A Desperate Question From any Indian Muslim here on GS? :(

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Today i was chatting at yahoo with my class fellow freinds that all of a sudden an indian muslim named girl “aisha_mohammedi” started chating with me, well in the conversation she told me that she loves a hindu boy named Ramesh, i asked her that this is haram in islam to marry a non muslim without converting him tu Islam.

She told me that she had become an ex-muslim (Murtad) becoz of her love. Moreover, she had not even stopped here she also said a bluff against Allah (SWT) also by saying a vulgar bluff and sentence against Allah and said that ramesh is of more importance and value to her then Allah and also showed a pic of Qurani Nuskha and pages of Ayah in the toilet and flush. Millions of Lanah on such hypocrite ignorant ppl who had lost the thinking power either anywhere in the world even in Pakistan as well. I asked her if she had read Islamic teachings and so on, she said yes i have read Islam, i asked where is ur Islam then that ur saying a vulgar bluff against Allah (SWT) and still ur using the name of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in ur name? u must be ashamed of using a mubarik name in this situation and with such an ignorant thaought to convert to hinduism from islam just becoz of ur non muslim love. Lanat upon u on saying vulgar bluffs against Allah and Muhammad.

Similary, i had also chatted with 2 more females and a male who were also muslims in india and they were also so ignorant and they were so influenced by the hindu culture that they were also changing there religion from islam to hinduism.

Now, i want to ask a question that what is that? Is the situation of the indian muslims had become so bad that they are even converting themselves to non muslims and becoming a murtad? No doubt that in every society there are good ppl as well as bad, but for a muslim no matter how bad he is and how much hypocrite he/she is, but he still has some thinking power and a little imaan atleast to not to think about changing his/her religion, but i have met with 3 indian muslim ppl who were to or had converted to hinduism from islam.

Is the position of the indian muslims had become so weak that not all but some of those in minority had started converting to kufar willingly with ignorance and without thinking of Yaum-e-Qyamah?

i am seriously very angry to chat with these 3 idiots who do not deserve to be called a muslim.

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Replies are warmly welcomed.

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Re: A Desperate Question From any Indian Muslim here on GS? :(

No generalisaion. We Pakistanis can't claim to be better Muslim than Indian Muslims. My 2 cents :@:

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salaam kaptaan sahaab,
i m from india and i can assure you that is not the ral condition of indian muslims....
i saw only two cases of muslim girls marrying hindu boys....
but there are surely more cases of hindu girls marrying muslim boys....
you should google for "love jihad in india"

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Yes offcourse, i have also mentioned pakistanis as well in my post if u read it carefully, but still if a muslim is hypocrite then still he possesss some thinking power and atleast a little imaan as well to think about not to changing his religion he has the fear of Allah (SWT), this is not a targeting post against the indian muslims as we very much love our indian muslim bros but my question was to confirm whether there is a minority in the indian muslims who had been totally influenced by the hindu culture, so its never a targeting post as i had also met with many indian muslim families they are religious, thoughtful and very nice muslims as well. :)

We have a very good example here on GS of our sister Adeeba :) she is also an indian muslim and she is very nice. so, this post is not a targeting post at all :)

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Nice to see you very nice of your reply. :) Thanku very much for your considerations

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Is this a religious topic or a spiritual topic?

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well i had asked the question generally only for confirmation, but the main theme was religion.

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Are you implying muslim girls marrying hindu boys are bad, while hindu girls marrying muslim boys is good? In other words, conversion of hindu gorls to muslims is a good situation, and the reverse is not?

And when the OP professes his love for Indian muslim brothers, do you not see that as a divisive tactic?

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well southie! it is also not permissible for a muslim guy to marry a non muslim girl without converting her to Islam, and same case implies with the muslim girl also. if the non muslim partner becomes muslim either he is a male or female, then its not a problem at all.

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no i m not posting my own views....
but a muslim boy or girl should marry a muslim otherwise there will be no nikah according to islam.....
if there is no nikah it will be mere adultery.....
That is why i m against muslim boy or girl marrying hindu girls or boys unless they accept islam....
this rule is common for both boys and girls no gender bias.........
as far as divisive tactics are concerned i am not a going to be a hindu hating muslim

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well when a muslim hates a non believer, then he/she does not hate the personality of the non believers, but they hate non muslims becoz they are non believers and refuse the commandments of Allah(SAW), A muslim only hates a non muslim becoz he is ordered to hate non muslim's non believing and refusal of Allah's commandments, but not the non believers themselves. :)

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Thank you for the clarification.

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Moderators please move this thread to CL&L before it gets the normal route of Cafe. Thanks

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Peace Captain FT

Can you enlighten me, when we Muslims have been ordered to hate followers of other religions. Are we not aware of the ayats 'Lakum Deenkum Waliya Deen' - Their religion is for them and yours for you and 'La ikraha fiddeen' -There is no compulsion in religion.

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Peace muqawwee123!

Can u please tell me where i have written that a muslim is ordered to hate non muslims themselves? please read it carefully you are doing reading mistakes i think. :) I have clearly said that muslims are ordered to hate the non beleiving attitude and refusal of Allah (SWT)'s commandments, not to hate the followers themselves, and please tell me that if there is no difference between the beleifs of muslims and non beleivers and if the non beleiving attitude and refusal of Allah's commandments is not hated by Allah, then what were the GHAZVAS faught for and why the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) faught battles alongwith his Sahaba-e-Karam(RA) against the non beleivers, becoz Allah (SWT) loves the non beleiving attitude and refusal of his commandments by the non beleivers? why there is also an order of jihad in Quran? and why Allah (SWT) has warned in Quran of punishments in case of following kufar? Why he had not revealed Ayahs of reward for non beleivement and doing things against his commandments also?

On the other hand, if you talk about these two Ayah that Their religion is for them and ur religion is for you, and also another Ayah that There is no compulsion in religion, then mam these 2 Ayats are only to tell the muslims that a muslim cannot forcefully convert non muslim to Islam, but whenever anyone converts to Islam, then he or she must follow all the rules and regulations of Islam, and once you enter Islam, if you leave ur religion then u will be considered a traitor and your punishment will be same like a traitor gets.

Moreover, if you also argue that to give punishments for leaving Islam is a brutal thing and its totally one's private matter then im sorry to say then it happens in all religion, whenever a christian in pakistan will convert to Islam then what do think they will give flowers to the ex-christian? they will consider em a traitor and punish them.

So, for a non muslim, it is not a compulsion to convert to Islam and you cannot forcefully convert him to your religion, but as soon as he will become a muslim, then he or she must follow all the rules and regulations that are ordered by Allah Almighty. and if a muslim leaves Islam, then he or she is considered a Murtad and is given punishment.

I hope you have got ur answer. :)

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An Indian Muslim reporting, We are safe here, Thanks for your concern :)

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hahaha indian muslim reporting. well said bro :)

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First of all, I must say this is the one of the most serious topics I've ever seen in Cafe.

Coming to your questions, Ghazwaat were a retaliation / defensive wars against the wars imposed on Muslims and challeging writ of Muslim rulers. In the particular situation, you are referring to, there is no such challenge. India is not a muslim country where behavior of some rotten eggs challenge writ of Islam and you have to wage a war on those.

Inter-religion marriages is not a new phenomenon in sub continent. It goes back to Akbar-Jodha Bai marriage or probably even before that. Yes Quran does opposes such marriages and consider it illegal. No parents from other religion want that their children marry in different religions.

In short: Generalisation is not a good policy based on some rotten eggs and when you want respect for your religion then you have to respect feelings for followers of other religions. Period.

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I think this thread is better suited here.

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^ Yes. now I've realised this fact too :)