have had a lesser sentence because women are seducers and that "poor" chap was seduced by the woman. Yet again, it's a case of putting the blame on the victim, when it's the rapist that committed the crime.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
once again ur twisting the imams words.....he nvr said that SHE seduced the rapist.
he is talking about women in general. and its true...like arshad said...there are numerous accounts of this in history. also....the imam said she (women) possesses the ability...doesnt mean she (women)uses that ability.
let me help you here one last time.
"A woman possesses the weapon of seduction. It is she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us ... **then **it's a look, then a smile, then a conversation ... then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years."
bold word "then" is important. A woman posseses the art of seduction..It is she who flirts etc..THEN it's a look, conversation, then crime and jail. It is clear he's saying that a woman firstly seduces, THEN dates, and then the crime occurs. And THEN he says that the judge is not lenient enough!! If this isnt clear to you that he's talking about a succession of events, then go ask someone else, as it's clear to almost everyone else.
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Take a person, be it anyone that is a normal in your daily lives. The Guy who drives the bus. The dude at the coffee shop. Your Uncle. A cousin.
It can be any male who you have contant contact with in your daily routines.
Imagine him, Going home. Jacking himself every night with an image of You in his mind.
Just imagine it.
Does it make you angry?
Ofcourse it does. You havent asked for it You havent initiated it You dont even know bout it
But its happening.
Now imagine being raped.
Now justify it.
Did you invent this all by yourself? because it's sick..not to mention it can occur the other way round with women. thx for the nightmares..
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
i can’t believe that anyone who reads that quote would NOT see what we are seeing
if anyone’s twisting its the people that are saying he didn’t say anything or didn’t mean anything…if those are his exact words all you have to do is READ them to understand
after all these things that these absolutely horrid women have done, the man is sent to jail by a judge with no mercy…aww sad for the poor rapist
and one more thing, i REALLY resent the insinuation that the people supporting the imam are good muslims and the ones against him are not and that we are looking for a way to blame the religion…how dare any of you judge my or anyone elses iman? we’re concerned about the name of our religion so when idiots go around saying stupid things we want people to understand that its not our faith but stupid people
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
roadrunner, not as sick as people defending a rapist
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
Can we just get on with our lives and agree on the fact that the australian infidel, slutty ho got what she was askin' for? Now lets all leave this thread and wait outside our houses to find a girl who is showing off her figure and teach her a lesson or two about Islam. Them biznatches ain't gonna rape themselves, ya know!
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
once again ur twisting the imams words.....he nvr said that SHE seduced the rapist.
he is talking about women in general. and its true...like arshad said...there are numerous accounts of this in history. also....the imam said she (women) possesses the ability...doesnt mean she (women)uses that ability.
Yeah, as if speaking about women in general makes it better than talking about a specific woman. Now he's calling me and you a piece of meat that needs to be covered up, before some dumb cat comes after it. If that makes you feel good, then I don't know what to tell you. It sure doesn't make me feel good about myself, and I'm sorry, but is that the job of an Imam?
I thought that's the job of my exams?
Re: ‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric
BTW, in order to derail this thread onto a better topic, what is the general consensus here regarding the abortion of a baby for a rape victim? I'm personally caught right on the fence. This is a pretty interesting debate.