A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

[AQ]

Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

Some Atheist may wanna check something here:

[media]http://www2.nooralanoor.com/video/source/Jeffrey%20Lang/Pillars%20of%20Islam%20-%20The%20Spiritual%20Dimensions%20[QA]%20[225k].rm[/media]

[Light_Bearer]

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^I can't see this video because nowadays i am travelling and connecting through mobile and the connection speed sucks. If you can give me the highlights will be appreciated.

[system]

Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

@USResident

But do you actually feel that God exists or do you really believe in what you believe? Or is this statement just so can fit into the crowd. I mean belief is not by tongue but by heart.

I believe there is a possibility that god exists… And like a gambler who thinks that despite all the odds, his next card could be a winning hand, I like to take my chances and choose to believe. I guess I do believe in some ways, deep down, as much as I try to deny god through logic, the concept of god is so ingrained into the psyche that I still cant help but feel there is someone watching us.
An Agnostic is like me, except that that Agnostic neither believes or disbelieves, sort of in a limbo, a wait and see attitude. I choose to stay onthe side that believes, if only for the simple reason that believing is a lot easier then not believing.

[system]

Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

@USResident

Possibly. Though it is commonly said there there were ten generations between Adam PBUH and Noah PBUH, it Adam PBUH was the first of humans then its probable that by Noahs time there were a lot of people but not that many and it would be probable that they all got wiped out as well. However as you said, having two of each species on the Arc seems very improbable with the thousands of different species of animals existing today, which is why I think the interpretation that all earth was wiped out seems improbable as well. But you know what interestingly, if you take darwins process of natural selection into account, it might not look as improbable, there maybe very few species of animals, birds and insects present at the time, enough for him to capture them and take them. With the passage of time those species have produced the numerous varities we see today.

Well there was reason for me asking this. Do these single cell organisms die with our death?

Couldnt Adam have been the first truly evolved Human? There would already have been a population of protohumans which would have given the story far more legitamacy.

[MKF]

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creation and evolution. Is it the only criteria to be an athiest or religious. Can't they co-exist. I mean Allah said Kun Fayakun. Time passes on earth not in Allah's court. So the order obeyed and earth came into existence but through evolution.

Now if you remember the Ayat where Allah said to the angels that i am going to appoint a khalifa in earth i.e. a human. They asked that he will create the disturbance over there. Fitna and Fasaad. Now both point out that this will lead to disorder into the existing system which is harmonized. We are watching the result now in form of destruction of eco-system and possible degradation of earth in future to an extent that it is not possible to live and Qiyamaat is the logical result.

May be the earth had evolved till it was then and a human was sent who resembled in make up to all the organisms on earth because he had to survive on this earth. Just a thought.......

[Mostar95]

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Allah wanted to send a Khalifa only to earth? Earth which was flat at that time? Earth which is probably like a particle of sand on any beach in this universe?

[MKF]

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so if he wished so what is the objection. where else he should have sent him?

[Mostar95]

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What about other "earths' of billions of other "suns' in the universe?

[system]

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@Mostar95

Allah wanted to send a Khalifa only to earth? Earth which was flat at that time? Earth which is probably like a particle of sand on any beach in this universe?

Imagine if there is no life out there, very unlikely, but if thats the case and life is that rare, then that makes the concept of god and our place in the universe far more important.

[system]

Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

@Mostar95

What about other "earths’ of billions of other "suns’ in the universe?

Again a possibility that there are no other Earths out there…

[Mostar95]

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There's a greater possibility of other "earths" in the universe! Ref: Carl Sagan

[MKF]

Re: A question to Agnosts and Atheists?

@Mostar95

What about other "earths' of billions of other "suns' in the universe?

so have you found any which has not been told in the Quran?

Also how authoratative is carl sagan? He was more of a novelist than a researcher. Please quote with some authority.

[Seminole]

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He was more famous as a novelist but he was an accomplished astronomer and astrobiologist.

But since the Quran doesn't talke much about life outside of Arabia, I'm not surprised it doesn't mention other planets. But the most conservative estimate of planets in the universe that are similiar to earth is in the thousands. It is inconceivable that any of those planets do not contain life.

[mara]

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Again a possibility that there are no other Earths out there...
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What a sad possibility... That would be very lonely...

[ravage]

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@Seminole

He was more famous as a novelist but he was an accomplished astronomer and astrobiologist.

But since the Quran doesn’t talke much about life outside of Arabia, I’m not surprised it doesn’t mention other planets. But the most conservative estimate of planets in the universe that are similiar to earth is in the thousands. It is inconceivable that any of those planets do not contain life.

well that isnt really backed up by any evidence, Fermi’s paradox coupled with Occam’s razor seems to suggest to me its unlikely those thousands of planets contain life, atleast like ours.

[Seminole]

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I would think that anyone who believes that we are special amongst the 70 sextillion stars in the visible universe because we don't have any direct evidence of extraterrestrial civilizations would aslo be skeptical of believing in God since there is a similiar lack of evidence?

To me there would have to be evidence that our planet is geologically so special that it can claim to have the sole, unique circumstances to support life amongst an incalculable # of planets.

[ravage]

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@Seminole

I would think that anyone who believes that we are special amongst the 70 sextillion stars in the visible universe because we don’t have any direct evidence of extraterrestrial civilizations would aslo be skeptical of believing in God since there is a similiar lack of evidence?

To me the same argument doesnt apply to God since God is never deemed to have a physically palpable presence.

To me there would have to be evidence that our planet is geologically so special that it can claim to have the sole, unique circumstances to support life amongst an incalculable # of planets.

there is an underlying assumption there that life is a process that automatically happens everywhere there are conditions for it. i dont believe in the automatic-ness of life therefore that question isnt really a paradox for me. However, I agree with your reasoning, Fermi’s paradox could be extended to questioning the idea that life is something that automatically happens given the right conditions.

[ravage]

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i notice a lot of athiests emotionally/psychologically put life in the cosmos at somewhat the same level as a believer puts God.

[Seminole]

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So your belief in life forming on a planet is based on religion and not science?

We are so new to space study and exploration (if that's what you call our primitive technology over the past 50 years) that it would surprise me more if we had found any evidence of extraterrestrial civilizations than if we hadn't. Not because it isn't out there, but becuase of our limited knowledge, intelligence and technology.

[ravage]

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in the words of Stan from South Park "couldnt evolution be the answer to how and not why?". my belief for life forming on this planet is based on science to the extent of the mechanics of life, but beyond that its just as much speculation to say that the same mechanics must have come into motion anywhere else as it is to say that they are confined to this place. there isnt any real evidence to support the idea that it happens elsewhere anyway.

now about it being only 50 years, that is one of the many attempts to solve the paradox, but given that we start with the assumption of a gazillion year old universe teeming with life with humanity a billion years old, the fact that there is no physical evidence of their contact with humans at any point, not just after we invented the radio, is whats difficult. remember we are able to know quite a bit about dinosaurs even though any human contact with them vastly predates our acquisition of technology.