'A father of the economic miracle in Pakistan: Army Chief Pervez Musharraf'

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
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If Imran Khan is a thug then this ghaasib is a criminal who would have been hanged in any other country for committing high treason not once but twice. Yes the economy has improved but it has a great deal to do with the US aid pouring into Pakistan since 9/11. Anyone who believes otherwise is either naive or someone who will just support Musharraf at all costs (because of family relations in the military etc.) I can't see any other reason for supporting an illegitimate ruler. Let's see how much of the wealth that he accrued illegally (US money pouring into Pakistan since 9/11 and/or earth quake relief fund - there has never been an audit on how much of that money has actually been spent on development projects and how much went into the pockets of the generals in order to keep his kursi intact). We all talk about corrupt politicians, bureaucrats etc. and this and that but what about the corrupt military officials. Why are we giving them a free hand? The military is one of the most corrupt institutions in the land (YES it IS. some lady even wrote a book on the billionaire military empire recently). Has it never crossed your mind how some of these generals became filthy rich? Have you for instance seen Zia's son's house in Islamabad? And that's not his only house in Islamabad.

At the very least let's see how much Mush does for the poor of the country after he leaves/is forced to leave office (he made millions from his book which contained nothing but lies according to many Western analysts). Remember when you point your thumb at others there are 4 fingers pointing back at you.

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o yaar feel free to dilike the guy, but while teh economy 'may' have had a great deal to do with military aid, there were numerous other factors.

I mean u can call guppies musharraf kay bhanjay hateejay, but goras in wolrd bank etc are not his chachay mamay that they would rate his economic policies high.

thats the problem, when we dislike a politician, everything is wrong, cant admit a suingle thing taht the person has dione that is good. another bhai sahab showed up yesterday giving education on basic economics and then were corrected.

feel free to dislike teh gu, after all there are many things that he did not handle right including this whoel emergency topi drama, but when we dont give credit where its due, then it comes off as personal rather than fact based.

abay alien ka haath hai, when u point a finger three are pointing back..unless yer thumb is broken and just hanging loose.

but when you give a finger 3 are pointing down and the thumb is stil pointing up.

snooty

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^ ok Einstein I meant to say thumb there and pardon me when I say 'great deal' I think I am giving the guy some credit as well. Even the judgements of some of these gora analysts maybe influenced by the fact that Mush is seen as a key ally of their governments in the war on terror.

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bcos goras are appointed by politicians. their opinions are highly biased and influenced by the same politicians for their own interests. why did USA give aid to pak? simply to fight terrorism not to make pakistan a better place economically. if they are to release reports which paints a grim picture of pakistan economically then that won't still well with a lot of countries. so its in their own best interests to cook up numbers while the reality on the ground is totally different. to have plazas and shopping centers at every corner does not equate to booming economy when ppl don't have the money to buy stuff they offer. a common person is hardly getting his daily needs met let alone MOJAIN and AIYASHIYAN.

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its in their interest to portrait mushy as a savior for doomed pakistani nation. otherwise majority of the money is either going to the army higher ups or to the friends of politicians. don't forget the loans of RS 54BN pardoned by the government.

Timepaas
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U can stake that claim about world bank analysts but private corporations are a even less likely, so you will go on to prove that they are biased too.

Matlab bas mein theek hoon baqi dunya ko musharraf nay baywaqoof bana diya.

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actually its the opposite. mushy duniya ko bewaQoof bana raha hai. aur nazar abhi raha hai ke KUCH DUNIYA walay BEWAQOOF baan ke bohat ziada mojain kar rahay hain :p

Rang Barangi Baatain [Colorful Talks]
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dude thats the problem, peope should oppose him on real stuff..the lack of control of the militant morons, the lack of prosecution of corrupt politicians like BB and nawaz, the inclusion of known thugs in cabinet like chodhry biradraan and all.

But when ppl try to get on his case about things where he has done well, thats when it becomes ridiculous.

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It is done here all the time, atleast by me :D... and few more guppies.

Timepaas
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yeah and that is good, u have to look at pros and cons,
the blind supporters will claim the cons are pros too
the blind opposers will claim the pros are cons too
there is no use discussing anything with that crowd.

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The economic growth has been so apparent too physically in the infrastructure of Pakistan...good article..thanks for posting

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so...um...in summary what's happening right now is just some 'Fatherly Tough Love' then?....

Multiple Crushes
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http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/05/ebr3.htm
Investment boom amid political shadows

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As we are talking about great achievements by the father of the nation, here is one he has proudly achieved:

**Pakistan: the world’s most dangerous country
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If the greatest threats to global security come from terrorism, nuclear weapons and the spread of failed states, Pakistan stands at the nexus of all three phenomena. The political fortunes of this vast country of 165 million people could scarcely be of greater importance.
Whoever emerges from the present political maelstrom to lead Pakistan will have to deal with the country’s unofficial status as al-Qa’eda’s heartland. The seven autonomous Tribal Areas lining the north-west frontier have been havens for al-Qa’eda’s core leadership since the Taliban’s downfall in Afghanistan in 2001.
From these strongholds, Islamist fighters have steadily penetrated the rest of Pakistan and revived the Taliban insurgency in southern Afghanistan. Armed militants have recently taken over enclaves of the once placid Swat Valley in Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province, only a few hours drive from the capital, Islamabad.

Gen Pervez Musharraf has never succeeded in controlling all of Pakistan’s national territory. Instead, the Pakistani state is so weak that armed Islamist groups, some linked to al-Qa’eda, have free rein over large areas.

Elsewhere, an ethnic insurgency is underway in the south-western province of Baluchistan, where local separatists are fighting for their own state. Karachi, Pakistan’s largest city and the commercial capital, is run by a ruthless political machine linked to organised crime. Another major city, Peshawar, is a hotbed of Islamist zealotry.

A state which wields little control over its own cities is plainly in the throes of disintegration. Last year, “Foreign Policy” magazine gave Pakistan ninth place in a global league of “failed states”.

Throw in the fact that Pakistan possesses between 40 and 60 nuclear warheads and all this becomes even more worrying. America has helped install a sophisticated command-and-control structure to secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.
The warheads are controlled by a highly sensitive body called the Strategic Planning Division led by Gen Khalid Kidwai. Because Gen Musharraf can trust so few people with this job, he kept Gen Kidwai in his post even when he officially retired earlier this year.
In 2004, Abdul Qadeer Khan, formerly the head of Pakistan’s nuclear programme, was exposed as the mastermind of a global proliferation network. Mr Khan, who is now under house arrest, ran a “nuclear supermarket”, supplying key components to Iran, Libya and North Korea.

**Pakistan is a failed state hosting both nuclear weapons and al-Qa’eda’s core leadership. This unique combination makes it arguably the world’s most dangerous country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/06/wpak306.xml
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The Random Thread
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The economy has certainly boomed under the great leadership of President Musharaf and his govt. Long may it continue. Ameen.

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Thats why it has become a failed state. The boom was due to the aid nothing brilliant on part of the dictator.

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That is so true, and it is borne out by the commendations from so many world agencies like the World Bank etc.

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We should be thakful to US for the economic boom. 11.5 Billion dollar in aid in last 6 years and good credit ratings under US influence.

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Yes, God bless the USA and all the foreign investors that have helped the Pakistani economy boom and grow at an unprecedented level. :k:

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because musharraf is so smart that he can fool experienced econmoists and financial leaders of major agencies and major companies. Yet just like criminals never thought scooby doo will catch them..musharraf had nto counted on future economics nobel prize winners in GS membership who could see through the smoke and mirrors. :)