A Question for members of the Ahmadiyya Jamaat

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Peace Destino

There is no baffling aspects to the ahadith ... the only people they baffle are like you. Ahadith such as the ones you quote I have not taken literally, in fact I haven't quoted them at all.

As for the Imam aspect all of your ahadith are vague and ambiguous. Read up on the science of ahadith to understand my point. When I said that prophets are not Imams, I meant it in the sense that Imam/Khaliphs/Followers of prophets .... Prophets are a source from Allah direct and the prophet Muhammad (SAW) was indeed a leader of prayers, but he is not called an Imam ... nor can you limit your understand of the hadith to all of the progeny of Abraham (AS) being prophets. There were many amongst them who were not Imams or prophets.

The specific connotation to Isa (AS) is his duah was accepted ... every prophet has wanted to be one of the last Ummah and it was Isa (AS) who was accepted. The hadith that refer to the second coming of Isa (AS) is he in person ... yet the Ahmadiyya mindset falls short of this and claim it was not Isa (AS) himself but only his messianic essence that is to come back. This is playing word games and acrobatics with the sciptures.

Going back to the issue of irradication of swine ... why can't you believe it? Why is it baffling? Why can't the cross be broken?

I agree there are many hadith that should be taken only metaphorically. However, some obvious ones and ayat of the Qur'an have not been taken literally enough by the Ahmadiyya Jamaat. In fact, the only basis for their arguments is logic and logic alone, where consensus and the complete set of hadith are not considered and brushed off as fabricated or misinterpreted.

If you believe that certain hadith will not be actioned literally then which ones are they and we can discuss them in more detail and you will hopefully see that there is no basis to the alleged claims of following hadith too literally.

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Prophets did indeed wished to be born in the Ummah of RusoolAllah (saw), but the reason that Allah would put the whole humnity in such a turmoil just to accept the wishes of one of his prophets is a childish notion. Similar to the notion that Allah (swt) deceived all the jews and followers of Jesus and romans when he literally elevated him to the skies. Jews were happy that they killed him, Romans thought that he has died and even his own followers took him for dead. What is the hikmat in that? Yes there is one.. Jesus wanted to come back later as he did not like the conditions at his time. He wanted powers to fly and annihilate his enemies etc etc. These indeed will be granted to the literal "waiting in heavens to come back" jesus, along with the entertainment of a pig hunt. The pig hunt, as I roughly estimate, will take atleast 5 years with superpowers and decades if done in the right spirit of hunting.

Pashtuns?
Pashtuns?
Pashtuns?
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You take the killing of the pig literally, you take the word ‘Khatam’ as ‘best’ when even the Arabs, who speak that language know it means ‘last’…

Man, I gave up on you guys a while ago…I am just glad you call yourselves Ahmadis and not Muslims…

For a Muslim following Islam, the last Prophet of Allah :swt: has come and gone and in the Quran sealed Islam with the words, ‘today I have pefected my Deen for you’…

Now, you may keep wandering around following this guy or that guy as prophets…In the end it all boils down to Aqaaids…

P.S. So who, when and where will the latest prophet? Will he also be a Mahdi?

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I just had a question since I once went to a lecture by Ahmadies and as I understood Imam Mahdi already came? and has gone? and Jesus is burried in Kashmir in Sri Nagar?
Why did he go to Kashmir? Was this predicted somewhere in writing or how do you know for sure that Jesus is their?
Also his mother went with him and is she also burried thier?
Also who is going to kill dajjal then if Imam Mahdi is already gone and Jesus is not coming back?

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Peace Sadz and Lajawab

According to the hadithic traditions the Mahdi whose name will be Muhmmad ibn Abdullah will be seen first after a seize in Makkah ... he will be called Abu Abdullah ... The Mahdi is denied by the Ahmadiyya Jamaat because it causes problems for their interpretations. Instead they tie in the Mahdi with Isa (AS) as being one person ... However, according to hadith it is categorical that Isa (AS) will appear after the Dajjal. The Dajjal is also a sore point for the Ahmadiyya Jamaat ... they never and have never interpreted Dajjal as being a man rather they say it is a system of moral degradation.

There are books written by ex-British soldiers regarding the fitnah that the British government has been involved in. He practically admitted that the sole reason why Ahmadiyya was initiated was to passify the Muslims and remove their love for Jihad at the time when Mirza Ghulam Ahmad came this is exactly what was up ...

As for the Ahmadis I don't blame them ... have you seen their television channel? It seems to me that true knowledge is kept from them ... I'm sorry to say.

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There is a programme running on MTA that i would recommend all of you to watch. It is called "Signs of the Latter days". You will find your doubts about Dajjal and other tribulations of our times in good detail.

A whole generation of mainstream muslim scholars has turned against the idea of violent Jihad and are actively trying to pacify the muslims. You may call them traitors. I say "dair ayad darust ayad".

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I've watched this man asrar ahmad when we used to have a tv.......I have'nt seen such a boring person in my life.I tried my best to listen to him but he does'nt talk sense.
once in a programme of children's class he was sitting in a chair and children were sitting on the floor and asrar ahmad was asking silly questions to them like What is a rehra(cart).........etc
then he gave them sweets and that's all..........
Have anyone heard the way he recites Qur'an....its so annoying....he sings it.
I don't know how ahamedies bear with him.
I can never accept that he's a prophet or khalife.
The previous one(tahir ahmad) was much better than this man.

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I have really close relationship with an Ahmadi family and we have talked about these issues a lot. One thing which really surprises me is that their religion seem to revolve around only ONE person which is "Mirza Ghulam Ahmed". Before anyone says you are wrong and your lack of knowledge makes you say all this, i can assure you that i have spent enough time to know what they do.

They have their Ahmadi jamaat, they only meet and communicate with Ahmadis (95% of the times), they do pray and all but their prayers, worship, dua, religious meetings etc seem to revolve around one person " Mirza Ghulam Ahmed" or his deputies like Mirza Tahir etc.

After EVERYTIHNG, they will still say that they do consider prophet Mohammad PBUH as last prophet but they are their UMMATI but in their Mehfil, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is mentioned 100 times, you may hear lat prophet Mohammad PBUH's name once.

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I really hate the differences between muslims and i would never want any Ahmadi getting harmed in anyway just because of their faith (it happens a lot in pakistan because of some Jaahil pple) but i really wonder at times if Ahmadis are really muslims.
I am sorry if i offended someone but what i mean to say is that Ahmadis seem to be Ahmadis first and THEN muslims when it should be the other way around.

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I myself am an ahmadi. I have a different experience than yours. The name of promised Messiah (as) is only mentioned with reference to his claims or writings.

Try listening to MTA friday sermons and start counting the names mentioned.

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Ahmadis are definitely patriotic Pakistanis despite of how they are treated there.

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Mysterious guy,

Thanks for your positive comments. As for your view on muslim-ahmadi difference is concerned, this has been a trademark of reformist movements that they are always excluded from the masses. I always say I am a muslim when someone asks. If there is an issue on which I disagree, only then I refer to myself as an Ahmadi.

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Destino, rules and regulations is one thing and what you actually do is a different thing. They are highly STRICT Ahmadis and they definitely respect prophet Muhammad PBUH but you can clearly feel that their religion revolves around Mirza Ghulam Ahmed.

Put it this way, we muslims consider Jesus as Allah's prophet and respect him a LOT but prophet Muhammad PBUH being the LAST prophet of ALLAH is mentioned a LOT more, we try to follow prophet Muhammad PBUH, learn the way he lived, learn his teachings etc etc etc For Ahmadis Prophet Muhammad PBUH is what Jesus to us MUSLIMS and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is what Prophet Muhammad to an average muslim ( i hope i made sense).

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Destino, we were talking about this terrorism issue the other day and my Ahmadi friends easily put a blame on non Ahmadis, they claimed that no Ahmadi ever was involved in terrorism (which might be true) hence they are really following islam and real muslims unlike non Ahmadis.

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Again, I think the concept of chronological superiority is confusing you. We do not believe that coming after someone makes a prophet superior or inferior. Thus for us Promised Messiah (as) will always remain a true servant of Holy Prophet (saw) and nothing more than that.

When an Ahmadi imam tells us to follow an example, it is always of Holy Prophet (saw). I never heard, eat in such way as Promised Messiah (as) did. Or say your prayers in such manner as Promised Messiah (as). The example always given is of Holy Prophet (saw). We follow him and him alone.

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I will have to agree with your Ahmadi friends here. Jihad and its violent interpretation is a key difference between us and mainstream muslims. I believe that we follow the real example of Holy Prophet (saw) of pursuing peace whereas Jihadis and their sympathisers are actually maligning the pure teachings of islam. So Ahmadis are the real standard bearers of real islamic teachings. If a non-ahmadi agrees with the ahmadi philosophy, they can also be included among the followers of true islamic teachings with regards to Jihad.

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So the fact that 98% Muslims are non-Ahmadis has nothing to do with it?????
You are contradicting yourself there my friend, when muslims in general are called terrorists, you choose the easy way out and call yourself Ahmadis which means you are seperating yourself from other muslims ?????
I hate the morons who blow up other people just because they are non muslims but when people blame muslims in general for all the wrong doings, you choose an easy way out.

It all come to this, you guys are just like other muslims but only a bit superior because of Mirza Ahmed's teachings right????

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"And of mankind there are some who say we believe in Allah and the Last Day ,while infact they believe not.
They deceive Allah and those who believe, while they only deceive themselves and perceive not.
There is a disease in thier hearts and Allah has increased thier disease,a painful torment is thiers because they used to tell lies.
Surah Al-Baqara(ayah:8,9,10)

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We consider ourselves to be responsible for solution for the present age issues faced by all humanity and muslims in particular. For the past century ahmadis have been persecuted because of their belief that Jihad of Sword is no longer valid. The main slogan of the mullahs in Pakistan and Bangladesh etc after munkireen e khatme nabuwwat is munkireen e Jihad. Now you tell me if ahmadis should shoulder the responsibility of innocent deaths alongside the rest of the ummah. I can stand up and say “I have nothing to do with it, infact it is my life’s mission to preach peace and non-violence”.
There is a part of muslim community against violence and bombings, but then why pro-war, pro-nuclear bombs, pro-guerilla tactics mullahs hold sway over a large population of muslims?

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I have to agree with mysterious guy on this one that many ahmadies that I have spoken to totally disassociate themselves from muslims when it comes to issues like terrorism and jihad. I was told by an ahmadie once that sunnis shias and other sects are fighting each other and that no where are ahmadies in this mess that we have created. So pretty much it was our mess and they have no reason to participate in the struggle that muslims face today as they do not have these problems. Anywhooz, on the other hand he was trying to explain to me that we are all one ummah and that they are the same as us and no difference. If you are apart of the same ummah why separate yourselves? I agree blowing up yourselves with bombs is not exactly the way to go but its not just a sunni or shia problem its an issue that all muslims face. Ahmadies say they preach peace and non-violence, well I go to a sunni mosque and I dont remember the imam preaching violence and terrorism sooo I dont feel that ahmadies are preaching something unique.

I have heard something else that sounds absolutely ridiculous but il ask about it anywayz. An auntie that lives in Lahore once told me that she went to a city named Sahiwal and apparently their is a home their which belongs to somebody in the jamat, I dont know what position he holds or anything, but this place is called their janat. I have heard other very very odd things but how much truth they hold, Allah hi jaane.
I am not trying to be ignorant I am here in this forum to gain some knowledge about these issues.