Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
yeah, and who is to decide what is right or wrong, like I said no one has a tract on who is right or wrong except for the murdering wahabis.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
1. He could see behind him while looking in front of him. 2. He could see in the darkness as well as he could see in the daylight. 3. His blessed saliva revived those who were sick. 4. While his eyes were closed, his heart was awake. 5. He never yawned during his entire lifetime. 6. His perspiration had the scent of sweet roses. 7. Although he was of medium height, he looked taller when he stood next to a tall person. 8. He did not have a shadow, either in the sunlight or the moonlight. 9. No flies, mosquitoes or any other kind of insects ever came onto his blessed body or clothes. 10. His clothes never got dirty, no matter how long he wore them. 11. The Angels followed him wherever he walked. 12. When he stepped on a rock, his footprint would be left on it. 13 He possessed the greatest wisdom of all creations.
More,
Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) did not have a shadow, even out in the sun.
When Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) sat down in any gathering or meeting, He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) seemed to be much taller than anyone else. Everyone could see Them.
When He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) used to sleep, His (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) eyes used to be closed, but heart was never asleep. He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) was born circumcised.
Excretion (faeces) from Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) were never seen on the ground
Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) never had a yawn.
He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) never had a wet discharge during sleep.
An animal never ran or turned away from Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) whilst mounting or galloped whilst riding it. Animals used to speak in their own language to complain about ill-treated from men
Flies never sat on the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam)
Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) could well see things at His back, as one can see in front
His sweat gave a pleasant fragrance. People used to know when He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) was about. They used to collect His (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) sweat and use it as perfume <
People could hear the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) in a gathering whether they sat near or far from Him. This was true of Ghaus-al-Azam-Sheik Abdul Qadir Jilani (Radi Allahu Anhu) as well when he addressed gathering of over 100,000.
I am sorry, I disagreed this these characteristics. It doesn't make our Prophet as a human being. My question is that if our Prophet didn't have a shadow, then how come Kaffirs weren't scared of our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him). How come they weren't so surprised to see our Prophet of not having a Shadow?
First of all, mainstream hanafis/sufis/barelvis do not subscribe to your posted load of crap, If there is a segment which does then it is a small minority to imply otherwise is devious and demonstrates a lack of basic knowledge.
When Wahabis went into Medeina they believed any form of memory attached to the prophet was fitna and ven destroyed the dome of Masjid Nabavi, destroyed graves, house and the tree where Bait e Rizwan was taken. SZuch are the actions of the salafits/wahabis.
Sipah Sahaba (SSP) the murdering militant organization is Deobandi and r responsible for numerous deaths of Shia and Sunni believers, recent bobm in Nishtar park is also their doing. So enough of this crap posting and try to see througgh your limited narrow minded beliefs, who knows u might just be able to see the truth.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Asalaam Alaykum
Just a few notes on the list that was provided by a brother about things that the barelvis believe.
He could see behind him while looking in front of him.
Even though i have not heard this one before, i think the brother is taking the words literally. It certainly does not mean that the beloved peace be upon him had eyes at the back of his head with which he was seeing behind, instead i will take the meaning that he was given knowledge of what is happening (and that knowledge comes from Allah).
He could see in the darkness as well as he could see in the daylight.
There is a famous hadith in which were told that Hazrat Aisha had lost a needle in the dark and couldnt find it. When the prophet peace be upon him entered the room, she was able to spot the needle due to the radiance on the face of the prophet peace be upon him. Theres nothing wrong with someone having good vision.
His blessed saliva revived those who were sick.
Im sure you have heard of the Jang-e-khayber when the prophet peace be upon him applied his saliva to the eyes of Hazrat Ali (who was suffering from eye pain at the time) and it relieved him of his pain.
While his eyes were closed, his heart was awake.
The heart is always awake, it doesnt sleep like the body does, its always working, if it wasnt then you would die in a split second. Again your taking literal meanings. The heart being awake simply means being aware of Allah in all states, awake or asleep. The prophets of Allah never switch off from Allah.
He never yawned during his entire lifetime.
Dont know about this one, but what the heck, even if he hasnt, it doesnt make him more or less of a human.
His perspiration had the scent of sweet roses.
When you love someone, you will only find good to say about them. To the lovers, the scent of his perspiration is even sweeter than roses. Im sure you will find the perspiration of your work colleagues unbearable but that of your children bearable.
Although he was of medium height, he looked taller when he stood next to a tall person.
Again your taking literal meanings. It simply means he had a personality that stood out in all cases.
He did not have a shadow, either in the sunlight or the moonlight.
Dont know enough to say about this one.
No flies, mosquitoes or any other kind of insects ever came onto his blessed body or clothes.
Animals knew he was the prophet, even the tree that he used to lean on cried when he got a new mimbar, why does it shock you to hear that animals and insects give him respect (he was a mercy for the universe not just humans).
His clothes never got dirty, no matter how long he wore them.
Trivial matter.
The Angels followed him wherever he walked.
We are always walking around with two angels who are writing our good and bad deeds, why cant the prophet of Allah be followed around by more angels. He was frequently visited by Gibrael, one of the greatest of Angles, so whats the big deal.
When he stepped on a rock, his footprint would be left on it.
This is certainly not a general rule and did not happen all the time. If you go for ummrah or hajj, you will see the MAQAM-E-IBRAHIM, which contains within it a rock on which there is a foot imprint of Hadrat Ibrahim, so again this is not a big deal.
13 He possessed the greatest wisdom of all creations.
He is the best of all creations, why do u feel you have to deny him the right of possessing the greatest of wisdoms, do you have another contendor in mind?
My summary: All of the issues you have mentioned above are BUT trivial matters and none of them in any way conflicts with the TAUHEED OF ALLAH. The barelvis love the prophet peace be upon him to bits and all they are doing is having a GOOD OPINION of everythign that is related to him even if its his perspiration. Why on earth do some people feel important to prove otherwise. With the order of Allah, hazrat Isa peace be upon him cured the Leppors and blind and brought dead people back to life. Hazrat Daood spoke to the birds. Would you now deny them of thier qualities just to prove they were humans. You dont have to strip people of thier special qualities just to prove they are humans.
I once heard a SHIA scholar talking about the prophet peace be upon him, and his words are worth writing in Gold and reflect my views. ... he said,
"the prophet peace be upon told us that he is a BASHR like us, and we accept that BUT oh people dont be deluded into thinking that YOU are a BASHR like him. He peace be upon him is a BASHR like us, but we can never be BASHRs like him."
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
"the prophet peace be upon told us that he is a BASHR like us, and we accept that BUT oh people dont be deluded into thinking that YOU are a BASHR like him. He peace be upon him is a BASHR like us, but we can never be BASHRs like him."
Subhan Allah
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Even insects and flies had respect for the Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) by avoiding going into his food. And then there are so called Muslims who don't show an ounce of respect to Muhammad (SAAS). See where i'm heading?
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Sum of us totally see where ur heading,..others remain adamant and fail 2 accept that they are narrow minded; unable to realise that their viewpoints, are not the onli ones held. :D
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
^Wal asr inn'al insana la fi khosr:
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
"by the token of time thru the ages, verily man is in loss"
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Illa allatheena amanoo waAAamiloo a*lssalihati watawasaw bialhaqqi watawasaw bialssabr*i
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Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
"excepts such as have faith, and do righteous deeds, and join together in the mutual teaching of the truth, and of patience and constancy".
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
I only agreed with the mere fact that there's more than one acceptable method of prayer. I fail to understand how you could be jumping all over my post, as if I've stated something wrong.
Please elaborate.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
When Wahabis went into Medeina they believed any form of memory attached to the prophet was fitna and ven destroyed the dome of Masjid Nabavi, destroyed graves, house and the tree where Bait e Rizwan was taken. SZuch are the actions of the salafits/wahabis.
Sipah Sahaba (SSP) the murdering militant organization is Deobandi and r responsible for numerous deaths of Shia and Sunni believers, recent bobm in Nishtar park is also their doing. So enough of this crap posting and try to see througgh your limited narrow minded beliefs, who knows u might just be able to see the truth.
Salam,
How are you? Very Very Important, Please Look!
Please do not tell me the news. If any Wahhabi is a terrorist, then should we call it a wrong sect? Remember, we are talking about "Aqeedah", not the good or bad people. A good person has nothing to do with the religion. Even some non-Muslims are better than some Muslims. Do not mix the good or bad people with "Aqeedah".
As to my quote, you disagree that you don't believe. I got all this from YANABI site. They have most Bralvis and Sufi views. Both sects believe those characteristics of our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him). If you are a Bralvi, then you must follow, otherwise you are developing a new sect. Here the list that you should follow exactly.
Sufi and Bralvi
Deobandi and Wahhabi
You must follow exactly of either sect. Do not follow half of that sect and half of other. If you do, then you are developing a new sect. If you think that I make this up, why should I lie? I will be Kuffar if I just make this up. I got this from Yanabi site. I don't know if we are allowed to mention the Islamic. To Mods/Admins, would you please allow us to post other sites, there is no illegal system of that. Actually, it's better if we spread Islamic sites and "Quran" quotes so we can learn more and more, as long as we credit them. Just like in other Islamic sites, we are allowed to post foreign links of any Islamic site.
I am still a student and learning more about Islam. Islamic education is important and we should all of that. I am not telling you to change the sect, but learn and study more and more about Islam. This is important, so we might find out InshaAllah, that which is right Aqeedah.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
For those whol believe that Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is only a human being and not Noor (light).
The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnat Wa Jama'at is that he is both Noor and a human being.
The being and existence of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is even before that of human beings, but when he came into this world he came in the garb of a human being.
The Sahaba of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) lived with him and observed him with his wives and children. They saw him eating, drinking, talking, etc. but still accepted him to be Noor.
We know that Hazrat Jibraeel (alaihis salaam) is made of Noor but when he used to appear before Hazrat Maryam (radi Allahu anha) he used to appear in the form of a human being. Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "Thus he used to appear before her in the form of a healthy (well-built) man." (Part 16, Ruku 5)
Hazrat Umar Farouk (radi Allahu anhu) narrates that once a person came before them. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) asked him if he knew who that person was, he replied: "Allah Ta'ala and His beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) know better." The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said that it was Jibraeel (alaihis salaam). (Mishkaat; Bukhari Shareef) This Hadith proves that although the Sahaba referred to Hazrat Jibraeel (alaihis salaam) as a man since they saw him in the form of a human being, yet they accepted that he was in actual fact an Angel made from Noor. On many instances, he came in the form of Sahabi-e-Rasool named Hazrat Wahia Kalbi (radi Allahu anhu).
The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has stated, "The very first thing which Almighty Allah created was my Noor." (Tafseer Roohul Bayaan; Madarijun Nabuiwat)
Once Hazrat Jaabir (radi Allahu anhu) asked the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) whom Allah Ta'ala created before anything else. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) stated: "O Jaabir! Verily, before the creation of anything else, Almighty Allah created the Noor of your Nabi from His Noor." (Muwahibul Laduniya; Zirkani Shareef)
Sayyida Halima Sa'adiya (radi Allahu anha), the wet-nurse of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), believed the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to be Noor. She said that when she used to feed the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) milk in his infancy, she never felt the need for a light in her house. (Bayaanul Miladun Nabwi; Tafseer Mazhari).
Sayyida Safiya (radi Allahu anha), the aunt of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) states that on the eve of the birth of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) she was present in his house. She said that she saw his Noor became more powerful than the light from the lamp. (Shawaahidun Nubuiwat)
Hazrat Ali Murtuza (radi Allahu anhu) said that when the Beloved of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) spoke, Noor (light) used to be seen emerging from between his blessed teeth. (Muwahibul Laduniya; Anwaarul Muhammadiyah)
Hazrat Abu Hurairah (radi Allahu anhu) states that when the beloved Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) smiled, then the walls use to glow with his Noor. (Muwahibul Laduniya; Shifa Shareef)
Hazrat Anas (radi Allahu anhu) states that the day in which the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) arrived in Madinatul Munawwarah, everything in Madinatul Munawwarah became bright through his Noor. (Tirmizi Shareef; Ibn Majah)
Ummul Mo'mineen, Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa (radi Allahu anha) is recorded to have said: "In total dark nights, I used to put the thread into a needle with the help of the Noor of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)." (Shara Shifa Bar Hashia Naseemur Riaz)
Hazrat Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifa (radi Allahu anhu) praises the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) in the following poem: "You are that Noor that the full Moon is brightened by your Noor and you are with your beauty and elegance a shining sun." (Qasidaul Nu'maan)
Hazrat Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari (radi Allahu anhu) reports: I asked: "O Prophet of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), What did the Almighty Allah first create?" The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied: "Allah first created my Noor (Light) of His Noor. This Noor travelled about according to the Will of Allah. At that time, there was no Heaven, Hell, Lawh (Divine Tablet), Pen, Earth, Skies, Sun, Moon, Jinn or Human Beings. When He decided to create, He divided that Noor into four parts. From one part He created the Pen, from the second, the Lawh and from the third, he made the Arsh (Throne).
"He divided the fourth part into a further four parts. From one, He created those Angels who carry the Arsh, from the second, the Kursi (Divine Chair) and from the third, He created the Angels.
"He again divided the remaining parts into a further four parts. From one, He created the skies. The second was used in creating the planets. From the third, Heaven and Earth were created.
"Once again, He divided the fourth part into a further four parts. From one part He created the power with which the believers see. From the second, He created in the hearts of the Believers the Noor of Marifat. From the third, He created in the tongues of the Believers, Noor, so that they can read the Kalima of Tauheed". (Dalaa'il-un-Nubuwwat, Imam Baihaqi)
This astonishing Hadith Shareef proves that Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the life of this world and everything in it. When he is the life of this world, then everything that happens in it is clear to him and nothing is concealed from him. Who then can deny that he is not Noor (light)?
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Baiychaara brother,
Salam, how are you? I know you are understanding in different meanings. While our views are different. In some of them characteristics, you are not sure. Please keep learning more about Islam and study. vbmenu_register("postmenu_4118975", true);
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
The Aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnat Wa Jama'at is that he is both Noor and a human being.
The being and existence of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is even before that of human beings, but when he came into this world he came in the garb of a human being.
The Sahaba of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) lived with him and observed him with his wives and children. They saw him eating, drinking, talking, etc. but still accepted him to be Noor.
We know that Hazrat Jibraeel (alaihis salaam) is made of Noor but when he used to appear before Hazrat Maryam (radi Allahu anha) he used to appear in the form of a human being. Allah Ta'ala states in the Holy Quran: "Thus he used to appear before her in the form of a healthy (well-built) man." (Part 16, Ruku 5)
Hazrat Umar Farouk (radi Allahu anhu) narrates that once a person came before them. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) asked him if he knew who that person was, he replied: "Allah Ta'ala and His beloved Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) know better." The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said that it was Jibraeel (alaihis salaam). (Mishkaat; Bukhari Shareef) This Hadith proves that although the Sahaba referred to Hazrat Jibraeel (alaihis salaam) as a man since they saw him in the form of a human being, yet they accepted that he was in actual fact an Angel made from Noor. On many instances, he came in the form of Sahabi-e-Rasool named Hazrat Wahia Kalbi (radi Allahu anhu).
The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has stated, "The very first thing which Almighty Allah created was my Noor." (Tafseer Roohul Bayaan; Madarijun Nabuiwat)
Once Hazrat Jaabir (radi Allahu anhu) asked the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) whom Allah Ta'ala created before anything else. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) stated: "O Jaabir! Verily, before the creation of anything else, Almighty Allah created the Noor of your Nabi from His Noor." (Muwahibul Laduniya; Zirkani Shareef)
Sayyida Halima Sa'adiya (radi Allahu anha), the wet-nurse of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), believed the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to be Noor. She said that when she used to feed the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) milk in his infancy, she never felt the need for a light in her house. (Bayaanul Miladun Nabwi; Tafseer Mazhari).
Sayyida Safiya (radi Allahu anha), the aunt of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) states that on the eve of the birth of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) she was present in his house. She said that she saw his Noor became more powerful than the light from the lamp. (Shawaahidun Nubuiwat)
Hazrat Ali Murtuza (radi Allahu anhu) said that when the Beloved of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) spoke, Noor (light) used to be seen emerging from between his blessed teeth. (Muwahibul Laduniya; Anwaarul Muhammadiyah)
Hazrat Abu Hurairah (radi Allahu anhu) states that when the beloved Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) smiled, then the walls use to glow with his Noor. (Muwahibul Laduniya; Shifa Shareef)
Hazrat Anas (radi Allahu anhu) states that the day in which the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) arrived in Madinatul Munawwarah, everything in Madinatul Munawwarah became bright through his Noor. (Tirmizi Shareef; Ibn Majah)
Ummul Mo'mineen, Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa (radi Allahu anha) is recorded to have said: "In total dark nights, I used to put the thread into a needle with the help of the Noor of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)." (Shara Shifa Bar Hashia Naseemur Riaz)
Hazrat Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifa (radi Allahu anhu) praises the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) in the following poem: "You are that Noor that the full Moon is brightened by your Noor and you are with your beauty and elegance a shining sun." (Qasidaul Nu'maan)
Hazrat Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari (radi Allahu anhu) reports: I asked: "O Prophet of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), What did the Almighty Allah first create?" The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied: "Allah first created my Noor (Light) of His Noor. This Noor travelled about according to the Will of Allah. At that time, there was no Heaven, Hell, Lawh (Divine Tablet), Pen, Earth, Skies, Sun, Moon, Jinn or Human Beings. When He decided to create, He divided that Noor into four parts. From one part He created the Pen, from the second, the Lawh and from the third, he made the Arsh (Throne).
"He divided the fourth part into a further four parts. From one, He created those Angels who carry the Arsh, from the second, the Kursi (Divine Chair) and from the third, He created the Angels.
"He again divided the remaining parts into a further four parts. From one, He created the skies. The second was used in creating the planets. From the third, Heaven and Earth were created.
"Once again, He divided the fourth part into a further four parts. From one part He created the power with which the believers see. From the second, He created in the hearts of the Believers the Noor of Marifat. From the third, He created in the tongues of the Believers, Noor, so that they can read the Kalima of Tauheed". (Dalaa'il-un-Nubuwwat, Imam Baihaqi)
This astonishing Hadith Shareef proves that Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the life of this world and everything in it. When he is the life of this world, then everything that happens in it is clear to him and nothing is concealed from him. Who then can deny that he is not Noor (light)?
Please read everything I say!
Salam bro, how are you? Good comments brother. Let's be friends. Is there a different Hadith for Wahhabi and Sufi. First we follow Quran. If there is a quote that says our Prophet was only a man like us. Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) was no more than a human. Then how can you deny that? All the powers were given from Allah Tallah to every Prophet.
This is my opinion, so don't follow that. Why did Allah Tallah send Prophets? To tell people to worship Allah Tallah, ask to Allah Tallah. Who did our Prophets use to ask? What about Prophets before Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) use to ask, Allah Tallah only? Make Dua to Allah Tallah only.
Here a difference come from Kalima,
When it says in Kalima "There is no God, but God. Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him) is a messenger of Allah Tallah. It's not accurate translation, I am just telling you for an example.
It says that our Prophet "Is" a messenger of Allah Tallah. Not "Was", so Bralvis think that our Prophet is alive. I don't know for sure. But once again, my opinion would you change everything to "WAS" when somebody leaves the world?
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Baiychaara brother,
Salam, how are you? I know you are understanding in different meanings. While our views are different. In some of them characteristics, you are not sure. Please keep learning more about Islam and study. As I am also studying.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Baiychaara brother,
Salam, how are you? I know you are understanding in different meanings. While our views are different. In some of them characteristics, you are not sure. Please keep learning more about Islam and study. As I am also studying. Please read my two previous replies listed above.
OOPS, I was just trying to edit my posts. How come it became double? I am really sorry Mods, please forgive me. Next time I will be more careful InshaAllah. May you delete the previous reply, just before this please? I would be very appreciated and thanks a lot.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Is that the end of thread? I thought there would be more replies after me.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Please reply.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,.,...........................nthin else 2 say ,.........all my views have been put across,.......