It doesn’t matter who wins the argument because there are still areas of Pakistan which have under 10% female education and places in the last election that had zero per cent female participation.
If educated people on this thread can laugh off even the merest suggestion of wrongdoing against women imagine the society at large. They are branded liars who exaggerate their misfortunes because that’s what women do.
Of course all of these women must be lying because the courts agree too. In last 5 years there have been 0 convictions for rape.
I’d love to provide you with general cross cultural critique of Feminism, and whiz through historical overview. It’s subject very close to my heart, but I’m afraid the issue might become too deep for this thread, and people who won’t get it, will get super confused, defensive and accuse me of all sorts of things. We will talk the particular need and the current state of Feminism in subcontinent some other day. For now, lets just condemn the injustice, and commend those who represents the positive.
I’m sure the guyz would be blamed for that too, just like they were as soon as the thread was started.
And then they say, hey we arent generalizing.
Even the blog itself has extracts where “Dadi wasnt happy to hear about girl” or “I wish the coming child wouldnt be a girl” while on the other side it was mentioned that the dad was very happy to have her.
Wut is that called, something like aurat ki dushman aurat..
It’d be a great article had it also mentioned how that girl instead of cutting herself, try to become a voice, an activist, a movement against any injustice against not only women but everyone.
I said it before, nobody in the world would ever deny it happening, nor they would be cherished for that. Its sad, unfortunate, condemnable, and we should do wutever to make sure it doesnt happen. Thats all!
Who blamed the guys for anything in this thread? You and Harappan in the beginning of this thread totally made light of this issue. This is why I pointed out the difference of opinion between female and male posters. While female posters immediately saw this to be an issue that occurs commonly, the male posters simply didn’t think it happened or wasn’t that serious if it did. After you and Harappan, the other male members continued with similar comments. Just go back to the first two pages and read the responses! And yes, I was utterly confused as to why this offended men even though the antagonist character was the Dadi in the blog. There was no blaming any men. It was simply pointed out how male children were preferred over female children and that’s no surprise. A woman could spend an entire lifetime to prove herself but still won’t deserve the same respect as men of the family do just for being men. This is the hypocrisy, this is the double standard I was talking about. The less strong ones turn to cutting, self-abuse, and low self-esteem but the majority do whatever it takes to prove their worth yet it’s never enough.
Ya who blamed guyz in this thread?! The thread is completely empty without any blame on guyz at all right from post#10.
And comment like this, “While female posters immediately saw this to be an issue that occurs commonly, the male posters simply didn’t think it happened” ofcourse so damn true. All “male” posters said it didnt happen.
You can twist my posts as much as you want. But forget myself as ofcourse i’ll point out wutever you are saying wrong about me. Um.. wuts OP gender btw? Must be a female cuz “all male posters said it didnt happen”. And then the question arises, “hey why this offended men”
Further then talking about hypocrisy.. lmfao while some be like
^and I clearly said except Partyslims in one of my posts before. Look at the comments of male posters. Compare those to what female posters have said. Even after I pointed out how male posters have responded, we had even more downright offensive comments from male posters. If I was wrong, then others who came after you and Harappan should have said something positive or condemning this issue but instead they too felt amused by the blog and felt the problems women face are in their heads.
And with that lame picture you posted, you are doing no favors to yourself. If I saw this, I would be equally appalled by it! You are barking up the wrong tree. Like I have said this million times, I have no tolerance for hypocrisy and double standards. I am not a feminist. When there is a thread about issues guys deal with, my attitude will be similar to how I defend what’s right.
And I didnt condemn that? Look at all my posts. Stop fabricating them.
You are completely missing the point I made and just extracted what you wanted to assume. I said unfortunately it does happen and its disgusting, condemnable and what not. But the trend is going down. And I’d repeat that as many times you want.
Just like for the sake of example, racism does exist, but its lower as compared to what it used to be in 60s. Who in the world would not condemn that.
Jeez, stop being so confused. For once only try to understand other’s POV and you’ll notice that nobody is here to defend what goes wrong with women.
Acha, theek hai! You are right! Maybe I said it too soon and shouldn’t have but unfortunately others (not you) said some things that were far worse and demeaning. They kind of proved my point.
Well, good for you!!! but guess what? Just because it happened in your family doesn’t mean it’s like that everywhere and that goes for every.single.thing. For all the girls who you saw being treated this way, I knew many more who were made to sit at home, forgo their studies in favor of marriage, not be allowed to go out, not allowed to have friends, called sluts for wanting to wear jeans, even after marriage were still controlled and restricted by their own parents…so…point is just because your experience wasn’t like that growing up doesn’t mean everyone else’s is and to dismiss everyone’s experiences.
It started when one guy said that it was propaganda as if it doesn’t happen ever and she’s making it up.
Also, have you considered maybe it was nonfiction and it was just HER own experience? We all wish we could do certain things, undo certain mistakes but…we’re human and we make mistakes and aren’t perfect. The experiences we have shape us. As someone else said earlier in this thread…the best way to destroy someone is to destroy their self esteem.
We all know it happens and I’ve already explained how I feel about it in several above comments.
Now when I said what should be included, my point is as we understand the evil factors prevailing around causing all the happenings that turn into a nightmare, we’ve to also mention how we are supposed to combat that.
I understand its a blog and can be her own experience but whats next? Or this would end on its own?
See, one thing is the identification of a problem, and that doesnt get completed until you discuss what steps should be taken to curb it completely. Thats why I mentioned it as “depressing” as it does show the dark picture (which is real) but not the ways to make sure we take care of it.
It was meant to evoke feelings of disgust and awareness for those who are unconsciously ignoring this stuff in their surroundings on an individual level. It flopped miserably at that.
I agree and i never said that this does not happen at all in pakistan but fsomeone making an overly generalized statement and claiming that being a pakistani woman is a curse needs to be shown the other side of the picture as well.
Iam born into a pakistani family and iam proud of it and do not take it as a curse.
Then let men exercise their rights and keep their women how they please. Stop asking husbands to go above and beyond to provide for their wives. Learn to live within their means. With this logic, you lose the right to complain.
Just inflammatory remarks both of us made. 
And I didnt condemn that? Look at all my posts. Stop fabricating them.
You are right! Maybe I said it too soon and shouldn’t have but unfortunately others (not you) said some things that were far worse and demeaning. They kind of proved my point.
