i don't think there will be any changes from Pakistan side - the 11 players will remain the same - and compete in the final battle of this series - what a series this has been - every game has been a crunch and thriller!
I,m posting this reply here, since every1s discussing the same things, as the 4th ODI thread has been beaten to death already...
The question is, if you knew well enough of the conditions at night with all the dew and wetness, why the hell did you choose to bat? I thought we were chasing well enough in the series. Also, with us, as soon as a couple of wickets falls, like someone said, we go back in our shells,,, if we were chasing, we,d have a much better idea of when to get back in our shells... and imagine the ease in batting, if we were playing at night, with those indian bowlers having to bowl with a damp ball. I think it was a pretty wrong decision. No homework done by the pakistanis. And them shabbir and afridi need to be shot! I,m more pissed off at shabbir though, cos it was expected of afridi anyway, but this shabbir guy, I reckon he cost us the match. kick him out until he fixes his runup up. And when the hell will this bloody inzamam realize that wen ur only hope of winning is to get a wicket, you dont save boundaries then,,, hes bowling sami and shoaib, desparately to get a wicket, and his field is all defensive! where the hell are your slips?! we were discussing this when the match was in progress and guess what, the next bloody over, the balls is flying to the boundary off an edge through the first slip!
Another stupid decision was when india were 4 down and yuvraj and dravid were both new on the crease,,, and this idiot starts bowling shoaib maliks and razaqs,,, IF i was there, i,d keep my 2 slips in and go for the kill with sami shoaib and shabbir,,, OR, i,d use afridi before shoaib malik, wen the batsmen are very new, cos afridi is a much more attacking bowler than malik. He allows the batsmen to settle in well, and then brings in afridi who gets thrashed....
aghhh,,, oh well i can do all the whinging and whining... but the bottom line is,,, despite all our blunders and fukups, all the noballs and dropped catches,we are losing them all on the drawing board/leadership. IF miandad cannot advise them sitting outside, hes simply not good enough. These people dont know how to attack.
wides, noballs, catches, fielding, bowling changes, field placements... Everything sucked. I,ll say it again,,, even the matches we won, we never won anything convincingly.... Gave away too many chances to the opposition to bounce back. If we were playing australia, this wouldv been an easy cleansweep 5-0 ... wake the fk up!
Having said all that....
I,d just say, despite the close matches and the series being level....
I think a different approach from the coach and the captain would've won us the series easily with the SAME lineup. I,d even say, an imran khan using this lineup to its full potential wouldv won it 5-0, and relatively easily.
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Yoyo is class but I would move him down the order in the final.
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Err, and expose Inzimam to precarious living of one down? That makes me nervous. Yoyo is bound to get his form back, but if he doesn't, better him than Inzimam. No?
Sadi Sobi: it's macha*R* not macha*l*
They’re called machal where I come from 
Zaalim, in 4 ODI Inzi was essentially playing as one down.
Also, what if we cannot bowl with wet ball and we find out that Indians can use it properly then we’ll be in double trouble as in back of our minds we have “white ball swings more in night” then even a straight ball would look like swinging ball to our batsmen 
and where would that be? Cheechoon Dee Malian? :-p
^ uh kithe ve?
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Err, and **expose Inzimam to precarious living of one down?* That makes me nervous. Yoyo is bound to get his form back, but if he doesn't, better him than Inzimam. No?
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correct. in theory Inzi should come in at 3 'cause he's our best batsman but with Affers opening, whoever is playing at 3 is essentially opening 80% of the times. Inzi is our only batsman in real form, I wouldn't wanna lose him in the first fifteen overs.
also, Youhana is bound to come good next match. the dude is pure class. I was expecting him to perform instead of Inzi. but he'll make up for it Inshallah.
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The sort of problems Shabbir displays makes me wonder how the hell did he managed to make it to the national team of Pakistan without anyone doing a solid chitrol early in his career to make him learn the basics of fast bowling. Its ok in *galli mohallay ki cricket for the bowler to kick the stumps, rub the umpire and bowling no ball after no ball and wide ball after wide ball after wide ball ... but on the national level, I have never seen a bowler who is so uncoached and raw to shatter bowling-end stumps while delivering a ball. It seems as if we get too impressed on "raw talent" that we forget to groom them properly to polish them for the national team. The bowlers should learn these basics while playing club cricket and first class cricket.... not when they are playing for the national team in one of the most important series.
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a very good point faisal... i also wonder the same thing. It is absloutly incredible to bowl 12 no balls and wide balls in one over. ...I careless how well you bowl thereafter because it is useless. It means that as a bowler your basics are not correct and it will come back and haunt you any time.
i mean come on.... excuse me.... some one should stand up in upper cricket management and ask these basic questions....."hey you, how the hell did you make into our damn national team.... who the hell are you and how many matches did you play in first class cricket.......how come at this level you are embarassing the whole country...what the hell these national academies are doing if they can not teach basics to young kids"....
In respond to your question, it all started with selection of wasim akram and waqar younis directly from nets by imran khan and other senior pakis. Even though imran has a great impression on our cricket, his role was so detrimental to our first class system as well to to a criteria-based selection process.Khan sahin thought that he knew cricket better than anybody else and if he likes some one he should be in team next day. and that is exactly how he ran the cricket matters. Do you guys know that wasim had played only 2 first class matches beofore he was thrown into international cricket...ok fine, wasim was a genuis and probably we will never have anyone like him but do we realize that even after 20 years of international cricket, wasim was never able to solve overstepping problem....we used to take pride in raw talent but now this thing is taking its toll. wasim and waqar let us through for 10 good years but what now....i wonder when our cricket will be disciplined.....
that still makes no sense. 
just give up woman.
methinks, you need lessons from 5Abi.
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Zaalim, in 4 ODI Inzi was essentially playing as one down.
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The operative word being 'essentially," not literally.
If seeing Younhana at number 3 is discomforting, I doubt it would warm the cockles of our heart to see him coming to bat with two wickets down and no anchor batsman behind him.
I agree that Inzimam is our bestbatsman and should bat higher up the order for us to fully exploit his potential, but with unreliable openers and an equally unreliable middle order, we cant run the risk of losing him. It would however be a totally different story if Malik, Ijaz, Miandad were to follow him.
We can probably bring Younis Khan at number 3. He has been getting out attempting to accelerate the run rate, otherwise he seems pretty solid in holding one end down.
Sobi: I too once called them 'machals', but that was probably when I was 3, and Roti was 'Loti' and Paani was 'Mum'. (and Ant was 'Ni').
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In respond to your question, it all started with selection of wasim akram and waqar younis directly from nets by imran khan and other senior pakis. Even though imran has a great impression on our cricket, his role was so detrimental to our first class system as well to to a criteria-based selection process.Khan sahin thought that he knew cricket better than anybody else and if he likes some one he should be in team next day. and that is exactly how he ran the cricket matters. Do you guys know that wasim had played only 2 first class matches beofore he was thrown into international cricket...
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Wasim was hand picked by Miandad. This Imran thing is a myth. Yes, Imran made Wasim the gem that he became but he was brought in by Miandad. Also, Waqar Younis has in multiple interviews said that this is incorrect that he was picked up in some obscure nets session. He played domestic cricket for 1-2 seasons (I think) before he was picked. I'm not saying that Imran didn't pick players out of the blue and stick 'em right on the big stage but Wasim and Waqar more so did play domestic cricket. perhaps not much as Aussies debutants but still...
I agree with what you're saying though. I mean just take our batsmen as an example. can we honestly say that Imran Farhat, Afridi, Yasir Hameed, Younis Khan are the top performers on the domestic scene? I think guys like Saeed Bin Nasir, Naumanullah etc have been performing consistently forever and yet they fail to get a look in. boggles me mind.
Rashid Latif was trying to move away from this reputation based selection system and move to a merit/performance based one. But Inzi and now more importantly Bari have chucked that out.
Besides, I remember reading in an interview last yedar that Inzi bimself doesn't like batting at number 3.
good suggestion. :k:
he did bat number 3 at some stage didn’t he? I think he was dropped down 'cause he wasn’t performing or maybe 'cause Yoyo was in great form. don’t remember. but definitely worth looking into. we have enough hitters at the end and he hurts our cause more than he helps it at the end. he might as well come up and anchor the inning.
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Wasim was hand picked by Miandad. This Imran thing is a myth. Yes, Imran made Wasim the gem that he became but he was brought in by Miandad. Also, Waqar Younis has in multiple interviews said that this is incorrect that he was picked up in some obscure nets session. He played domestic cricket for 1-2 seasons (I think) before he was picked. I'm not saying that Imran didn't pick players out of the blue and stick 'em right on the big stage but Wasim and Waqar more so did play domestic cricket. perhaps not much as Aussies debutants but still...
I agree with what you're saying though. I mean just take our batsmen as an example. can we honestly say that Imran Farhat, Afridi, Yasir Hameed, Younis Khan are the top performers on the domestic scene? I think guys like Saeed Bin Nasir, Naumanullah etc have been performing consistently forever and yet they fail to get a look in. boggles me mind.
Rashid Latif was trying to move away from this reputation based selection system and move to a merit/performance based one. But Inzi and now more importantly Bari have chucked that out.
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All the sport selection should be based on merit/performance not someone (Imran Farhat) cha-cha know someone in PCB, Players like Saeed Bin Nazir & Farhan Adil, Naumanullah deserve a chance to play but they failed to get any attention from PCB selection committee, why?
'cause they ain’t pretty enough.
Aamir Sohail might have been an arrogant prick but at least he was his own man and had some guts. this Bari dude is useless, absolutely no backbone. good God man, go to some freaking games, pick a top performing batsman or two. oh how I hate Bari. 
Take that all ye smug predictors!
Rahul Dravid and Inzamam-ul-Haq were both extremely tired men when they spoke to the press after India beat Pakistan by five wickets to level this five-match series 2-2. It showed. They were independently asked if the result of this match was somehow fixed. Inzamam stared long and hard at the reporter and his reply was as eloquent as it was brief: “Shut up,” he glowered. Dravid chose his words with a more reserve, but only just: “Someone get this guy out of the room. It’s ridiculous. These sort of statements are just bad for the game.” When the questions returned to the hard cricket, normality returned to proceedings.
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