A question to Ahmadies: what do u say about this....

[Seminole]

Just curious... why are respect, courtesy and basic decency reserved for only some people's prophets and not others? If someone does not believe in another's faith does that give him the right to call their prophets liars or false? Respect is a two way street.

[Nadia_H]

*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
**First of all I want to assure you that Ahmadis have utmost respect for Jesus AS just like any other prophet from Allah.

When Zakiahmed talked about Jesus AS sitting in the skies, He was not talking about Jesus who according to his belief have died a natural death and gone back to his creator but a fictitious Jesus who was made to raise to the heavens and who is still there and would come back according to some. Maybe Mr. Zakiahmed didn’t choose the right words to describe what he realy wants to say and I think you can pardon him for that.

And I realy appreciate your balanced approach towards all the issues.

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We have our disagreements regarding this issue, but i just wanted to state that you wrote your reply in an extremely balanced, kind and fair manner and i truly appreciate that Thank you for that, alone. Sincerely appreciated.

[Khattana]

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Khattana,

You wrote:

Do you realy call it a success when the prophet was so much abused by its own people that according to you own beliefs, he has to be uplifted by Allah.

Did Allah naozobillah don't know that Jesus would be abused by Jews so much that he has to intervene.

And while we are on history, Can you give me the timeline during which Christianity started to be widely accepted by all walks of life. How many years after Jesus, majority of the people started to consider him as the true prophet of God!
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I would call it a success based on the fact that it is the largest religion today. As far as the martyrdom goes, that was part of the plan as far as I can see and had great impact towards the success of the religion plus the added twist of His return !!

In terms of history, I think christianity spread greatly when the Roman Emperor became a christian and that was probably about 50 years or so after the crucifiction (but not sure about actual date). If you are attempting to compare that with the Ahmedi religion, I think the only hope you have is to convert George Bush and his neo-conservative team and then get them to crusade!!

[fatehahmad]

Mr. Khattana,

First get your historical facts together. Christians was persecuted by Romans well after the first century of christianity. So when do you have no problem with christianity spreading slowly during the first and second century, why do you have this objection regarding Ahmadiyya movement in Islam.

Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is already established in more than 170 countries of the world and million of followers joining it every year and you are still not sure that whether people are accepting it or not.

[bao_bihari]

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Khattana,

First get your historical facts together. Christians was persecuted by Romans well after the first century of christianity. So when do you have no problem with christianity spreading slowly during the first and second century, why do you have this objection regarding Ahmadiyya movement in Islam.

Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is already established in more than 170 countries of the world and million of followers joining it every year and you are still not sure that whether people are accepting it or not.
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mirzay ki batain humaray baghair.......tooba toooba.......theek hay..........qadiyanis with bhai are only socalled islamic movement who have thier ofiices (centre)in israel.....................baqi aap log sumjhdar hain....kahoon ga to log kahain gay kay mirazayoon ko bora kahtay hain....

[Mr_OuiJa]

*Originally posted by bao bihari: *
qadiyanis with bhai are only socalled islamic movement who have thier ofiices (centre)in israel…baqi aap log sumjhdar hain…kahoon ga to log kahain gay kay mirazayoon ko bora kahtay hain…

lol typical Mullah attitude, bring something in room without any reason :D, if our center is in Israel(when our center was biuld, there wasnt Israel as a country), then I wonder what are MUSLIMS doing in Israel!!

[Aawara_Baadal]

*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *

lol typical Mullah attitude, bring something in room without any reason :D, if our center is in Israel(when our center was biuld, there wasnt Israel as a country), then I wonder what are MUSLIMS doing in Israel!!

Muslim are living there and acting on Islam. They are not involved in any thing like this

[Mr_OuiJa]

*Originally posted by Aawara Baadal: *
Muslim are living there and acting on Islam. They are not involved in any thing like this

and of course, YOU guyz know what Ahmadi Muslim are doing there.

[Aawara_Baadal]

*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *

and of course, YOU guyz know what Ahmadi Muslim are doing there.

yes

[Mr_OuiJa]

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*Originally posted by Aawara Baadal: *
yes :)
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ahhhh, now I know, that´s why you guyz know about our Kalima, how we read, "uper se mohammad under se mirza ghulam", you guyz are good :biggthumb

[Aawara_Baadal]

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*Originally posted by Mr OuiJa: *

ahhhh, now I know, that´s why you guyz know about our Kalima, how we read, "uper se mohammad under se mirza ghulam", you guyz are good :biggthumb
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This you do not us :)

[fatehahmad]

Aawara Baadal:

Can you swear on the name of Allah that when Ahmadis recite the Kalima, they Naozobillah think of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and not the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)?

Have you ever met an Ahmadi who by his own admission give Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian Naozobillah precedence over Holy Prophet (peace be upon him)?

[Aawara_Baadal]

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Baadal:

Can you swear on the name of Allah that when Ahmadis recite the Kalima, they Naozobillah think of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and not the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him)?

Have you ever met an Ahmadi who by his own admission give Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian Naozobillah precedence over Holy Prophet (peace be upon him)?
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Can you swear to Allah that you do not consider Mirza as a prophet ?
Can you Swear that the Quran Ahmadi read is different from Muslims ? no matter one ayat is longer.

[fatehahmad]

Aawara Badal:

I swear on the name of Allah that I consider Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet of Allah. He is not an independent but a sub-ordinate of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).

I swear on the name of Allah that I read the same Holy Quran as you and all the other Muslims of the world read!

I thought that the Prophethood of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian was not the point of contention. Every Ahmadi believe him to be a prophet, so I can't understand your point.

Now can you please go ahead and swear on the name of Allah that you believe that Ahmadis have a different Kalima and when they recite the kalimah, Ahmadis are thinking about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and Naozobillah not of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).

[zakiahmed]

*Originally posted by Aawara Baadal: *

Can you swear to Allah that you do not consider Mirza as a prophet ?
Can you Swear that the Quran Ahmadi read is different from Muslims ? no matter one ayat is longer.

I swear on behalf of ahmadis that we believe Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian :as: as ‘Ummati’ prophet of Allah. He is the same Messiah and Mehdi that was prophecied by our Holy Prophet (PBUH) and he is in no respect ‘superior’ to AnHuzur:saw:. Al Hamdo Lillah, Allah has granted us wisdom by His blessing that we recognized the Imam of the age. Al Hamdo Lillah.

I also swear upon Allah that we believe in the same Quran that was revealed to AnHuzur:saw: and there is no addition or deletion of any type in the Quran that we read. And it is THE SAME Quran that is read by other muslims.

Now its your turn to swear!

[Aawara_Baadal]

*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

I swear on the name of Allah that I consider Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet of Allah. He is not an independent but a sub-ordinate of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).

I swear on the name of Allah that I read the same Holy Quran as you and all the other Muslims of the world read!

I thought that the Prophethood of Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian was not the point of contention. Every Ahmadi believe him to be a prophet, so I can’t understand your point.

Now can you please go ahead and swear on the name of Allah that you believe that Ahmadis have a different Kalima and when they recite the kalimah, Ahmadis are thinking about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and Naozobillah not of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him).

*Originally posted by zakiahmed: *

I swear on behalf of ahmadis that we believe Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian :as: as ‘Ummati’ prophet of Allah. He is the same Messiah and Mehdi that was prophecied by our Holy Prophet (PBUH) and he is in no respect ‘superior’ to AnHuzur:saw:. Al Hamdo Lillah, Allah has granted us wisdom by His blessing that we recognized the Imam of the age. Al Hamdo Lillah.

I also swear upon Allah that we believe in the same Quran that was revealed to AnHuzur:saw: and there is no addition or deletion of any type in the Quran that we read. And it is THE SAME Quran that is read by other muslims.

Now its your turn to swear!

I feel sorry for guys

[fatehahmad]

Aawara Badal:

Why are you running away? Are you afraid of swearing on the name of Allah!

[Aawara_Baadal]

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Aawara Badal:

Why are you running away? Are you afraid of swearing on the name of Allah!
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running away ? duh!|!|!|
After reading and after seeing your replies. I do not need to believe further on what I believe and you know what my believe is :)

[fatehahmad]

Aawara Badal:

You are running away because you are not ready to swear on the name of Allah. Are you afraid of Allah that he would punish you of wrongly swearing in his name!

[Mr_OuiJa]

*Originally posted by Aawara Baadal: *
Can you swear to Allah that you do not consider Mirza as a prophet ?
Can you Swear that the Quran Ahmadi read is different from Muslims ? no matter one ayat is longer.

I swear by Allah(swt) that Hz Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani is a TRUE Prophet of Allah(swt) and is the same Masih and Mahdi according to Holy Quran and Hadith.

I swear by Allah(swt)´s name, that our Holy Quran is the SAME which AnHz Mohammad :saw: brought to us!!

Is this enought to show our love to ISLAM?