A question for indian muslims in this forum

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Originally posted by Asif_k:
**Dear All,

It would be improper and a lie If I or any other Indian Muslim denies that Muslims face any problem in India, because they do. However it would be equally improper to say that Muslims in India are Pro-Pakistani or Anti India. If that is the case then just Imagine that there are 120 millions of them and If all (or majority) of them are Anti India then every day there will be a Bomb Blast. The major problem the muslims have been facing in last couple of years is the emergence fo Radical Parties. Which causes lot of insecurity among our community and some weaker souls turn anti-national (may god shower mercy and wisdom upon them). Apart from that I dont think we have any problems like descrimination in jobs etc..

Sambi Bhai - Dont you have similar problems in Pakistan (Ahmedia/Shia/Sunni) ? Dont you have your own MQM and Sipah-e-Sabas (or whatever). Do you call all of them Pro-India ? Dont you have open descrimination against minorities ? Do you consider all those who oppose blasphemy laws as Anti-Pakistani ? Didn't you have problem in East Pakistan (Which you prefer to call Indian Conspiracy) ?

I must say that Indian Muslims who decided to remain in India took a brave decision and most of us stick by it because we know it is our chosen destiny, it is our chosen life and it is where we will be buried. You are free to think whatever you want but the fact will always be that Our Lives are as good or as bad as yours.

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asif bhai i agree with your views but at the same time you need to have a sympethetic view of your indian muslim brethren who are a victims of the facist parties if you visit places like bombay or any riot affected place for that matter you will realise how life is difficult for these muslims. its easy talking about secularism from our cosy homes but when you face the mob furry and baised police and you are made to realise that you are a muslim then its very painful
but at the same time iam not coloring all hindus with the same brush there are people who are good human beings. but we need to isolate the facist forces and the secular hindus should be more vocal force
and its good that we all speak out on this matter rather than pushing it under the carpet

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Originally posted by Andhra: On the one hand they find India and Hinduism not totally palatable and on the other hand no doubt they find Arab/ Pakistan like countries too strict. <<<<<<<

you think you can make muslims happy by criticizing their muslim brothers?? by criticize their religion? this is the reason you are behind the world.

andhra may have not seen thousends of hindus applying for saudi visas.

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

his experience tell us he have lived there. oh you poor.

how many hindus have moved in uae for jobs??? and how many crossed the border of turkey looking for a job???

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you think you can make muslims happy by criticizing their muslim brothers?? by criticize their religion? this is the reason you are behind the world.<<

Where did I criticized their religion?
And what do Immigrant Indians have to do with this topic?
I am just pointing out that Indian Muslims may find those societies I mentioned a bit strict.
In case of Pakistan, a bit starange. THey would never imagine Muslims shooting each other in Mosques!!

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Originally posted by kabir:
.....sympethetic view of your indian muslim brethren who are a victims of the facist parties if you visit places like bombay or any riot affected place for that matter you will realise how life is difficult for these muslims.
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I realize it very well but I certainly do not agree with your solution and treat cowards like Dawood as my Hero. Neither do I agree that to counter these fascists we become like them and start killing all the Hindus or become anti-India and fight a war in Kashmir along with our enemy against our own country. What has Pakistan given you that you support it so much ? Personally I dont like to have any contacts with or respond to any Indian Muslim like you.

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its easy talking about secularism from our cosy homes but when you face the mob furry and baised police and you are made to realise that you are a muslim then its very painful
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And how do you assume that I am sitting in a cosy home and never had any problems ? And what should I do ? Plant Time bombs in Local trains of Mumbai ? and that will make me very un-secular and brave and take away all my pain just because I have blasted some Innocent Hindu (No muslims because they dont use Local trains in Mumbai) souls ?

AK

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I don't know. In any society as diverse as India is, especially given the Hindu-Muslim history, there are bound to be problems.
Supporting an enemy country because of that will be a stupid thing to do. After all, all said and done Muslims in India are 'Indian' Muslims whatever Jihadis may say about Muslims having no borders.
By the way, if it is indeed true that Muslim countries have no borders, why do Arab countries have borders and why are there border disputes between Muslim countries?

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well asif bhai you are using the trick thats being used against muslims by the jewish and the anti muslim media
quoting out of context and putting words in mouth and etc
look wise guy i never asked for innocent hindus to be killed so whats this rubbish about planting bombs and stuff?
secondly about dawood i never said he is my hero all i had said was that dawood had become a hero in the eyes of bombay muslims because they belive he avenged thier slaugther.

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Good…Kabir is changing ..

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But still confused.

about dawood i never said he is my hero <<
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all i had said was that dawood had become a hero in the eyes of bombay muslims because they belive he avenged thier slaugther.<<

Kabir aren’t you a Bombay Muslim?
So that makes Dawood a hero for you by your own admission?

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well andhra there is no confusion the answer is simple its just like the bombay hindus call murderer bal thackray “hindu hriday samrat” (the king of hindu hearts)and you or bombay kid or any hindu from bombay does not subscribe to that.

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Well, I have a very close friend working in Mahindra who settled in Bombay and is a HIndu and he certainly doesn't consider Bal Thackeray 'Hriday Samrat'!!
Not to speak of Chrstian and Muslim friends I have in Bombay.
I know Muslims are weary of him though.

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kabir, question remains that if bombay hindus think that thackrey is king of hindu hearts, they should elect his party every time. they dont. afterall, hindus form majority in bombay. so if all hindus vote for him, he will be forever controlling at least bombay municipality, 6 MPs and some 36 MLAs. why it does not happen?

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Maybe Hindus of Bombay are scared of Dawood !!

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Both Fanatic hindutva party shared the glory of HINDU consensus in Mumbai …Shiv Sena & BJP are in majority control of Mumbai municipality .How do you explain that.I do not say there arnt “broad minded” hindu but justn like “broad minded” muslims they have been silent …whether they are majority or minority doesnt matter b/c they are certainly non vocal compared to extremists element among muslims as they are among the Hindus

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they should win it every time. if congress does not rule well, it loses power, so does sena.

or murali deora is as much king of hindu hearts as thackrey.

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Originally posted by ZZ:
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or murali deora is as much king of hindu hearts as thackrey.**
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hello man are you from bombay or timbuktoo?
murli deora has not hurt a fly
and if murli deora calls for a bombay bandh even his own peons will not heed his call forget bombay

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Originally posted by kabir:
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or murali deora is as much king of hindu hearts as thackrey.**
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hello man are you from bombay or timbuktoo?
murli deora has not hurt a fly
and if murli deora calls for a bombay bandh even his own peons will not heed his call forget bombay

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if cong and NCP did not split votes and contest together, deora would have become mayor of Bombay.
what is there in enforcing bundh. give me some goons. i will do that. that does not mean i am some king of hearts.

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Originally posted by andha_qanoon:
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Thats is where I beg to differ and that is where I see the problem is.If every Indian Muslim see himself as Indian First and then try to solve their problem they will be successfull in solving problem.Similarly If every pakistani brother thinks of himself a Pakistani First and try to solve their own problem before looking into all the muslims problem all over ,I think they will be better off.

Problem with the whole UMAH has been that they everyone tried solve every damn problem on the Earth and end up making everyone as enemy.

You got to have nationalist values firsta nd then relegion.

I know You will differ with me on this point ,but thats my point.

I am Indian first and then Muslim and I dont see any conflict between the two.**
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Andha, I must say your english has improve remarkably over the course of time... Good job...

However, its shameful if you say 'im an indian first, and then a muslim'... You are degrading Islam by making statements like that (youre probably taught to do so by the Hindus), if you are a Muslim i.e... The Quran and the Hadith forbid you to make such statements... If you truly are a Muslim, then you must be a Muslim first... How can you place idol/rat worshippers before Allah and his Prophet (PBUH)...

And I revived this thread (even though most ppl answering this questions were hindus) what a grand treatment they got in Gujrat... Asif_K, Andha and all...

We have slight sectarian problems in Pakistan too, but they are as a result of anti-pakistani activities and are done to destabilize the government. They are a handful and very rare, and usually 5 or 6 ppl get killed by unknown assailants... In india, these incidents were large scale and supported by the Government itself... Even the langra Indian PM went on and called the Muslims as being a menace...

The day my Islam is taken away from me in Pakistan, I will call Pakistan another India... I am so glad I live in a nation where I can practice my religion freely and without any obstructions or fear... I thank the great Quiad for bestowing this great favour of freedom for us...

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quote: Spock

... I am so glad I live in a nation where I can practice my religion freely and without any obstructions or fear... I thank the great Quiad for bestowing this great favour of freedom for us...

Spock, I would have appreciated your thoughts had these words come from a ahmedi or a hindu or a christian.

What is great when you being the majority community, are practising the faith. when your constitution openly discriminates against other minorities, and every other minority has the blashphemy sword hanging over his head, then I do not see pakistan nearing to India anywhere in terms of tolerance.

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Well Said

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Only in Pakistan Ahmedia have to identify themselves when they cast a vote (that is if Pakistanis ever vote)

Only in Pakistan should a minority declare his religion and faith when he applies for a passport.

Pakistan is a country that is officially formed in the named of one particular religion.

What an irony, they comment on the quality of secularism in India, whose first citizen will soon come from the minority.