‘Rape victim’ defends besieged Australian cleric

[mercenary2k]

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^^ It depends...

If neither the guy or the girl practiced safe sex, then they are both responsible and baby cannot be aborted and guy should help out as much as possible

If guy told the girl he is wearing a condom but she still ended up pregnant then its he guy's fault and she should pay for the girl's discomfort while she is pregnant and baby cannot be aborted

If guy and girl wanted a baby and now change minds, then baby cannot be aborted because its not 2nd guessing on a car, this is a life.

If a girl is raped and later impregnated, then baby can be aborted.

[Crescent]

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@PyariCgudia

Yeah, as if speaking about women in general makes it better than talking about a specific woman. Now he's calling me and you a piece of meat that needs to be covered up, before some dumb cat comes after it. If that makes you feel good, then I don't know what to tell you. It sure doesn't make me feel good about myself, and I'm sorry, but is that the job of an Imam?

I thought that's the job of my exams?

Right? And is isn't it sad that another female can understand his analogy and you cant?

C'mon, are we in elementary school that we can't understand a simple analogy, and have to take everything literally?

Cover the meat from the Cat, and the cat won't eat it, because it hasn't seen it.
Simple.

Jeez.

[LegallyBrown]

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@Crescent_

Right? And is isn’t it sad that another female can understand his analogy and you cant?

C’mon, are we in elementary school that we can’t understand a simple analogy, and have to take everything literally?

Cover the meat from the Cat, and the cat won’t eat it, because it hasn’t seen it.
Simple.

Jeez.

The only two females agreeing to his statement include a Dillusional Angel Eyes who is known for saying things that arent true and when asked to back 'em up doesnt come up with anything.

And UZ who despite the fact is a hijabn and all is begging the Male guppies in the Cafe to call her attractive and pretty.

[roadrunner]

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@Crescent_

Right? And is isn't it sad that another female can understand his analogy and you cant?

C'mon, are we in elementary school that we can't understand a simple analogy, and have to take everything literally?

Cover the meat from the Cat, and the cat won't eat it, because it hasn't seen it. Simple.

Jeez.

What you don't seem to understand is that the onus is not on the woman to cover up, the onus is on the rapist not to rape. The only criminal there is the rapist, and all the responsibility lies with them. There is no shared responsibility.

That is what a lot of people object to in what he said. If I leave a piece of meat out for the dog with a sign clearly labelled "For dog to eat", but the cat goes and eats it, then I would be at fault, because the cat cannot read and so does not know I left out the piece of meat for the dog. However this doesnt appy to human rape, because when someone rapes, they KNOW it is wrong to do this. Humans are not so low on the intelligence scale to be unable to decipher that rape is wrong. The onus therefore is still entirely on the rapist.

[Crescent]

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@LegallyBrown

The only two females agreeing to his statement include a Dillusional Angel Eyes who is known for saying things that arent true and when asked to back 'em up doesnt come up with anything.

And UZ who despite the fact is a hijabn and all is begging the Male guppies in the Cafe to call her attractive and pretty.

Ok, we’ve established atleast one fact. This user definitely has no brains or else wouldn’t make such ridiculous comments. I mean I know its hard to believe that there are sane people out there, but jeez, didn’t have to attack them like that.

its ok, theres hope for you

@roadrunner

What you don’t seem to understand is that the onus is not on the woman to cover up, the onus is on the rapist not to rape. The only criminal there is the rapist, and all the responsibility lies with them. There is no shared responsibility.

That is what a lot of people object to in what he said. If I leave a piece of meat out for the dog with a sign clearly labelled “For dog to eat”, but the cat goes and eats it, then I would be at fault, because the cat cannot read and so does not know I left out the piece of meat for the dog. However this doesnt appy to human rape, because when someone rapes, they KNOW it is wrong to do this. Humans are not so low on the intelligence scale to be unable to decipher that rape is wrong. The onus therefore is still entirely on the rapist.

I don’t see girls today dressing immorally for their specific significant other.
Girls dress today for the sake of getting attention, and thats the same exact thing as leaving a meat out where you know cats and dogs exist.

If a girl is raped while dressed immorally, aside from the fact that rapist is at fault, you HAVE to, logically, ascribe fault to the girl for exposing herself like that. Which obviously triggered the rapist to attack her.

If the victim can realize this, why cant we.

Its a simple analogy. really.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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@Crescent_

Ok, we've established atleast one fact. This user definitely has no brains or else wouldn't make such ridiculous comments. I mean I know its hard to believe that there are sane people out there, but jeez, didn't have to attack them like that.

its ok, theres hope for you :).

no point in replying to her...do what i do and ignore her. :)
she'll eventually stop barking.

some people dont know how to carry a civilized debate. they resort to attacks and name calling...these people indeed live a sad and empty life.

[LegallyBrown]

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Truth hurts.

Im still waiting for people to response to my role play

I suppose everybody is ignoring it due to the fact that they dont wanto think bout themselves in such situations

but it happens

[LegallyBrown]

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@AnGeL EyEs

no point in replying to her…do what i do and ignore her.
she’ll eventually stop barking.

Im sorry hunny to have shredded your credibility a few months back when you made false statments.

I also dread all the people subjected to your false theories.

[LegallyBrown]

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[QUOTE]
Ok, we've established atleast one fact. This user definitely has no brains or else wouldn't make such ridiculous comments. I mean I know its hard to believe that there are sane people out there, but jeez, didn't have to attack them like that.

its ok, theres hope for you
[/QUOTE]

Thats the first sign of insanity.

Claiming oneself a Sane person.

Unfortunately there is no help available for you.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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oops

[roadrunner]

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@Crescent

I don't see girls today dressing immorally for their specific significant other. Girls dress today for the sake of getting attention, and thats the same exact thing as leaving a meat out where you know cats and dogs exist.

If a girl is raped while dressed immorally, aside from the fact that rapist is at fault, you HAVE to, logically, ascribe fault to the girl for exposing herself like that. Which obviously triggered the rapist to attack her.

If the victim can realize this, why cant we.

Its a simple analogy. really.

Oh really....and since when was the rapist (or even you) the authority to judge whether a woman is dressing immorally? Is showing off her ankles immoral to you and asking for it? If so, it shows what sort of an individual you are that you would place part of the blame on a woman just because you have your own perverse fantasies and lack of control.

If a woman dresses to attract attention from men, it's up to her. If a man goes to the gym to attract women, it's up to him. Just because a few perverts are loose in society, does not mean that wanting to appear attractive is somehow wrong. You can be modest and yet be attractive to someone physically. This does not give them the right to rape you. Even if you are not dressing modestly, it still doesnt give them the right to rape you and the responsibility is entirely with the rapist since man is not dumb and knows right from wrong. Modesty is not a head to toe garb in the West (or Pakistan). Modesty is set by the countries own culture and not some pervert who can't control himself by the sight of an ankle.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

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^agreed no one has the right to be raped....i think Crescent agrees with that 2.

:)

[LegallyBrown]

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I thought I was being ignored

[AQ]

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This whole thread and debate actually brought a question in my mind that, Is adultery same as rape?

What about those muslim men and women who indulge in that act willingly?

I was quite surprised to know that in India, Muslim girls are marrying non-muslims boys (hindus) and it is a normal behaviour there... whereas, Islam specifically makes such a marriage of a muslim girl with a non-muslim man (hindu, christian, jew, any other religion) null and void and it comes under the umbrella of Adultery...

forget what Imam said and how bad or good the analogy is... I want to know who condemns such a behaviour of our muslim nation? who endorses it and who has a problem with Islamic law???? first resolve that issue... Imam's point of view is a secondary thing... What he said was a mere statement, anyone cares about what's going on actually???

[LegallyBrown]

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Adultery Defination

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voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his or her lawful spouse
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Im kinda confused where you came up with your defination of Adultery

[LegallyBrown]

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And while we are speaking of adultery, I also would like your views bout the Wife swapping Trend that is quite hip in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Thankyou Kindly.

[AQ]

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@LegallyBrown

Adultery Defination

Im kinda confused where you came up with your defination of Adultery

exactly lawful spouse ....

once, Islam tells you that a muslim woman CAN NOT marry a non-muslim man, then any such marriage is UN LAWFUL and a source of adultery... now the term adultery in Islamic vocabulary is known as ZINA BIL RAZA .. definition of which is, having sex without wedlock with consent of both... man does not have to be married... This is what Adultery's definition is in ISLAM....

[AQ]

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@LegallyBrown

And while we are speaking of adultery, I also would like your views bout the Wife swapping Trend that is quite hip in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Thankyou Kindly.

quite hip??? Source....??

I have only heard about it in the elite class... those who are members of Rotary Clubs .. a trend well taken from the Western Society....

[LegallyBrown]

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^ @ definatino in Islam.

Adultery means a man or a woman who is in a marriage having sex with a person other than their spouse.

Dont come up with Definations in your head buddy.

[AQ]

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@LegallyBrown

^ @ definatino in Islam.

Zina bil razaa is Adultery in Islam
&
Zina Bil Jabar = Rape

Perhaps, you do not like it but that is how Prophet:saw: defined it and that is how it is in the Sharia and that is how it is treated in Islamic Judiciary laws…

But first let me understand one thing… Can you tell me if you find it perfectly OK for a muslim girl to marry a non-muslim man???

PS: I told you the right definition as per Islamic Rules…