Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
btw THIS (what u are saying) apparently is NOT accepted by sunnis since just about everyone on here disagree's with you on this...and most are sunni's. Perhaps you have been misinformed.
The Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was created from Noor but how does that mean he isn't human? Hazrat Gabriel (AS) is an angel and came on earth in the form of a human being. Hazrat Gabriel (AS) isn't a human but as you can see he can still come looking like a human My point is, Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) became a human due to Allah's (SWT) unlimited powers.
Since, Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was created from Noor that means angels aren't the only ones made from noor. Perhaps hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was the only exception.
I'm just giving the Ahul Sunnah Wal Jammah point of view. I don't know what these people are. I gave my sources and i'll provide more InshAllah later.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Deobandi - Opposite of Bralvi, but thinks that Allah Tallah can lie and shatan has more knowledge than our Prophet. Which I totally disagree with these statements of Deobandi.
Which is right?
Not true-
Hace you ever read what deobandis say about this accusation, i doubt you have.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Since, Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was created from Noor that means angels aren't the only ones made from noor.
I'm just giving the Ahul Sunnah Wal Jammah point of view. I don't know what these people are.
being an actual human and "looking" like a human are 2 different things. Dont get them confused.
tell me this.....if Prophet Muhammed was created from Noor like you say then that would make him different from us. But it clearly states otherwise in many verses in the Quran. You seem to have overlooked the one i posted above so let me post it again......
"Say (O Muhammed SAW) "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that........" (19:110)
we are not created from Noor therefore would not be like us.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
tell me this.....if Prophet Muhammed was created from Noor like you say then that would make him different from us. But it clearly states otherwise in many verses in the Quran. You seem to have overlooked the one i posted above so let me post it again......
"Say (O Muhammed SAW) "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that........" (19:110)
we are not created from Noor therefore would not be like us.
My point wasn't looking like a human or being one. My point was Allah can easily turn someone into another form. Angel Gabriel (AS) from light to a human form.
I didn't overlook that verse. I'm not saying when he was born he came out as some light. He ate, drank, slept like all of us. All the Sahabah knew he was made from Noor but accepted him as a human being with human qualities.
Not only was Prophet Muhammad created from noor, he was given knowledge about the unseen right on the spot from Allah (SWT). Doesn't that make him different from us too? Us humans don't get that kind of gift. Anyways, Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was just a man like the Quran states. Nothing contradicting in that verse.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Are you sure that this is not simply a reference to being a “soul” that was created long before Hazrat Adam (pbuh)?
You have to be very careful when you take the word Noor from arabic into urdu or english.
Noor and divine Noor can be translated as two entirely different things.
Please provide more evidence.
I would appreciate it if you could find the surah or ayat from the Quran that you were so adamant about earlier in the thread.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
[FONT=Verdana,Arial][size=2] 5:15 O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book
33:45 [And as for thee,] O Prophet - behold, We have sent thee as a witness [to the truth], and as a herald of glad tidings and a warner,
]33:46 and as one who summons [all men] to God by His leave, and as a light-giving beacon.
It comes down to what tafsir you read.
I've also shown you hadith. You're welcome.[/size]
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
5:15 O followers of the Bible! Now there has come unto you Our Apostle, to make clear unto you much of what you have been concealing from yourselves) of the Bible, Asad(5,28) and to pardon much. Now there has come unto you from God a light, and a clear divine writ,
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
none of these verses that u mentioned state that he was created from light.
in this verse "a light" simply refers to Prophet Muhammed (SAW) being able to guide people to the right path. You know the saying "I finally found the light"? Please dont read too much into something when the meaning is quite clear.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
I am not giving my interpretation gosh. I'm not reading too much into things either. I am giving you the translation. Ibn Kathir's tafsir states that Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) is the light in this verse.
You and others are free to create your own tafsir.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
You and others are free to create your own tafsir.
why did u give this translation? because u are defending your belief that the Prophet (SAW)is created from light?
you are using these quites to justify your belief..correct? why else would u post these.
once again ...the "light" in the above verses doesnt mean that he was created from light...it simply means Allah called him a light for no other reason than that one is guided by him in the same way that one is guided by light in darkness. It's quite simple and clear cut.
You need to cautious when interpreting the Quran. Like everyone said...there isnt a verse in the Quran that states Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was created from "Noor"
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
you are using these quites to justify your belief..correct? why else would u post these.
once again ...the "light" in the above verses doesnt mean that he was created from light...it simply means Allah called him a light for no other reason than that one is guided by him in the same way that one is guided by light in darkness. It's quite simple and clear cut.
You need to cautious when interpreting the Quran. Like everyone said...there isnt a verse in the Quran that states Prophet Muhammed (SAW) was created from "Noor"
I posted Quranic verses because they were asked for. Whether or not they are my beliefs doesn't matter. I posted them because they were demanded.
Once again, you can give your own interpretation of what 'light' means in these verses. I don't have a problem with that. Everyone, not just me alone needs to be cautious when interpreting the Quran. Why are you pointing at me only? Because most people agree with you. You seem to be straightfoward aboutyour interpreting, while I haven't interpreted anything. I'm done. I posted hadiths and Ayats to prove my point there's not much I can do now.
Ibn Kathir has more credibilty than these guppies.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Once again, you can give your own interpretation of what 'light' means in these verses. I don't have a problem with that. Everyone, not just me alone needs to be cautious when interpreting the Quran. You seem to be straightfoward aboutyour interpreting, while I haven't interpreted anything.
Ib Kathir has more credibilty than these guppies.
no i didnt make an interpretation because an interpretation doesnt need to be made when it is clear cut.
You posted interpretations because ppl wanted u to back up your belief that the Prophet (SAW)is created from light. these verses didnt back them up. In fact it proved that you are indeed wrong.
the scholar that you mentioned above didnt say that he was created from light either. you are making that assumtion. If you read interpretations from scholars...you will see that none of them make that assumption.
Anyway im done with this arguement cause you have yet to prove your point. I'll let others take over now.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
brailvee hazrat said ..prophet muhammad salal Allaho alyhi waslam can respond like alive persons **when u call him , he can come every where ..**
. what does mean ?
now this person associate prophet salal Allaho layhi waslam on the same level of Allah coz Only Allah who can listin always any one every where! And only Allah who never ever die
so its shuerlly shirk
You are making assumptions which are incorrect, challenging onness of Allah (Tawheed) is shirk, anything other than that cannot be called shirk. If u wish to pursue this based on your interpertations of a philosophical argument, then Iam afraid u r simply trying to prove your point by hook or crook.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
015.029 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."
Sura Nur (24):
024.035 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His Light: God doth set forth Parables for men: and God doth know all things.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Says who?
When you call upon someone/something (in belief that it can do what only Allah can do) and ask them for this specific thing, it is known as associating another with Allah, which is Shirk.
Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?
Try following the line of argument. Allah created mankind with his spirit which is what? That is explained in Sura Nur. Since humanity has Allah's spirit, then why even question Holy Prophet having nur or not? If u r aware of Taqwa then you wud also know that Allah clearly defines different levels where Prophets are on the highest level. Muhammed (PBUH) is far more important which is proven by the ayath where Allah and his angels are sending darood to the holy prophet.