stop being dumb man...i cant keep explaing it to you...my point was that i dont know what to read and what are some of the specific things that needs to be done....dont keep ignoring the fact that Prophet pbuh allowed it...Prophet should be superior then your 2nd khalifa sahab
You have said it three times now, that you don't know how a muttah is done. Why don't you give it a break and allow someone else, who knows, to answer? I mean, duh!
And I am not ignoring anything, but I don't want to make it a shia-sunni thing and a match between our hadith is more correct than yours. If a sunni says the same thing about muttah, I'll ask him the same question.
lol who cares about every specific detail..when we both agree on the main thing..it is a temporary marriage...you can call it prostitution..who cares? :)
Sheraz, who cares? U do!
I made it damn clear in the first post that i wasn't taking a dig at shia muslims but you guys seem 2 have taken it very personally.
All I wanted were a few straight answers.
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There is something about Muta that I just can’t understand
There is actually 2 believe regarding this topic.
Firstly in the earlier part of Islam Prophet army in some battle (eg badar) use to contract muta.
Now my question is regarding the banning of muta, when did that actually happen?
The reference that I have stated it was banned in the day of Khyber
And another reference says it was banned in the days of Hazrat Umar because it was no longer applicable to us.
Which one of this belief is accurate/authentic?
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Disagree again.. If one misinterprets verses about 'ma malakat aimanukum' and insists on translating it as "slaves" or "concubines" then it's their problem. A religion right and straigth as Islam cannot claim to be all that if has such loopholes.
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and how do u translate "ma malakat aymanukum"????
It's literally translated as "those whom your right hand possesses". Depending on the context, I understand it as those to whom u've given an oath or those who are under your monetary protection.. they are not 'slaves' or your booty (pun unintended) to enjoy as many muslim scholars would want us to believe.
Pakistani Abroad and armughal:
I kinda lost the argument somewhere earlier. Are you guys discussing muttah? Are you saying it is permissible to do muttah or prohibited? Or is it some other discussion?
I was hoping someone knowledgable can come in and explain what constitutes muttah, and how is it different from the example I quoted in the first post on top of page 2 in this very thread.
Some of our brothers marry women in the US for green cards and then dump them. Does that make nikah lose its appeal ?
Permanent marriage is a mis-conception because you are allowed to divorce - so thats an error.
Mutah, like anything else is based on intention. You can use namaz as a way of deceiving someone as well. Portray yrself as a religious person and then cheat someone of their money or daughter, or...
You will never win with this argument.
The iddat for the woman is 2 menstrual cycles.
A child born out of mutah has the rights to inheritance.
Mutah is a legal obligation to Allah (swt) and his holy prophet (pbuh). The contract MUST be agreed upon by both parties. You do not have to stipulate sex.
Mutah is practised based on circumstance.
If the only thing you can continuously come up with is a prostitiution scenario, then you'll have to grow up a bit before discussing such issues.
Sobi - according to my knowledge, the concept of Mutah came into being when wars started and there were more widows around than men available for them. It has nothing to do with slaves/concubines. Yes, it is a "temporary" marriage, but not a one-night stand. I believe I was told it had to be atleast a three days, and the man supports the children from that marriage. Also, in Iran when Shias go for their pilgrimage, mutah brokers can be found who will arrange matters such for the pilgrims.
Shia-sunni marriages are null and void according to the sunni tradition, because Shias indulge in shirk. So, most imams will agree that shia boys cannot marry sunni girls, since the progeny in all likelihood will become shia. Sunni boys however can marry shia girls because the children will be sunni. Or atleast, that is what the imams think.
Yes, religion has its double standards like anything else.
Very good points Gandalf. Interesting practice, I must say.
Gandalf... its very interesting.
Without going into a lot of word-play, lets say, a guy wants to have sex with a girl. They say, ok the best way to do it is by a niyyat of "muttah". They agree that it will be protected sex so there will be no pregnancy. He agrees to pay her $100 for one night of muttah (or $300 for 3 nights, whatever). They have sex and sleep together. And the next day they go their separate ways. Both the girl and the guy earn a lot of sawaab from this all. The only stipulation is that the girl can not enter into another muttah for 2 months.
More over, lets say a boy and a girl wanna "test drive" how it feels to live together without a nikkah. So they do a "muttah" for one month for a specified sum of money. They live together, have sex (protected, ofcourse!). After one month, they break off. They get sawaab for the one month they lived together.
You are saying this is perfectly fine? Just say yes or no, and lets wrap up this discussion.
If both parties have agreed. If she is not a virgin. If they have used Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh) as a witness to this arrangement. It is ok.
Those faithful believers, however, do not use it for the purpose of a one night stand. Just as believers do not tell lies to women who are American citizens and marry them for their green cards while having a wife or wives back in India or Pakistan.
Getting to know yr partner before marriage is a good use of mutah. Travellers away from their home for long periods of time can do mutah.
You always get sawab in anything you do, as long as it satisfies the sunnat of the prophet (pbuh) of Allah (swt). You don't have to be sarcastic about that.
Bottomline is, the prophet (pbuh) did not see a problem with it, so if you do, its not going to affect anyone an atom's weight.
I can conclude that Muta is not all about physical stuff.
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If both parties have agreed. If she is not a virgin. If they have used Allah (swt) and his prophet (pbuh) as a witness to this arrangement. **It is ok*.
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Please elaborate in detail the whole procedure for converting to shiasm. I am sure there will be plenty of people who are suddenly very interested now. No kidding. Not only is 'this' allowed, there is extra sawaab as well.
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Those faithful believers, however, do not use it for this purpose.
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Lets keep green card out of this discussion. We are talking about getting sawaab here. So what exactly the "faithful believers" use this practice for, in current times? Please tell us.
Thank you.
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I can conclude that Muta is not all about physical stuff.
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It may not be designed entirely for that, but it seems it can be used for physical stuff, rather that will be the primary use, otherwise for simple chat with a girl you don't need to do nikkah or muttah.
By the way, what is the basis of your conclusion?
Look through my posts and you'll see that I've already told you many how mutah is used by believers.
Convert to shiaism by all means for mutah and by accepting the holy prophet (pbuh) as the final messenger and his holy ahl-bait (as) as Allah's (swt) wasis.
Could your frustation be that you cannot find a woman, even for mutah ? Or may be they want $1000 from you instead of $100 ?
Gandalf,
no one is condoning or declaring halaal the green card marriages.
i have yet to establish from the arguments the basic difference between a muta and 'nikah'.
Is it that mutah is for a prescribed period and nikah for period unknown?
So if a person knows he's gonna divorce someone one month or week later but marries them nevertheless, should they use mutah instead to be absolved of any sin?
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It may not be designed entirely for that, but it seems it can be used for physical stuff
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Just as a niqah can be used to obtain green cards :)
Brother, we are going in circles now. Let's drop it for the sake of others on this board.