Those barbarians just donated the highest amount of aid/cash to Pakistan for the flood affectees. If they didn't have oil, Pakistan wouldn't have aid. Think about that and keep your senseless crap to yourself. Thanks.
Oh and by the way IceSoul, it is so easy to pin point at others and not look at what you yourself are. Most of the times people are such hypocrites innit. Commenting on other things when they themselves are not such goody two shoes. Oh and another thing, one should never say anything about the other person's Iman or how good or a bad Muslim they are. It is not up to us to say/judge that. It just shows that we are gloating on the fact that we are better Muslims than others and that produces GHAROOR and in Islam Gharoor karna jayez nahi. Thanks again.
Actually, the confusion regarding "Shariah" has been created by the Saudis (who have mixed their backward culture with Islam) and Zia Ul Haq (who is directly responsible for more than 3 Million Muslim deaths).
That said, I don't think we should make the Saudis our ideal. They are in no way Muslims. They are barbarians. We Pakistanis, as a nation are far more capable and talented than the Saudis. If they didn't have oil, they would probably still be sitting around in tents raping women of rival tribes!
Pakistan was not made on Secular ideologies. India was supposed to be the secular state and to gain a Muslim nation, our forefathers and “azeem” leaders gave their blood and sweat. If Pakistan was not supposed to be secular back then, then why now? It is funny how someone sitting outside Pakistan can comment on things like this. Need for secularism, yeh right. Next thing you know, people will be talking about merging India with Pakistan.
DubaiWali and Barbie, i understand your sentiments for our religion. But the slogan for an Islamic /Sharia law country is overall, a very superficial one (especially for Pakistan, which has a very heterogeneous religious population)
The biggest challenge arises that which sect’s jurisprudence/interpretation are we going to follow? Wahabbis, Brelvis, Deobandis, Talibanic, Shias (and I am sure shias will have a few branches within too) It is impossible to make the scholars of different sects to agree on something, and if you make any one sect (which you believe to be the correct one) the official legal system of the country, then you can yourself imagine the unrest and violence that will occur all across the country.
Wait, where did I share sentiments about our religion? I was sharing views about Pakistan needing to have secularism. I don't believe in all of that Islamic sects. If we are going to go in to that, we are going to lose track of things and end up fighting. I for see a civil disruption in Pakistan if that happens. Pakistan is best the way it is plus minus few things that can be rectified. MQM and PPP are some of them. We need a good President, we need change. We need people who want to do something for Pakistan and not be corrupt individuals and loot the state.
As for heterogeneous population, I disagree. Largest followers of a religion in Pakistan population wise is Islam. Christianity, Hinduism, and others are in minority. I am so surprised you called Pakistan being called an Islamic country superficial. We need more people like you, and then we all are doomed.
Lets get one thing straight now. I don’t know if you have heard Quaid-E-Azam’s famous August 11th speech.
**“You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed — that has nothing to do with the business of the State… We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State… I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in due course Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State.”
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Quaid-e-Azam also said that “In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State – to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non- Muslims – Hindus, Christians, and Parsis – but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan”.
Maybe if Quaid-e-Azam and Liaqat Ali Khan lived at least 10 years longer than many of you people would be humming a different tune. But I’m sure you rather follow your arab leaders.
So what are you trying to prove? I read it, but you never made your point. Very easy to copy paste material. There is a difference between having acceptance and tolerance of other religions and officially declaring a government/country secular. That's what I was highlighting. I don't know if it is part of the constitution of Pakistan or not but if tolerance of all religions is written in there then that's really good. People should be given all rights since they are Pakistani and living in Pakistan. The matter stays firm that it is Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Not Pakistan.
Oh and really, do you think secularism is going to change anything? I think it is going to make matters worse and there will be far more terrorist/suicide attacks than before. Secularism will destroy Pakistan, mark my words. Taliban won't be too happy with what's going on with the government. Already we have religious sect target killings destroying Pakistan amongst other things. Already the floods have destroyed so much of Pakistan. Will there be anything left to govern?
And If only Quaid knew the fun Sunnis, Shias, Wahabbis, Brelvis, Deobandis, Ahmadees were going to have in declaring each other ‘Kaafirs’ & ‘Wajib-ul-Qatl’, he probably never would have dared for a separate homeland for the muslims
Maybe if Quaid-e-Azam and Liaqat Ali Khan lived at least 10 years longer than many of you people would be humming a different tune. But I'm sure you rather follow your arab leaders.
Very mature of you. Addition of this sentence was highly unnecessary. Shows a lot.
Yes, he must be crying in his grave at the moment. It is something no one can for see and it is not even about religion. What Sunnis, Shias and everyone else is doing all boils down to psychology of the mind and human nature. Religion has nothing to do with it. There are far more examples of incidents happening in India and other countries too.
He should have dared for a separate homeland and it was good that he did. It is so funny how the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Have you imagined what it would be like if we were Indians? No offence to the Indians though. The idea of living under the country and government of India which is secular is so claustrophobic. Yes they call themselves secular but they are not. They are Hindus in nature. Tolerance for Islam is NOT like it should be, otherwise we wouldn’t be hearing about incidents every other day.
Wanna tell me why there are terrorists in Pakistan in the first place? Let's look at secular countries and then Islamic republics, it's pretty easy to tell which one is advancing. You should read on Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, his secularist views changed Turkey forever. In an islamic Republic there is no room for minority religions and human rights. Secularism will only lift Pakistan to better heights. Where has this Islamic State gotten us? . My Ahmadi,Hindu,Sikh,Christian,Jewish and Parsi brothers and sisters in Pakistan cannot even live a free life due to this great Islamic republic we have.I'm only following Quaid-e-Azam's visions
The only proper Islamic State currently is Malaysia. I wouldn't mind if Pakistan had flexible secular and islamic laws like Malaysia which protect every citizen including the minorities.
Do not give me an example of Turkey. Turkey was a Muslim country which became secular. They had their own reasons and agendas of becoming secular. It was not Ataturk's vision or secularist views which changed Turkey, it was Turkey trying to gain access to the EU which changed it. Turkey became like a desperate Pakistani who wants to go abroad and get a foreign passport. Turkey became like someone who wanted to escape things. Run away from problems etc.
Who said in an Islamic Republic there is no room for minority religions and human rights? A republic can only be Islamic if it follows Islam. Islam clearly states human rights for people from the elderly to the women and children. Also Islam clearly says that Islam will have tolerance of minority religions, and we as Muslims are supposed to be tolerant and understanding towards people who do not follow our religion. We are supposed to be religion of peace right? So if in Islam it is said all that, and Pakistan is Islamic Republic of Pakistan then how come you can say that?
I think Pakistan should work on normalcy instead of hoping to reach or being lifted to better heights. We have far too many issues on our hands at the moment. This Islamic State has gotten us far. I am sorry if you cannot understand what Pakistan means to MANY of the people that live there. It is so easy for us to criticize things about Pakistan sitting abroad but situation in Pakistan is different. There are many great things about Pakistan that we fail to realise. Quaid-e-Azam had visions and the basic ideology is being followed but as time progresses, ideas etc evolve and change happens. Pakistan is changing and it can become better and achieve heights, by being what it is. It just needs time.
The only proper Islamic State currently is Malaysia. I wouldn't mind if Pakistan had flexible secular and islamic laws like Malaysia which protect every citizen including the minorities.
I have a close friend living in Malaysia right now and he would have a different opinion than yours. Can't say anything myself coz I don't know much about the place. But it just goes to show people will always have differences in opinion.
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as an indian please God no! :( SA union maybe in the distant distant future if both countries are stable, have good relations and developed but never this...........
Very Islamic. Bikini in Malaysia Truly Asia ad? How Islamic is that! Wow.
Oh and read this "I was surprised how liberal, forward thinking, and diverse Kuala Lumpur really is. I thought it would be another homogeneous population with strict Islamic law so I did only a 3 day stop overs wishing I had booked for longer after going. KL seems to be the one Asian city with a very modern mindset, very Western if you will. Flag is cool too. There's lot of modernity in many other Asian capitals, but culturally speaking, they don't touch KL. Blessed with oil. Help wanted signs everywhere."
The only proper Islamic State currently is Malaysia. I wouldn't mind if Pakistan had flexible secular and islamic laws like Malaysia which protect every citizen including the minorities.
No offence to you but no thanks to the SA union. There was a reason there were BLOODY wars and Pakistan/India were formed.
as an indian please God no! :( SA union maybe in the distant distant future if both countries are stable, have good relations and developed but never this...........
Anyway I haven't slept the whole night and it is 8:30 AM. I am out. Carry on promoting secularism Aashiq. Come back to Pakistan from Toronto and go in to Politics. Do something instead of talking. Take action. It is very easy to yabber yabber yabber. Good night!
