Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Errr... the remainder of us are also members of Ahl al Sunnah wal Jamaah.
I suppose the feelings are mutual in terms of hitting one's head against the brick wall.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Whatever you say.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
in Islam things are either right or wrong....there is no in between.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Noor represents more then just ordinary light. You must look at the context in which it is being used, and how it is being used (metaphorically).
015.029 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Sura Nur (24): 024.035 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His Light: God doth set forth Parables for men: and God doth know all things.
Noor also represents Islam; the straight path; knowledge, imaan; guidance.
Noor in the first ayah is referring to imaan; knowledge, as being given to Adam (as) by Allah, where as, the second ayah is referring to a comparison of his Light with ordinary light (Olive oil, neither of the east nor of the west = electricity; light without fire = lightbulb). The first speaks of giving Adam (as) the knowledge. The second is describing something which came into existence only recently. There is nothing relative in the two ayahs.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Yes, the very same applies for you as well.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Noor also represents Islam; the straight path; knowledge, imaan; guidance. Noor in the first ayah is referring to imaan; knowledge, as being given to Adam (as) by Allah, where as, the second ayah is referring to a comparison of his Light with ordinary light (Olive oil, neither of the east nor of the west = electricity; light without fire = lightbulb). The first speaks of giving Adam (as) the knowledge. The second is describing something which came into existence only recently. There is nothing relative in the two ayahs.
What u have stated is also correct, I will not dispute your statement regarding the defination of Noor, in addition we human beings are limited by our own intellectual capacity, experiences, conditioning and cannot comprehend in totality what is offered in the form of noor. It is far more encompassing, beyond our understandings.
As for your atempt to separate the two ayaths is a result of differing interpertations in the form of tafaseers, not the exact literal translation. Your version is based on human interpertation compared to literal translations offered in my posts. Keep on trying to make your own interpertations based on tafaseers that does not compae with the exact, literal translations.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
what u mean is your small world not Islam, everyone is aware of the differing views in Islam, as to who has the true version that only ALLAH knows, unless u have a special access or password pls do let us know.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Different schools of thought have different minor ways of praying. Some Muslims raise their hands to their ears after takbeer before Ruku. This means one of them is right or both of them are wrong according to you. But scholars say it's ok to pray namaz differently and it will still be accepted even though there are minor differences. Only Allah (SWT) knows the perfect way a human should pray.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Originally Posted by fartguru
Sura Hijr (XV) Yusuf Ali translation:
015.026 We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
015.027 And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
015.028 Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
015.029 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Well: Mass(mud-clay) is nothing but a form of energy(Noor).
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Salaam
Interesting discussion, but its something that is discussed over and over again without results. Anyway, im a person born into a barelvi family, and here is my two pennies worth.
(1) First of all, BARELVIS are not a SECT, they are simply people who respect the opinions of a certain scholar from the subcontinent. In essence, we are SUNNIS, and subscribe mainly to the HANAFI school of thought. There is no such school as BARELVISM, its simply stereotyping by the opposite camp rahter than ourselves. Since we appreciate the views of a certain scholar who originated from a place called BARELI, ppl started naming us BARELVIS, just as deobandis are labelled casue they follow scholars from a place called DEOBAND.
(2) We BAREVLIS (sunni hanfis) fully accept the Quran and when the Quran says every soul must taste death, then that is what we believe. No one is exempt from that rule, not even the prophets. And our beloved prophet peace be upon him and his family also tasted death and passed onto the next stage of LIFE (remember we also only taste death, and move onto the life of BARZUKH).
However, there is a differnece between our life in BARZUKH and the life of the martyrs and the prophets. First of all, the prophet told us that Allah has forbidden the earth from touching the bodies of the prophets, hence thier bodies remain intact within the grave. AS FOR US NORMAL PEOPLE, we just turn into soil.
(3) The only conflict we have is the status of the prophets life within the grave. My personal opinion is that wihtin the grave, he is as alive as he was walking on the earth and i base my opinion on a hadith in which the prophet said that whenever somebody reads salawaat/darood on him, Allah returns his soul to his body and he replies to the person who sent salaams on him. So when the soul enters the body (whihc is preserved anyway), the soul and body meeting brings the prophet back to life the way he was on the earth.
NOW i fully believe that there is not a single instance in this world which goes by without someone sending salaams on the prophet (it happens around the world in azaan, in prayers, and by millions of humans, and failing all, Allah already told us that his angels and Allah himself send blessings on the prophet).... NOW to reply to constant salaams, how can his soul leave the body for even an instance. Hence he is in a state similar to he was on this earth, which we call LIFE.
(4) Is the prophet NOOR, of course, hes the NOOR - E- HIDAYAT, the light of guidance. NOOR has many interpretations and alot are based on weak hadith. One thing for sure is that NOTHING is from Allah and Allah is from nothing (Surah Ikhlaas). We cannot say that the prophet peace be upon him is created by a part of Allah as that would contradict Surah Ikhlaas. The prophet peace be upon him is a creation of Allah, and the best creation. I believe his essence is based on SOIL and NOOR, but not the NOOR which is a part of Allah, but simply a created NOOR, Allah created angels with CREATED NOOR (its not an impossibility, as long as we dont attribute the NOOR to the actual NOOR of Allah).
May Allah forgive me if i have said anything wrong.
wasalaam
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Here are some characteristics of our Prophet that Bralvis think. Bralvis praises "Sufis", which is almost same sect.
1. He could see behind him while looking in front of him.
2. He could see in the darkness as well as he could see in the daylight.
3. His blessed saliva revived those who were sick.
4. While his eyes were closed, his heart was awake.
5. He never yawned during his entire lifetime.
6. His perspiration had the scent of sweet roses.
7. Although he was of medium height, he looked taller when he stood next to a tall person.
8. He did not have a shadow, either in the sunlight or the moonlight.
9. No flies, mosquitoes or any other kind of insects ever came onto his blessed body or clothes.
10. His clothes never got dirty, no matter how long he wore them.
11. The Angels followed him wherever he walked.
12. When he stepped on a rock, his footprint would be left on it.
13 He possessed the greatest wisdom of all creations.
More,
Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) did not have a shadow, even out in the sun.
When Prophet Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) sat down in any gathering or meeting, He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) seemed to be much taller than anyone else. Everyone could see Them.
When He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) used to sleep, His (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) eyes used to be closed, but heart was never asleep. He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) was born circumcised.
Excretion (faeces) from Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) were never seen on the ground
Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) never had a yawn.
He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) never had a wet discharge during sleep.
An animal never ran or turned away from Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) whilst mounting or galloped whilst riding it. Animals used to speak in their own language to complain about ill-treated from men
Flies never sat on the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam)
Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) could well see things at His back, as one can see in front
His sweat gave a pleasant fragrance. People used to know when He (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) was about. They used to collect His (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) sweat and use it as perfume <
People could hear the Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi Wasalam) in a gathering whether they sat near or far from Him. This was true of Ghaus-al-Azam-Sheik Abdul Qadir Jilani (Radi Allahu Anhu) as well when he addressed gathering of over 100,000.
I am sorry, I disagreed this these characteristics. It doesn't make our Prophet as a human being. My question is that if our Prophet didn't have a shadow, then how come Kaffirs weren't scared of our Prophet Hadrat Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him). How come they weren't so surprised to see our Prophet of not having a Shadow?
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
from my understanding of the different schools of thoughts...from what those scholars say...they are ALL right. No one accuses any of them as being wrong and no one is suppose to.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
yes there are differing views....some which are right some which are wrong. which goes back to what i said in the first place.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
:)
(4) Is the prophet NOOR, of course, hes the NOOR - E- HIDAYAT, the light of guidance. NOOR has many interpretations and alot are based on weak hadith. One thing for sure is that NOTHING is from Allah and Allah is from nothing (Surah Ikhlaas). We cannot say that the prophet peace be upon him is created by a part of Allah as that would contradict Surah Ikhlaas. The prophet peace be upon him is a creation of Allah, and the best creation. I believe his essence is based on SOIL and NOOR, but not the NOOR which is a part of Allah, but simply a created NOOR, Allah created angels with CREATED NOOR (its not an impossibility, as long as we dont attribute the NOOR to the actual NOOR of Allah).
Walaikum Assalam
very well said
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
That's what I said.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
not exactly.
back to my point which u didnt seem to understand....either there is a right or a wrong in Islam. the schools of thought are ALL right...so dont try and put words in my mouth like u did in the above post.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
According to you either you are right or wrong.
If someone plans on praying salaat with their arms to their sides or folded who is right and wrong? If someone raises their hands after takbeer and another doesn't according to you someone is wrong and the other is right. You didn't understand what I meant not the other way around.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
If someone plans on praying salaat with their arms to their sides or folded who is right and wrong? If someone raises their hands after takbeer and another doesn't according to you someone is wrong and the other is right. You didn't understand what I meant not the other way around.
but is there a middle? no there isnt....is it right or wrong? it's right...all are. isnt that a possibility? open up your mind a little and try and understand what im saying. If you dont get it then Id appreciate you not responding to my posts.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
To the best of my knowledge there are slight differences in offering salah; all of which are fine, so long as they confirm with Quran and sahih ahadith.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
PPl are getting blown up bcose they pray differently, its not just prayers u hv 100's/1000's of tafaseers, each trying to interpertate Quran in its own language with variations. Better open your eyes young lady and if u do not have knowledge better ask others or just listen with a open mind.