A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

[Kaleem]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

My friend, I am not forcing you to believe in the Quran.

Where exactly does it state in Quran that Allah used HIS own noor in making prophet:saw:. Please quote and provide refrence.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

My friend, I am not forcing you to believe in the Quran.

if the Prophets were made from Allah's noor then why would there be so many verses from the Quran stating otherwise....

-Say (O Muhammed SAW) "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that........" (19:110)

-Verily the likeness of Isa (AS) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said to him: "Be!"-and he was (3:59)

[Light_Bearer]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

I don't know about the prophets outside of Isa (AS) and Muhammad (SAAS). But to say Muhammad (SAAS) is dead and can no longer respond to us is completely is insulting. One of Prophet Muhammad's (SAAS) name is 'Noor'. Every Muslim believes that Allah used some of his 'noor' and created Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) and many say his family as well.

Prophets have higher status than Shaheed and it doesn't matter if they are alive or not. However I believe Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) is alive, maybe not physically, but in another form (Noor).

this is news to me, please forgive my ignorance.
Do you have any quranic reference for claiming this?

[hareem01]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@fartguru

Barelvi is a school of thought premised on sunni traditions originating from Mecca, Medina, Baghdad ie birth place of Muhammed (PBUH). Naqshbandi, Chishti, Junaidi, Baghdadi etc etc these are mere names attached to their famous sheikhs or place of education, but they all share one thing in common and that is love for the holy prophet and followers of sufi traditions.

bralvis school of thought started in sub continant by raza ahmad bralvi........or raza khan brelvi.

[armughal]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

One of Prophet Muhammad’s (SAAS) name is ‘Noor’. Every Muslim believes that Allah used some of his ‘noor’ and created Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) and many say his family as well.

neither Quran nor Hadith states such a thing…

so wonder what type of muslims believe in such nonsense…

[Muzna]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

I'm also waiting for Muslim Met Fan to come and support his/her statement.

I was taught that the beloved prophet (pbuh) was mortal and that this is important because he was to be the model that we are expected to follow. And if he was given God-like qualities then that would be an excuse for us to say, "How can we follow in the footsteps of someone that is not a mere mortal?"

[Rush]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

There is a book regarding the question and discussion here (Bralvi, Deobani, Tableeghi etc. ) I would request please read with care)
http://www.ahya.org/amm/index.php

At the bottom of the page: The reality of soofism

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muzna

I'm also waiting for Muslim Met Fan to come and support his/her statement.

I was taught that the beloved prophet (pbuh) was mortal and that this is important because he was to be the model that we are expected to follow. And if he was given God-like qualities then that would be an excuse for us to say, "How can we follow in the footsteps of someone that is not a mere mortal?"

he is a mortal/human this is stated in the Quran clearly (read my above post)....you were taught correct.

angels are made from light. Which means that if the Prophets are made from Light then they are angels? this is what Muslim Met fan is saying. However this is not the case...the Prophets are not angels they are humans. If they were not then they wouldnt ever get sick, or get hurt.

[Zainiest]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

I don’t know about the prophets outside of Isa (AS) and Muhammad (SAAS). But to say Muhammad (SAAS) is dead and can no longer respond to us is completely is insulting. One of Prophet Muhammad’s (SAAS) name is ‘Noor’. Every Muslim believes that Allah used some of his ‘noor’ and created Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) and many say his family as well.
Prophets have higher status than Shaheed and it doesn’t matter if they are alive or not. However I believe Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) is alive, maybe not physically, but in another form (Noor).

Do you really believe that ???!!! So in other word Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) wasn’t really a human ‘but Noor of Allah’.

Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) has warned us not to elevate him beyond his station.

He is certainly the best of creation but was not created from ‘some Noor of Allah Almighty’.

Like others I would love to see any reference to your statement.

[system]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

Sura Hijr (XV) Yusuf Ali translation:
015.026 We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
015.027 And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
015.028 Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;

015.029 "When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

Sura Nur (24):
024.035 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The Parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: Lit from a blessed Tree, an Olive, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil is well-nigh luminous, though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! God doth guide whom He will to His Light: God doth set forth Parables for men: and God doth know all things.

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@armughal

neither Quran nor Hadith states such a thing....

so wonder what type of muslims believe in such nonsense....

No need to get defensive. Again, i'm a Sunni Muslim. I'm just stating my beliefs.

Can't find the Quranic surah but since you asked for a Hadith as well hopefully this will suffice:
The Holy Prophet (pbuh&hp) said:

"Fourteen thousand years before Adam, upon whom be peace, was created, I and Ali were a light in the presence of God. When God created Adam, upon whom be peace, He divided it into two parts. I am one of the parts and Ali is the other part."

Sunni Refernces:Al Muhibb al Tabari narrates this tradition on the authority of Salman from the Prophet (pbuh&hp) in al Riyad al Nadirah, ii, 163:

Ahmad ibn Hanbal in al Fada'il;

Sibt ibn al Jawzi in Tadhkirat Alآ*khawass, 46;

Abu Hatim Muhammad ibn Idris al Razi in Zayn al Fata fi tafsir Surat Hal ata, MS.;

Abd Allah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal in Zawaid manaqib Amir al Muminin, MS.,

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@AnGeL EyEs

if the Prophets were made from Allah's noor then why would there be so many verses from the Quran stating otherwise....

-Say (O Muhammed SAW) "I am only a man like you. It has been revealed to me that........" (19:110)

-Verily the likeness of Isa (AS) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then he said to him: "Be!"-and he was (3:59)

I am not saying all the Prophets were made from Noor. I am saying Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was created from Noor way before Hazrat Adam (AS) was created. This is accepted by all Sunnis.

When Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS) was born he was flesh like all of us. The hadith where he was made from noor does not contradict the Quran.

[P_G]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

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can you give reference of the particular hadith
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Hareem > well InshAllah i will post soon ! waisai if u belong to Sunni deobandi sect then i can also provide u about Books refrence of fuqha karam

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i** think there are some hadiths those say that earth don't eat prophet's body....thier bodies remain safe. can someone please provide ref for it.....**
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yeah i think this is hadees of bukharee ..i ill tell u first i want to conferm abut it

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Yes...please give references of those hadith that prove that prophets are alivein their graves.

And I believe that one of the fundamental differences that define the gap between barailvis and sunnis is this very belief that Huzoor SAW (pbuh) can respond to us and grace us with his presence.

Being sunni, I can say that to suggest that our beloved prophet (pbuh) is not dead is totally against Islamic teachings.

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Mazna > i wll Inshallah .. but let me one thing very clear that i said Prohpets r alive in their graves and he is shurely dead from this world ..

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U** need to find out what shirk means b4 passing such judgement. Tawhid or Onness of Allah, associating anything or anybody with Allah on the same level is called shirk**. I hope that clears your misconceptions, if anything it is Bidaa that can be used to explain this concept. Now whether it is Bidaa or not, that is a separate issue.
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fatguru >
ur defination of shirk make my point strong thank u

brailvee hazrat said ..prophet muhammad salal Allaho alyhi waslam can respond like alive persons **when u call him , he can come every where ..**

. what does mean ?

now this person associate prophet salal Allaho layhi waslam on the same level of Allah coz Only Allah who can listin always any one every where! And only Allah who never ever die

so its shuerlly shirk

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@AnGeL EyEs

he is a mortal/human this is stated in the Quran clearly (read my above post)....you were taught correct.

angels are made from light. Which means that if the Prophets are made from Light then they are angels? this is what Muslim Met fan is saying. However this is not the case...the Prophets are not angels they are humans. If they were not then they wouldnt ever get sick, or get hurt.

I never said all Prophets are made from light or that they are angels.

Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was a mortal/human. Nobody disagrees with that. He (SAAS) obviously passed away. He (SAAS) was not Noor when he came to earth. He was a human.

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Problem _girl

fatguru > ur defination of shirk make my point strong thank u

brailvee hazrat said ..prophet muhammad salal Allaho alyhi waslam can respond like alive persons ** when u call him , he can come every where ..**

. what does mean ?

now this person associate prophet salal Allaho layhi waslam on the same level of Allah coz Only Allah who can listin always any one every where! who have no death

and this called *Shirk *

The argument most Barelvis make is he's is Noor. He is everywhere now because Allah (SWT) has given him that quality. In my opinion I don't know how to react to it but I certainly wouldn't call it shirk.

A misconception Deobandis have is that they think Allah (SWT) creating Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) with noor takes away some of the noor of Allah (SWT). This doesn't make any sense. When Allah (SWT) created us and gave us some attributes does this mean Allah (SWT) lost some of the attributes? No.

Allah (SWT) gave us all attributes. We have feelings just like Allah (SWT). That doesn't mean we are on the level as Allah (SWT). Just because Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) is made from noor doesn't put him up to par with Allah (SWT).

No Barelvi worships Muhammad (SAAS).

[P_G]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

Muslim men fet

read this ayah care fully

When we asked the angels to bow before Adam , they all bowed but Iblis who said :
*can i bow before him Whom u created from Clay *

*and Allah said we all r Olad-e- Adam *

now **judge who have misconcept **

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

Misconcept. I agree with this Ayah.

Adam (AS) was created from clay.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

I never said all Prophets are made from light or that they are angels.

Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was a mortal/human. Nobody disagrees with that. He (SAAS) obviously passed away. He (SAAS) was not Noor when he came to earth. He was a human.

you are obviously contradicting yourself:

@Muslim Met Fan

But to say Muhammad (SAAS) is dead and can no longer respond to us is completely is insulting.

in the above you said to say he is dead is insulting which obviously means you believe he is alive. But in the very fist quote you said he obviously passed away. make up your mind.

[Muslim_Met_Fan]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

I said it's insulting to say he's dead AND can no longer respond to us. Make sure you mention everything next time.

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: A question from a Bralvi person, how come Martys are alive and Prophets are not?

@Muslim Met Fan

Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was a mortal/human. Nobody disagrees with that. He (SAAS) obviously passed away. He (SAAS) was not Noor when he came to earth. He was a human.

@Muslim Met Fan

I am saying Prophet Muhammad (SAAS) was created from Noor way before Hazrat Adam (AS) was created. This is accepted by all Sunnis.

once again a contadiction. If the Prophet (SAW) is created from NOOR then he wouldnt be a human. Angels are created from light only...angels are not human. Hence anyone that is created from light would be considered an angel. So in summary YOU are saying that the Prophet (PBUH) is an angel which is not true.

btw THIS (what u are saying) apparently is NOT accepted by sunnis since just about everyone on here disagree's with you on this...and most are sunni's. Perhaps you have been misinformed.