But Sheraz, if a guy finds me attractive and offers to pay me/give me something for sleeping with him, doesn't that make me a prostitute? Essentially, this is what Mutah is.
I understand that the reasons aren't always sexual, but the fact taht a guy can marry a girl for the night - and pay her for it - still freaks me.
At the end of the day, u can't compare mutah to permanent marriages. The foundation of permanent marriages is built on the concept of love and everlastingness. The concept of Mutbah (in sexual terms) is built on the guy getting his leg over.
Intension and purpose of some law always supercedes all factors.. and Islamic law is a contineous process with ijma and ijtihad always conributing things that are helpful to society.. these derived laws which should not contradict quran or sunnah.. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) never said against the purchase of slaves or concubines but muslims were advised to set them free. and we have seen we dont see them around these days..
As intension is the most important factor and marriage can be done for anight if intension is not right.. so Islam stresses on intension rather than ritual.. Mutah was allowed under some conditions.. the only thing i read about was about some sahabi who were in far flung areas for years and full responsibiltry of marriage would not had been fulfilled.. so it was allowed.. but with passage to time..advancement in communication systems render this redundant.. if ijmah is done today it can easily be ruled out..
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if ijmah is done today it can easily be ruled out..
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disagree.. the basic principles of religion should be strong and clear... details may be worked out by people. Islam is very clear on matters of matrimony laying down the conditions.
The 'mutah' thingy is just a bad interpretation of quranic texts supported once again by post qur'anic narrations.... the root of all problems as usual.
disagree.. the basic principles of religion should be strong and clear... details may be worked out by people. Islam is very clear on matters of matrimony laying down the conditions.
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so what about captured woman in war.. made concubines.. are those still allowed in these days? those come in matrimony and relationship matters too.. Islam urges ijma .. and istihsan or common sense..
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so what about captured woman in war.. made concubines.. are those still allowed in these days? those come in matrimony and relationship matters too.. Islam urges ijma .. and istihsan or common sense..
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Disagree again.. If one misinterprets verses about 'ma malakat aimanukum' and insists on translating it as "slaves" or "concubines" then it's their problem. A religion right and straigth as Islam cannot claim to be all that if has such loopholes.
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Gandolf, but if the intention = anything other than lust, surely the guy would enter into a more permanent system of marriage?
Also, can guys do mutah with women who've already/are currently married?
And why does the guy have to pay the girl - this is what makes the whole mutah business sound like prostitution.
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its same as haq mahar!! once you get married..your parents will tell the guy and his parents that for haq mahar we want 1 million pounds..so if u ever to get a divorce, ur huby will have to pay you 1 million pounds
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Gandolf, but if the intention = anything other than lust, surely the guy would enter into a more permanent system of marriage?
Also, can guys do mutah with women who've already/are currently married?
And why does the guy have to pay the girl - this is what makes the whole mutah business sound like prostitution.
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Mutah can be used to get to know the person before entering into a permanent marriage. This does not have to involve sex. Something like being engaged to a person. Under mutah, you can talk and go out with the person without violating islamic laws.
You do not have to make money a part of the quran. You could give a copy of the quran if you wanted. Whatever the contract, it has to be agreed upon by both parties.
Ofcourse you cannot do mutah with a woman who is already married. A married man can perform mutah, however. It is not necessary for him to tell his permanent wife about this arrangement.
If you think it is like prostitution, then you will have to admit that at one time, the holy prophet (pbuh) allowed prostitution. Whether he revoked mutah or not is another issue.
Reading all the replies so far, the emphasis is on haq-mehar. Though no one mentioned any minimum and maximum for haq mehar for muttah.
So, it can be, lets say US$100, and the time limit is one night. So the guy pays up the haq-mehar of US$100, he and the girl sleep together, have sex. And in the morning, go their separate ways. And all the shia friends here are saying, "yup, thats allowed".
Very interesting. Like Sobi, I'd say, thats a darn similar to getting a woman for the night and negotiate an appropriate payment, and just call it "haq-mehar". Don't wanna say the "P" word, but dudes, this is mighty convenient.
I think the only stumbling block will be the iddat. Dunno how long is the iddat for the woman. That can be a potential loss of revenue. But the best part is that she is getting blessings and sawaab all along.
If you think it is like prostitution, then you will have to admit that at one time, the holy prophet (pbuh) allowed prostitution. Whether he revoked mutah or not is another issue.
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Ok good. So you say muttah is different from prostitution. And hence your earlier quote by Gandalf becomes irrelevant.
Lets move on.
Now, based on the example I quoted in my earlier post, tell me if this is a valid muttah or not? If no, pls tell me what needs to be changed to make it a valid muttah. If yes, how is it different from picking a girl (read 'prostritute') from the road and having sex with her for one night or one hour and pay her for that?
Thanks
ps. Pls no web-links. Just simple words. Jazak allah.
you are still not getting it..gandalf was being sarcastic in his post...he said if Prophet pbuh didnt think it was prostitution then who are you to say it is...I have not not mutah so i am not sure exactly what steps to take in order to do it..but i know its very much like nikkah
Compared to muttah (as you guys explained it in this thread), there seem two very major differences in a Nikah, (1) in a nikah, there is no time limit; and (2) it is publicly announced (a proper nikah can not be done in secrecy).
You admit you don't know about muttah much, but still you will like to defend it? Gandalf was just being sarcastic and you actually quoted him? Ah well... May I suggest you read my example, and find out how a muttah is different from prostitution. Or what makes that transaction acceptable as a muttah. And then tell us all.
you just dont get it do you...firstly gandalf had a great point and his tone was sarcastic...i totally agree with it though because if it was happening in the time of Prophet pbuh then who is sadi sobi or faisal to object it now.. and i said i dont know the steps to do mutah..well i dont really know how the nikkah is done so who cares..if i am ever interested in mutah or nikkah i will find out what steps needs to be taken..and if its allowed in my religion then its up to me to do it or not do it..you can call it whatever you want
If you don't know what or how a muttah is done, then you should have stayed quiet or atleast tried to find out before starting to defend it.
If you don't know thats fine. I would hope other people who are so helpfully explaining about it in this thread will come forward and respond to my first post. I still say, when you think about it, Sobi has a point.
