Re: 25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling
suna hay Kayani ko julaab lag gaye hayn
Re: 25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling
suna hay Kayani ko julaab lag gaye hayn
US say medicine aaye gee to sab theek ho jaye ga...
Re: 25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling
suna hay Kayani ko julaab lag gaye hayn
PM should fire his ass.
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yar ab mazaak to na karo :heh:
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PM should fire his ass.
and who will save PM's ass?
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^ today or tomorrow the holy cow status of military should be taken down. s#!t happens !
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Dear Forum Members, our deepest condolences and prayers go out to the families of the Pakistani security forces killed in this tragic incident. Before we can comment any further, we would like to inform everyone that representatives from ISAF and CENTCOM will conduct an extensive investigation. ISAF Commander General John Allen has declared that, “This incident has my highest personal attention and my commitment to thoroughly investigate it to determine the facts.” There are many news reports releasing different analysis and accounts of this incident, but we ask that you wait for the investigation to be completed, and for the evidence and findings to be released, before drawing any conclusions.
MAJ Nevers,
DET – U.S. Central Command
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^ What investigation would you guys do now? Pakistani army spokesman is saying that the attack took place 2.5 kms inside Pak afghan border, and once the attack started the Pakistani army men pleaded with Americans to stop but they continued for two hours.
Let me tell you the results of the investigation, Pakistani army attacked the afghan and isaf forces and then the Americans had to carry out the attack in self defence. Besides this is not the first time that Pakistani soldiers have been killed by Americans neither will be the last. We will keep suffering until we keep our so called alliance with you guys.
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What investigation? When planes carry out an attack for around more than one hour, it CANNOT be a mere mistake or misunderstanding.. Investigation is really needed?
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This is duty of army to tell , It is left upon Tv anchors to mold all as they like.
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yar u guys are asking as if centcom is going to reply 
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i think someone should ban centcom for not replying on our comments.
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more than thousands of pak army soldiers were killed by NATO attacks since the war begun.
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Our army claims that the attack was unprovoked the reason is that there is no casualty on the American/afghan side, the attack was conducted 2.5 kms within Pakistan afghanistan border (breach of Pakistani sovereignty), the Americans had the coordinates of Pakistani border checkposts therefore they knew exactly what they were attacking, when they started the attack Pakistani ground forces pleaded with the Americans to stop but the attacks persisted for over 2 hours.
Keeping all this in mind I have give you the results of American investigation in my previous post.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/28/pakistan-us-claims-border-post-deathsPakistan and US wage a war of words over Afghan border post deaths
Islamabad and Washington trade claim and counter-claim over deaths of 24 Pakistani soldiers in Nato air strike on border post
Nato operations in Afghanistan have been thrown into disarray following Saturday’s deaths. The US and allied commanders say they are investigating how the tragedy occurred. Both sides are making claims and counter-claims.
**Claim 1: **US and Afghan commandos say they came under fire from inside Pakistan. The resulting air strikes killed 24 soldiers, and injured 13. Nato says they were a regrettable mistake.
Counter-claim: Pakistan says the attack was unprovoked. The air and helicopter strikes were a catastrophic blunder, both military and diplomatic.
**Claim 2: **Nato says the incident happened when a mainly Afghan force was conducting an operation in the southern Kunar province. Someone fired on them, it says.
**Counter-claim: **The Pakistani military says this is rubbish. The assault was premeditated, “irresponsible” and deliberate against two mountain outposts known to Nato and US forces. The soldiers were 300 metres inside Pakistan, in the Mohmand tribal areas, recently cleared of militants.
Claim 3: Nato regrets the deaths and says they were “tragic and unintended”.
Counter-claim: Pakistan says the attacks went on for almost two hours and continued even after Pakistani commanders asked coalition forces to stop. A spokesman said that if the Afghan-US patrol came under attack, where are its casualties?
**Claim 4: **Underlying US policy is the assumption that Pakistani forces are complicit in allowing Taliban militants to use Pakistan’s tribal areas as a base.
**Counter-claim: **Pakistan’s soldiers are doing an impossible job. They patrol a huge, porous, mountainous border, and frequently come under attack from Taliban sympathisers and from trigger-happy Nato-Afghan forces
**Claim 5: **US officials believe elements inside Pakistan’s army and intelligence services give clandestine support to a resurgent Taliban. This support – in the form of weapons, know-how, safe havens – facilitates lethal attacks inside Afghanistan on US troops, and perpetuates a war that hasalready dragged on for over a decade.
**Counter-claim: **Pakistan is fighting its own desperate internal battle against Islamist extremism. The US, meanwhile, isn’t helping. It flagrantly violates Pakistan’s sovereignty. The latest deadly air-strikes are simply the most recent example; the raid which killed Osama bin Laden in May the most egregious.
Re: 25 Pak Soldiers killed by NATO shelling
Pakistan should develop the guts to say NO the arabs too, if they come to forward the demands of their masters.](http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/uae-mounts-pressure-to-get-airbase-decision-reversed.html)http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/uae-mounts-pressure-to-get-airbase-decision-reversed.html
UAE mounts pressure to get airbase decision reversed
Dawn Report | Front Page | From the Newspaper](http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/uae-mounts-pressure-to-get-airbase-decision-reversed.html)**ISLAMABAD: The United Arab Emirates has dived into troubled Pakistan-US ties in a desperate effort to prevent them from unravelling and avert an immediate eviction of the Americans from the Shamsi airbase whose control they enjoy.
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UAE Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan arrived in Islamabad on Monday on an unscheduled trip and met President Asif Ali Zardari and Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.
In both meetings, the UAE minister pleaded against pushing too hard for getting the airbase vacated.
During his meeting with Sheikh Nahyan in the Presidency, President Zardari is reported to have turned down a UAE request to extend the 15-day deadline set by the Defence Committee of the Cabinet for vacating the airbase in Balochistan.“The one-on-one meeting of the UAE foreign minister with the president was followed by a delegation-level meeting,” Mr Zardari`s spokesman Farhatullah Babar said.
According to media reports, Pakistan handed over the Shamsi airbase to the UAE in 1992 for hunting expeditions, but its authorities sublet it to the US for carrying out drone attacks.
The UAE delegation was apprised of the DCC decision, which also stopped Nato supplies passing through Pakistan into Afghanistan.
A statement issued by the ISPR said: “The visiting dignitary (Sheikh Nahyan) remained with the COAS (Gen Kayani) for some time and discussed matters of mutual interest.”Besides strong diplomatic ties with Pakistan, the UAE has strong influence in Islamabad`s corridors of power. President Zardari is known for being too close to its royal family and WikiLeaks last year confirmed that perception.
According to one of the leaked cables, Mr Zardari had requested UAE President Sheikh Khalifa to allow his family to live in the Emirates in the event of his death.
The military also has strong relations with the UAE. It was at Gen Kayani`s request that the UAE government had last year launched quick impact projects in Swat.
Some analysts believe that in view of the kind of influence the Emirates enjoy in Islamabad it would be very difficult for the Pakistani leadership to say no to them.
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let me get this straight! these losers are blaming taliban which led them into confusion and they fired at our soldiers??? do u they even realize how stupid they sound??? Like Major Athar Abbas said , they are making up excuses … so they are not the ones who take the entire blame!! …arghhh i wish i could teach them a lesson if i were in top leadership! … Gilani says! after all wht had happened! he would want to continue the relationship! bale izzat mile yaan na mile! paisay tu mil rehe hena! loogon ka kia hai woh tu 10 saal se mar rehe hen .. whts new with that! … as long they are safe and sound in their lavish mansions! why would they care abt common Pakistani!! im just so mad at them! … firing continued for 2 hrs and where was our PAK AIR FORCE? ??
it breaks my heart to read tht soldiers were pleading them to stop the firing .. yet they continued firing!
savages!! …
Pakistan needs to cut of alliance! NOW or never!
and like Syed said! … we already know wht will come out of so called investigation!
btw i read that **“Pakistan is considering lodging a formal complaint with the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) against Saturday’s airstrike by NATO forces on check posts in the Mohmand tribal region.”
http://tribune.com.pk/story/299350/cabinet-weighs-up-formal-unsc-complaint-over-nato-strike/**
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http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/29/china-paper-slams-us-over-deadly-pakistan-raid.html
China paper slams US over deadly Pakistan raid
AFP
**BEIJING: An influential state-run Chinese newspaper on Tuesday accused the United States of violating international law and fanning the flames of terrorism after Nato strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
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The strongly-worded editorial in the People’s Daily — mouthpiece of China’s ruling Communist party — came after Beijing said it was “deeply shocked” by the strikes, which have exacerbated tensions between Islamabad and Washington.
**“The United States and Nato have violated international law and international norms,” the paper said in an editorial condemning the attacks.****“This shows…that at crucial moments, the United States will not show the slightest hesitation to violate the sovereignty of another nation to ensure its ‘absolute security’.
”The use of such cross-border tactics will only incite terrorist sentiment, the editorial added.**“The soil nurturing terrorism will become even more fertile, and terrorist activities will become more widespread,” it said.
Pakistan has reacted furiously to what it called an “unprovoked” strike, worsening US-Pakistani relations already in crisis after the killing in May of Osama bin Laden north of Islamabad by US special forces.
Washington has backed a full inquiry into Saturday’s incident and sent its condolences, while Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen on Sunday voiced regret over the “tragic, unintended” killings, but did not issue a full apology.
China is one of Pakistan’s closest allies and the main arms supplier to Islamabad, which sees Beijing as an important counter-balance to its traditional rival India.The two countries conducted joint military exercises over the weekend, while Beijing has built two nuclear power plants in Pakistan and is contracted to construct two more reactors.
Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi spoke to his Pakistani counterpart Hina Rabbani Khar on Monday and expressed shock over the attacks, a government statement said.****“All nations of the world and international organisations should fully respect Pakistan’s independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Yang said, according to the statement.
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On the one hand we have China standing shoulder to shoulder with Pakistan, and on the other hand knowing fully the situation our arab brethren (UAE) are here to plead on behalf of the aggressors.
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jao baba jaan chorro…
http://tribune.com.pk/story/299411/shamsi-base-is-nice-but-not-crucial-for-drone-attacks/‘Shamsi base is nice, but not crucial for drone attacks’
By AFP
Published: November 29, 2011
****WASHINGTON: **US drone raids targeting militants in Pakistan will not be jeopardized if Islamabad does indeed expel Americans from a key air base, officials and a former intelligence officer said Monday.
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Angered over a Nato air attack on Saturday that left 24 Pakistani soldiers dead, Islamabad has shut off supply routes to US-led forces in Afghanistan and ordered Americans out of the Shamsi air base used by the CIA’s fleet of unmanned aircraft.
Even if the Pakistanis make good on their threat over Shamsi, US officials and analysts say the move would be largely symbolic as Washington could fly Predator and Reaper drones out of air fields in neighboring Afghanistan.
**“Shamsi is a nice thing to have, but it’s not critical to drone operations. They can be carried out from bases in Afghanistan,” said Bruce Reidel, a former CIA officer and fellow at the Brookings Institution think tank.
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The remote Shamsi air base in the country’s southwest is particularly useful for flights hampered by poor weather conditions, he said.
A senior US official said the facility was not a make-or-break link for the robotic planes that have proved an effective weapon against Al-Qaeda and Taliban extremists.
“The real issue isn’t Shamsi, it’s air space,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told AFP.
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So far there was no sign that Islamabad would bar the US aircraft from flying over Pakistan, and its announcement on Shamsi appeared designed to placate a domestic audience in Pakistan, officials said. { This is exactly why I believe we have surrendered our sovereignty to the Americans}
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The Shamsi base reflects the contradictions in the uneasy partnership between the two countries, with Islamabad reluctant to publicly acknowledge its tacit cooperation with US counter-terror efforts, which many Pakistanis see as a violation of their country’s sovereignty.
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“You have to have jet fuel delivered to Shamsi,” Reidel said. “The Pakistani public has the impression of a base that operates extraterritorially but in reality it operates because the Pakistani army helps it to operate.”**
Shortly after Saturday’s air attack on the border by Nato forces, Pakistan’s cabinet ministers and military chiefs demanded the United States clear out of the Shamsi air field within 15 days.
**Pakistan previously called for the Americans to leave the air base in June but later backed off.
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Although President Barack Obama’s administration was working on a response to a number of demands from Pakistan, there were no plans to pull back on the drone raids, which intelligence officials have credited with weakening the Al-Qaeda network.
“Pakistan remains a critical counter-terrorism partner, and we do not anticipate significant changes in that relationship,” another US official said.
A more serious problem for the United States and Nato allies is Pakistan’s decision to close its border to convoys ferrying fuel and supplies to coalition troops in landlocked Afghanistan.
Nearly half of all cargo bound for Nato-led forces runs through Pakistan. Roughly 140,000 foreign troops, including about 97,000 Americans, rely on supplies from outside Afghanistan for the ten-year-old war effort.
Pakistan has shut off the border over previous incidents, partly to allay popular outrage, and US officials said they expected the latest closure would be temporary.
The Pentagon said top government officials and commanders are working with the Pakistanis “on a way ahead” following the air strikes and the White House underscored the importance of the relationship with Islamabad.
Despite the deep distrust between the United States and Pakistan, neither country can afford a complete rupture in relations, officials said.
“By permanently cutting off supplies to Nato forces, Pakistan would not just be taking on the United States but Nato and the United Nations,” Reidel said. “The Pakistanis don’t want to do that.”