30 year old Pakistani women

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You communicated it really well. Loved the part about jannat. I guess different pressures for guys and girls but the pressures exist for both. with girls there's also the added biological clock adding to pressure of marriage not to mention its harder to study/work after marriage especially with all the responsibilities. it can be done but you need a really supportive family. thats what i think.

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^So true..

Some families say they are fine with girls working + studying after marriage but later it's a different story or it just becomes too difficult..

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Anyone in their 30’s who can’t can’t find a spouse…have you considered non-Pakistani Muslim men? Why so much focus on the “Pakistani” part? :konfused: As in the spouse MUST be Pakistani too. For a educated, Muslim woman who is capable of rational reasoning and critical thinking…isn’t a educated Muslim man who will make a good husband/father enough?

Some of you are talking about girls who rejected decent, good guys in their early 20’s. Well, how many decent, good Muslim men are being overlooked now that they’re in their 30’s (ie. the women) simply b/c they’re not Pakistani?

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My advice to all ladies you are not married.....just get married before the age of 25. And men, get married before the age of 27.

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Gee Thanks..that helps a lot. Appreciate it.:k:

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The trend to marry younger women, and marry early is pretty prevelant in Arab cultures.

And plus, since Pakistanis do not mix their social circles much with other muslims, the only place you WOULD meet other muslim men is if you happen to go to college with them (you will never have an opportunity to meet so many men as in college, but those who prefer to work instead of flirt in college or who are neck deep in competition lose out on this sometimes), OR happening to meet them at work (great, because most muslims are in blue collar jobs, not white collar, whereas most muslim women if they do work are in white collar jobs because what family will let their daughter make subway sandwiches for work, or work at a gas station?), OR in the mosque (fat chance - gender segregation, you usually can’t even see the opposite sex), OR a dating website.

This is why the muslim dating websites have become popular. It’s either your mom/dad find someone for you, you HAPPEN to find someone in your circle of friends in which case working on social contacts is a MUST, OR you meet someone online.

You CAN get involved with muslim/desi organizations, but that depends on where you live and if there are any organizations. Even in populated areas where there are lots of muslims, muslim orgs are often dominated by really overtly religious people. I found it was hard to become part of these groups - you go to their meetings, and then they get on your case about hijab etc.

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Anyhoo, the girls here who came from Pakistan to marry their husbands in the west did so by family connections and rishta aunties and rishta networking from within the culture. This works great in Pakistan, because you're SURROUNDED by your own people. In Western countries, it's very easy to slip out of the social loophole, especially if you're busy with work.

The girls I know who are still single in their 30's are not so because they're bad people or have bad personalities, or ugly or not fun. They're still single because they spent their 20's working and studying, building their lives and their careers, and having life experiences. And in the process, they are not able to meet guys not only because of a time issue, but also because of constraints that are totally out of their hands.

-Like ISNA meetings are in one major city per year, and you have to fly out and stay there - not feasible for everyone.

-To attend your friends weddings, who are now scattered across the states in different areas for their jobs/trainings/education - you'd have to fly out to the weddings to take part in them. Works ok if the wedding is on a weekend, you have that time off, and you can afford to fly out and take a hotel. And if your family is open about that. You think most conservative desi families with their girls in college are ok with them flying out and staying alone in a hotel room?

-You might, like me, find yourself needing to put yourself on a dating site for ease. In the process, you need to meet these people in real life. I found the hardest part was arranging meet-ups. One, I had to ensure safety, that the guy wasn't going to be a creep. I had to ensure privacy, so that people didn't gossip. I had to make sure my parents were ok with it. For example, one guy I met at a stopover in Chicago when was flying from one city back home. I arranged for a flight that had a stopover there, and the stopover had to be JUST for enough time that I could get out of security, see him, have coffee with him outside the security gate, talk a bit, and then get back into the security line, make my conecting flight, and then get back home so that I could be at work the next day. This sort of thing gets complicated and difficult for anyone.

-dawats - that's where most people will go to show off their girls. Again, this is logistically complicated. I, unlike a lot of girls I know, do not fly to Pakistan yearly to get a wardobe made. Nor do I have an aunty in Pakistan who can send me over stuff. My aunt does, but she usually picks fashion designs from the 80's and everything has to be loose otherwise, ya Allah, I am sinning by wearing kameez's that are too fitting. Plus my weight is up and down all the time, so sending clothes from Pakistan where the tailor can't measure you directly gets complicated, and when something is sent over and it's messed up, it's hard to fix it. Not to mention, you're not there to pick out your own choice of clothes. So, there are a lot of girls like me that just do not have the wardrobe for dawats. I have a lot of lawn, because that's what I can afford, but I stick out like a sore thumb when I go to parties where they're dressed like dulhans at a bloody 2 year old's birthday party. And then to top it off, because I am not so baller in my fashion, desi girls wont talk to me even if I try to start up a conversation with them - they literally look at my clothes, roll their eyes, and walk away.

-Network with other educated non-paindoo families and young adults you say? Ok, where do I find them? I have now lived where I live for a few years, alone, and I have YET to meet many people. I went to one fashion charity show, where I sat at a table where I made a girlfriend, and she lives an hour away from me, so we don't stay in touch MUCH, plus she is 8 years younger than me and has 100 friends. Plus, I get one day off in the week, and that's spent doing all my laundry, cooking, cleaning, errands, studying, etc. The rest of the time, I'm pulling about 100 hrs at work per week.

So please save the suggestions and the commentry. Unless you've been in situations where you are living abroad and you know how the desi scene is, and you are separated from other desis considerably in distance and you have to deal with their materialistic nakhraybaazi when you do go to a dawat, then talk to me. Otherwise, if you fetched your American Visa Husband sitting in Pakistan, waiting away while you went to school at LUMS or Karachi Grammar or whatever, then don't talk. You guys have a network that we do not have. It's simple as that.

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Oh no... I'm 29 what should I do now.... meri bus to nikal gyi.

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hey, the para on dawat. kinda confusing either change it to clothing or write it to explain the dawat situation... everything else makes sense.

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true. After marriage I've heard families either say it is too hard or you should focus on marriage responsibilities. I think after marriage the aspirations of the wife should be supported by her inlaws. I mean in the desi community always likes to give examples of successful desi women but then they don't help or support that happen. Does not make sense.

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There is a higher proportion of married women who don't follow through with academic/work aspirations because their attention is diverted by family needs; compared to the number of women who do continue to work after marriage. As long as there are desi men that need their parathas, this is what will happen.

The guy I'm talking to is trying to convince me to learn to make parathas and rotis. Really? Not happening buddy. Not when I go to work and work longer hours, weekends, and get less vacay time. :-/ ; so can I pursue further career aspirations and academics after this? I thought about going back to school and working on this other degree that I've been getting interested in, but I don't think it's going to happen now. If I was a guy, on the other hand it could. OR If I stayed single.

So how can you blame smart young women for pushing off marriage? Makes no sense.

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Genuine question... Why would u feel u undervalued (by urself or ur hubby)if u were a stay at home wife. Because from ur aspirations it seems that u would not be happy at home. I think when u have a hectic lifestyle no arranged marriage ppl compromise on that. In that case u really have to have the guy on board, ie u fall for each other at work or college. Otherwise it would be difficult I assume. Cuz in this case don't u guys just end up living as roommates, dividing house chores and bills. So u would want the priveliges of having the companionship but maybe not the sacrifices u might have to make? Ambitionwise or staying at home wise or something like that. Sorry if it sounds offensive but maybe I'm just stating what someone not in ur situation could observe and (rudely) say.

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Ok fine, so let's say we can't blame you (well not you per say, but smart young women in general) for pushing off marriage. Can you think of a good reason that a guy should consider what you've described here for marriage, rather than a 20 year old who's ready when he is and would be willing to make him his parathas and what not?

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PCG: the more I'm going through this Rishta process, the more I'm realizing that these things are destined and not a matter of search or age. I know women who got married in their early and mid 30s to really good men and I also know women who married earlier but their marriages didn't last.

It does help that your family has a strong social network but I also don't think it is necessary for one to get married through social networks. I strongly believe that what is meant to be for you comes your way somehow.

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This Roti issue is genuine. And IMVO it is unreasonable to put this condition that, learn to make roti before marrying me. But the sad thing is, it happens. And many times people are just helpless.

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Why don't you both learn to make rotis and parathas? This way you can take turns.

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If it's that important to you why not learn to make it yourself? There might be times when wife won't be there.. What are you going to do then?

This has just reminded me of an older uncle whose wife recently died.. He can't cook anything.. He gets his son to bring over his wife's food (they don't even live nearby) or buys takeaway.. It's crazy..

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^ I don't think you understood what I wrote. If indeed your post is addressed to me.

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This is another reason why “Pakistani men” are such a hard find. They are more likely to overlook the “Pakistani” part or for that matter even the “Muslim” part. So in addition to being lost to brides fresh from the homeland, a significant number are taken by non-Pakistani, non-Muslim women from over here.

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I agree. Those men are not wasting time/energy whining about the lack of suitable “Pakistani women”. They’re taking matters into their own hands and finding a life partner (Pakistani or not) who they feel compatible with and moving forward with their life. In my experience, men who’re looking for spouse on their own don’t make it such a complicated mission.

P.S. Perhaps the non-Pakistani and/or non-Muslim women (even the career oriented ones) are more open to learning how to make perfectly round rotis/parathas. :halo: