30 year old Pakistani women

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And that's why 20 yr old girls get picked over older women, because the perception is the 20 yr old will deliver parathas and ample sex, when that might not be the case. That 20 year old may be difficult to emotionally connect to, and she may not be interested in making you bread, rather she might be more interested in spending your money irresponsibly because she's never held a job or had any responsibilities, and she might not have enough wordly experience to teach your kids the right things. I see this in older couples where they get the girl from Pakistan, and she's young and inexperienced in the world, and then they get annoyed when the girl becomes a mom and has issues raising her kids with the values the guy expects.

You're marrying a human, not a baby maker, or a paratha-maker. I'm pretty sure they make machines for that now.

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And I've gotten to a point where I've stopped caring or expecting. The things I thought I deserved and should come my way did not, and maybe it was for the good, and maybe it's not. But the more and more I stress out about this, the more and more I forget to live.

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ex. my uncle married someone from Pakistan. I can't remember her age at marriage, or if they have a major age difference, but she has a college education from Pakistan and used to be a montessary school teacher there. So we thought ok, mA, she's educated, and she should raise good kids because she is a teacher herself. She had two kids - one boy and one girl. The girl she taught how to cook and clean, and when that girl would sit down to do her homework she got minimal support from the mom. I ended up tutoring the girl to help her keep up, because her mom wouldn't do it, although her mom has a college education, you'd think she'd be able to help out with elementary and middle school level homework. When the girl got A's and brought them home, she was told she was probably cheating. So she lost motivation to excel at school. When she would be asked what she wants to do - she said doesn't matter, she'll get married. I asked where she got that idea from to get married and not go to college, and she said her mom. Her mom later completely denied this. Moreover, her mom's quality time spent with her daughter? Watching Pakistani dramas with her daughter - and not the intelligent ones, mind you, the ones that make you cringe. So she would get ideas from the dramas, that this is what a Pakistani girl's life ideally should be - marrying someone rich and then having drama with your in-laws. I tried explaining to the kid, who isn't much in the dept of looks, that she should look into colleges, keep her grades up, take advanced and AP classes so she can get scholarship money.

Now what? There were only 2 schools in the state that took her, and she has to pay tuition partially for both, so now the mom is paying 20K each year for her kid. If the mom had put more time and effort into her daughter's schooling and not have been discouraging when the kid came home with A's, I KNOW that kid could have made at least 3/4 scholarship somewhere and full scholarships at the state schools. I even tried sitting down with her to look for additional aide, but since I live elsewhere now it was hard for me to pin the girl down to get her to look for aide, and she hasn't even bothered - zero motivation. Now they're sending her to the community college for some basic courses so they don't need to pay the university, and they don't realize that's now going to hurt her in the long run, that she did part-time community and part-time university.

The SON on the other hand, he is encouraged highly into his education, NO ONE can bother him when he is studying, they make the sister help him on all his HW, and he's seen what his sister has gone through, so he's buckled down and doing much better comparatively. When he brings home anything from school - SHOWERED with praises, stuff gets put on the refrigerator, and he gets boasted about which boosts his ego, and he ends up doing even better the next day to get MORE praise. They want him to be a thorough professional go to college and grad school and do something good with his life.

And that for you ladies and gentleman, is what happens when you don't get to know a person before marrying them. :)

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And ironically my uncle didn't play the preferential game. He was very worried about his daughter, and kept asking his wife to spend more time on her schooling. Mom was too busy trying to get a job so she could keep up with the other ladies in the community who are working and earning their own money, so she could keep up with the jones's.

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I myself married a 20 year old (though I was younger than 30 at the time). Anyhow, none of what you said applied in our case. We connected very well emotionally, she would happily cook for me and has always been careful about spending money. Though I wouldn't have minded if she had a little work experience, but it would be for own satisfaction rather than my depending on her to pitch in for our expenses. So what you've said about 20 year olds, sure some of it may apply to some cases, but it's definitely not universal.

Still, the question was what can a 30 year old woman offer a 30 year old man that he couldn't get from a 20 year old that he doesn't know any better than said 30 year old?

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A handful of examples = Life :rolleyes:

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A good wage and financial stability?

In a large city like London it would be near impossible to buy a place in a nice area with only one person working..

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What can a 30 year old woman offer a man that a 20 year old can't? I argue, what is a 20 year old offering you that a 30 year old can't?

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That's a valid reason but adds no value when a man doesn't want a working wife and prefers that she focus on their house rather than have her own work engagements.

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age
other priorities
not able to mold/fixed habits
student loan possible
boring personality
too many conditions
too old to learn
history

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Her education. Her experience in networking and building herself in the economy which will only help your kids. Her personal and educational and professional contacts that she can call to help your kids get internships, jobs, projects, etc. Her own personal maturity - that she will more likely be mature and grown up when you and she have to deal with problems together.

To Captain Obvious: Bottom line is your 20 year old wife probably agrees to everything you tell her, and you don't have to argue with her. What you say is what gets done. How is she going to oppose you? If you make a financial decision, she can't argue with it or make other suggestions, she probably doesn't know the first thing about investing money or even how to open an account on her own. She has minimal education, so if you push her around, she can't leave - where is she going to go?

I'd argue that what a 20 year old can offer you that a 30 year old can't, is being a doormat. Which is what desi families want at the end of the day.

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The system is set up to keep women weak, and those who go after younger girls and promote marriage over education, promote that weakness.

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PCG, this isn't fair. There's no cause to single out Captain Obvious' wife - you don't know her or her circumstances and the comments you've made read like a personal attack.

Each person is entitled to marry who ever they want to: young, old, educated, minimally educated, rich, poor, attractive or not. It's up to each couple to make their relationship work on whatever basis they choose.

What no one has a right to do is judge the 30 year old woman who chose to have a career, or the 30 year old guy who chose to marry the 20 year old girl. Each person made their own choice and it's their responsibility to live with the upside and downside of that choice.

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one example does not mean anything. I can give you a number of examples where arrange marriage took place b/w two uneducated people and their sons and daughters became doc and engr.

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what if the parent is a doc and the kid wants to choose another field of study.

I have many examples where kids of working parents have grown up and complained that their parents were always unavailable to them when they were kids.

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A lot of assumptions there. For the record though:

Agrees with everything I say - if only...
What I say gets done - I may have final say in certain decisions, but it's hardly the impression you give, that I'll just say without any consultation and things get done. I leave a lot of decisions to her as well.
Financial Decisions - We discuss financial decisions and look into all kinds of scenarios together. She'll have her input in most if not all of the financial decisions that I make.

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I've often wondered about this.. The whole system works on a hierarchy and if someone challenges that hierarchy the whole thing falls apart.. I don't think it's just to keep women week tho.. Even as adults we're expected to never challenge or question our parents.. We're like sheep just following generation after generation..

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Education isn't going to add value for everyone. At the time my rishta was being finalized, I was asked if I preferred someone with my wife's background or a doctor/engineer for a wife. I said it made no difference because I didn't expect her to work anyway.
Experience networking etc., sure but I for one would prefer that my wife would have actually been there personally for my kids, to give them time, in person.

Professional/educational contacts, sure it's a plus, but not worth the trade-off IMO. Also, they should be able to earn those things on their own merits. Also, if I married her at age 30, would those contacts still be around or relevant by the time my kids could potentially benefit from them?
Personal maturity--well I wouldn't generalize anything there. I know that my wife was more mature at 20 than many women I've known of who are above 30.

That's a very good point.

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hahaha soo many assumptions. I know several men who married early 20 year olds but loved hanging around with my old 20s crew because we were opinionated and had a lot to share and contribute while their wives just giggled away.

Too many conditions...what do you expect? If more experience in life doesn't give you the wisdom to differentiate right from wrong, then what have you accomplished?

Too old to learn? Lol most little girls I've met had no willingness to learn. I remember back when I was in my early 20s I just wanted to learn and have the same attitude today. In fact that may have been the reason why I couldn't find anyone to marry because everyone I met showed no curiosity towards real life but were more interested in lovey dovey drama.

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So what? Those men you know may love hanging out with an older crowd of women as friends....but its the giggly early 20 year old that they chose as their wife. And isn't that the main issue we're discussing here? Not who gets to hang out with these men....but who is being chosen as their wife. And even among those men that you know....its the early 20's, giggly, non-opinionated girl who doesn't have much to share is the one who gets the title of "wife".