A question to Ahmadies: what do u say about this....

Well lets see here goes again. armghul and others blaming blaming blaming what else u guyz can do ok forget bout mirza sahib for a sec.

According to you he is false. THen according to you Mehdi still has to come and Isa. When Mehdi comes for say who is he going to be apointed by People or Allah. If Allah is going to apoint him how is he going to do that. you tell me.

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and u forgot to understand that there is no prophet to come after Muhammad and anyone who claims prophethood after him is a liar....

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By the way just for ur information. The Holy Prophet said.

""""Prophethood shall remain among you as long as Allah shall will. He will bring about its end and follow it with Khilafat on the precepts of prophethood for as long as He shall will and then bring about its end. A tyrannical monarchy will then follow and will remain as long as Allah shall will and then come to an end. There will follow thereafter monarchial despotism to last as long as Allah shall will and come to an end upon His decree. There will then emerge Khilafat on precept of Prophethood." (Masnad Ahmad)""""

Now either you are mocking or Holy prophet didnt know what he was talking Bout NAOZOBILLAH..... Try to understand the message on One hand HOly Prophet is saying no prophet after me on the other hand he is saying this that Prophethood will remain so what is the message. The message is PROPHETHOOD under his teaching will remaing but any PROPHET who brings new LAW will not come its just that simple

But how do you explain this then, in his last sermon he also said that there would be no prophet after him, in the middle section.

THE LAST SERMON OF THE HOLY PROPHET OF ISLAM
(Peace and Love of Allah may eternally descend upon Him and His Pious Family and Companions)

"All praise is due to Allah, so we praise Him, and seek His pardon and we
turn to Him. We seek refuge with Allah from the evils of ourselves and
from the evil consequences of our deeds. Whom Allah guides aright there is
none to lead him astray; and there is none to guide him aright whom Allah
leads astray. I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, the One,
having no partner with Him. His is the sovereignty and to Him is due all
praise. He grants life and causes death and is Powerful over everything.
There is no God but Allah, the One; He fulfilled His promise and granted
victory to His bondsman, and He alone routed the confederates (of the
enemies of Islam).

O’ People! Listen to my words, for I do not know whether we shall ever
meet again and perform Hajj after this year. O’ Ye people! Allah says, O’
people We created you from one male and one female and made you into
tribes and nations, so as to be known to one another. Verily in the sight
of Allah, the most honoured amongst you is the one who is most
God-fearing. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a
non-Arab over an Arab, nor for the white over the black nor for the black
over the white except in God-conciousness.

All mankind is the progeny of Adam and Adam was fashioned out of clay.
Behold; every claim of privilage whether that of blood or property, is
under my heels except that of the custody of the Ka’bah and supplying of
water to the pilgrims, O’ people of Quraish, don’t appear (on the Day of
Judgement) with the burden of this world around your necks, whereas other
people may appear (before the Lord) with the rewards of the hereafter. In
that case I shall avail you naught against Allah.

Behold! All practice of the days of ignorance are now under my feet. The
blood revenges of the days of ignorance are remitted. The first claim on
blood I abolish is that of Ibn Rabiah bin Harith who was nursed in the
tribe of Sa’ad and whom the Hudhayls killed. All interest and usurious
dues accruing from the times of ignorance stand wiped out. And the first
amount of interest that I remit is that which Abbas ibn Abd-al Muttalib
had to receive. Verily it is remitted entirely.

O’ people! Verily yor blood, your property and your honour are sacred and
inviolable until you appear before your Lord, as the sacred inviolability
of this day of yours, this month of yours and this very town (of yours).
Verily you will soon meet your Lord and you will be held answerable for
your actions.

O’ people! Verily you have got certain rights over your women and your
women have certain rights over you. It is your right upon them to honour
their conjugal rights, and not to commit acts of impropriety, which if
they do, you are authorised by Allah to separate them from your beds amd
chastise them, but not severely, and if they refrain, then clothe and feed
them properly.

Behold! It is not permissible for a woman to give anything from the wealth
of her husband to anyone but with his consent.

Treat the women kindly, since they are your helpers and not in a position
to manage their affairs themselves. Fear Allah concerning women, for
verily you have taken them on the security of Allah and have made their
persons lawful unto you by words of Allah.

O’ people! Allah, the Mighty and Exalted, has ordained to every one his
due share (of inheritance). Hence there is no need (of special) testament
for an heir (departing from the rules laid down by the Shari’ah).

The child belongs to the marriage-bed and the violator of wedlock shall be
stoned. And Reckoning of their (deeds) rests with Allah.

He who attributes his ancestry to other than his father or claims his
clientship to other than his master, the curse of Allah is upon him.

All depts must be repaid, all borrowed property must be returned, gifts
should be reciprocated and a surety must make good the loss to the assured.

Beware! No one committing a crime is responsible for it but himself.
Neither the child is responsible for the crime of his father, nor the
father is responsible for the crime of his child.

Nothing of his brother is lawful for a Muslim except what he himself gives
willingly. So do not wrong yourselves.

O’ People! Every Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim, and all the
Muslims form one brotherhood. And your slaves; see that you feed them with
such food as you eat yourselves, and clothe them with the clothes that you
yourselves wear.

Take heed not to go astray after me and strike one another’s necks. He who
(amongst you) has any trust with him, he must return it to its owner.

O’ people! Listen and obey, though a mangled Abyssinian slave is appointed
your Amir, provided he executes (the Ordinance of) the Book of Allah among
you.

O’ people! No Prophet would be raised after me and no new Ummah (would be
formed) after you.

Verily I have left amongst you that which will never lead you astray, the
Book of Allah, which if you hold fast you shall never go astray.

And beware of transgressing the limits set in the matters of religion, for
it is transgression of (the proper bounds of) religion that brought
destruction to many people before you.

Verily, the satan is disappointed at ever being worshipped in this land of
yours, but he will be pleased by obedience in anything (short of worship
that is) in matters you may be disposed to think insignificant, so beware
of him in your matters of religion.

Behold! Worship your Lord; offer prayers five times a day; observe fast in
the month of Ramadhaan; pay readily the Zakat (poor due) on your property;
and perform pilgrimage to the House of God and obey your rulers and you
will be admitted to the Paradise of your Lord.

Let him that is present, convey it unto him who is absent, for many people
to whom the message is conveyed may be more mindful of it than the
audience.

And if you were asked about me, what would you say?"

They answered, “We bear witness that you have conveyed the trust (of
religion) and discharged your ministry of Prophethood and looked to our
welfare.”

Thereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) lifted his forefinger
towards the sky and then pointing towards people said:

"O’ Lord: Bear Thou witness unto it.

O’ Lord: Bear Thou witness unto it."
(Khutbat-ul-Hajjatul Wida, Seerat Ibne Hesham)
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**The message is PROPHETHOOD under his teaching will remaing but any PROPHET who brings new LAW will not come its just that simple
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So as ahmadis believe prophets will come after Muhammad (PBUH) and from discussion here they also believe there might had beem prophets after Muhammad (PBUH) and even can come after Mirza ..

  • we didnt belived in any prophets after Muhammad (PBUH) till Mirza and Ahmadis didnt too recognized one to my knowledge so what happened to followers of those messengers?

  • so muslims those who dont belive Mirza as messenger of God but Muhammad (PBUH) as last messenger of God- what Mirza says about them

  • and messenger according to Ahmadis who will come after Mirza - if ahmadis dont belive in them what will happen.. as all messengers are to be believed..

bhai itna hansnay ki kia zaroorat hay…
all muslimcall u qadiyani…so u r qadiyani…and he was dajjal e qadiyan…“i saw in my kashaf that i am god”-(kitab ul bariya page 85) (rohani khazain page 103 volume 13)

mirzay ki kuch aur batain sunnay kay liya wait for 2 ,3 days…will give some more refrences from the books …khoob guzray gi jo mil baithay gain deewanay do

I was wondering, I read somewhere that Mirza sahib used a drug, opium or something, I can't remember, could that be the reason of his uttering contradictions? Claiming to be one than the other?
Some of his earlier work was actually good stuff. I'm not defending him, of course this still doesn't justify him calling himself a prophet, but I was just wondering, he was mirroring himself to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and also claimed to be other things like Jesus (as) and all that, could he have been high half the time? Could it be possible that his state of mind was not normal anymore?

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
if i follow the teachings of mirza (one false prophet), every other false prophet will also come knocking at my door to follow his teachings....

so i am better off following the last of the true prophets sent by Allah....
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You dont know that, you may die thinking you lived a great life and end up in hell all because you followed the wrong teachings...
USE some of that MIND god gave you!

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
tomorrow i'll claim to be a prophet, and when u tell my followers that i was a liar, they'll give u back the same reply....

or will u, in ur customs to believing in false prophets, even bow down before me and accept that i am a prophet????
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Simple way to prove your authenticity, I suppose...

OK I did not know that. I don’t know much about the Ahmedi religion. I have seen the Ahmedi Channel on TV a few times whilst flicking channels and have seen the old boy, who is your leader, quoting Ilhams in arabic which made absolutely no sense to me as described previously in the question.

Yeah but quite a few others between Jesus & Moses (like hundreds of prophets!!). In terms of success, well I believe that if God was gonna send someone after all these years, He would have made sure to make his message long lasting and far reaching. If you look at christianity, It was highly successful although it had very humble beginnings (one man Vs world) and it was actually launched at the right time and place to guarantee that. Same with Islam, highly successful due to the perfect timing and placement (with the rest of the world’s empires collapsing at the time). So why is it that this time there seems to be a slight miscalculation with the timing?? Surely God would not make such an error?? You are right I do not believe your figure of 200 mil, I cannot even believe 20 million!! But then again, there are more than 20 million Jehova’s witnesses around !!

still does not answer my question- has there been any one else? I would have thought that God would have tried again considering the last one wasn’t much of a success. Maybe after another 1300 years??

I apologize if my comments offend you but the amount of criticism you guys take must make you very thick-skinned !! I am just trying to follow on the debate .

Mr. Khattana,

You wrote:

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It was highly successful although it had very humble beginnings (one man Vs world)
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Do you realy call it a success when the prophet was so much abused by its own people that according to you own beliefs, he has to be uplifted by Allah.

Did Allah naozobillah don't know that Jesus would be abused by Jews so much that he has to intervene.

And while we are on history, Can you give me the timeline during which Christianity started to be widely accepted by all walks of life. How many years after Jesus, majority of the people started to consider him as the true prophet of God!

If Jesus (AS) had known that there would be group of people who would start comparing him and insulting him after such a long time.. just to justify another messenger of God!

But he’s :as: alive up in heavens. Isn’t he :as:. He :as: should know everything. Or may be he :as: needs a telescope (Nauzobillah) as heavens are far far away. Right!

Mr. Degas,

Your rant didn't answer my question?

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Ridiculous comment. No one claimed, in this thread, that Prophet Jesus (AS) knows everything (Nauzubillah). Only Allah Knows everything.

This thread is just like the other 1 million threads regarding this same issue. Again and again and again it’s discussed with no satisfactory resolution.

Nadiah_H:

According to some of the posters in this discussion board consider Jesus to be well and alive and sitting somewhere in the skies above. If you also believe in the above statement, then you would also have to believe that Jesus should know what this earth has went through since he was uplifted.

think before writing about Prophet of God whom Allah love so much.. and who is mentioned so many times in Quran.. I have always seen ahmadis writing with such irresponsible way about Jesus (AS)..

Mr. Degas,

I consider Jesus to be still alive and sitting on the skies a greater blasmphemy. Why didn't our beloved Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) achieve this distinction?

When you make mockery of the laws of Allah clearly mentioned in Holy Quran then this things are bound to happen?

BTW Mr. Zakiahmed is not making fun of Jesus AS, He is making fun of your idea of a human still sitting alive in the skies.

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
**Nadiah_H:

According to some of the posters in this discussion board consider Jesus to be well and alive and sitting somewhere in the skies above. If you also believe in the above statement, then you would also have to believe that Jesus should know what this earth has went through since he was uplifted.
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Yes and i am one who subscribes to this belief. You shouldn't have a problem with that because that is MY belief which i am not forcing upon you, your family, or anyone else, to adhere to. Period.

What i had a problem with was the apparent disrespect utilized in the previous comment regarding the telescope and all that; seedha seedha kah di jiyay that you don't agree with this belief. Fine. But don't make a mockery of it. i am not an Ahmadi but still i try to go out of my way to stop Ahmadi-bashing when i see it. So when i read comments against Prophet Jesus (AS) that are of a mocking/insulting nature, it hurts that others refuse to exhibit the same courtesy and basic decency that i always try to show.

Nadia_H:

First of all I want to assure you that Ahmadis have utmost respect for Jesus AS just like any other prophet from Allah.

When Zakiahmed talked about Jesus AS sitting in the skies, He was not talking about Jesus who according to his belief have died a natural death and gone back to his creator but a fictitious Jesus who was made to raise to the heavens and who is still there and would come back according to some. Maybe Mr. Zakiahmed didn't choose the right words to describe what he realy wants to say and I think you can pardon him for that.

And I realy appreciate your balanced approach towards all the issues.

O’ come on guys. You think I was Nauzobilla insulting Hadhrat Isa :as:? I was just showing you how baseless it gets when you have such beliefs which have evidence neither from Quran/Hadith nor from laws of nature.

By having a belief that Jesus is alive up in heavens, in a way you are insulting the greatest and best of the prophets, Hadhrat Muhammad :saw: When he:saw: can’t go upto heavens, how can a prophet who is a ‘ghulam’ of AnHuzur :saw: can go up in heavens ‘bodily’.

You know Kufar-e-Makkah used to ask Huzur :saw: that we’d only believe in you:saw: if you show us that you can go up in heavens bodily and come down bodily, but his:saw: response was that I am only a bashr(mortal). Means, ‘mortal’ can’t go up in heavens ‘bodily’.

To support my view, I’ve following verse from Holy Quran:

17: 91. And they say, `We will not believe in thee until thou cause a spring to gush forth for us from the earth;

17: 92. `Or, thou have a garden of date-palms and vines and cause streams to gush forth in the midst thereof in abundance;

17: 93. `Or, thou cause the heaven to fall upon us in pieces, as thou hast claimed, or, thou bring Allah and the angels before us face to face;

17: 94. Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.' Say, Holy is my Lord ! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’

Now, just think twice b4 you keep such beliefs.

So now you know your faith is insulting AnHuzur:saw:. Because you believe that Jesus:as: is alive up in heavens (so he must be immortal according to Huzur’s:saw: belief). But Huzur:saw: was a mortal as he died a natural death.

I wonder why you guys become so sensitive when it comes to Jesus:as: and so insensitive when it comes to the khatamun Nabiyyeen, the best of the prophets, Hadhrat Muhammad Mustafa :saw:.