*Well, it might surprise you but Indian leadership was actually napping despite the regional hostilities. Nehru was working on "Hindi Cheeni Bhai Bhai" while the Chinese were making military preparations. Similarly, Pak was also not seen as a threat (big mistake). The situation was repeated by Vajpayee in 1999 with the bus trip & other peace overtures towards Pak, while Pak was planning Kargil. Luckily we were much better off militarily in 1999 compared to 1965 and that helped us.
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China never accepted the Macmahon line. I think stating that the Indian leadership was caught "napping" not accurate. When you have a country that did not accept the British drawn borders and took a chunk of Kashmir, you're telling us that the leadership was "napping"?
Pakistan may not have been seen as big of a threat as China, but considering a war had already been fought over Kashmir, do you think that ANY country that has been involved in open hostilities would not be considered a threat? The US fears the rise of China even when they have never fought directly in open conflict and entangled economically.
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Pak tried to use local support in Kashmir in 1965 to defeat India, but that plan backfired. India used that same tactic successfully in 1971. As they say what goes around, comes around...
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True, any separatist movement has to be indigenous. I don't think India should be claiming credit for West Pakistan's political and military mistakes in East Pakistan. We had lost Bangladesh well before Indians overtly intervened. Also the key difference between Kashmir and E. Pakistan is that one was an internationally recognized disputed territory while the other was an accepted part of Pakistan.
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India cannot match up to China in conventional military prowess. The Chinese economy is a lot bigger, and they spend a bigger chunk of their GDP on defence spending. However, China realizes that India will not be a push over in a war and a war with India would cause a great loss to the Chinese economy. So for now, I dont expect China to initiate open hostilities.**
I don't either. Simply too much to lose when it comes to the economic progress in China. But this should still give you pause because for all the Indian gloating against the wars with Pakistan, you have to admit that the actual regional competitor (China) is still in a far stronger position. Besides Pakistan needs to deal with issues on it's Western borders and shore up it's fledgling economy.
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Bottomline is that 1962/1965 was/is not the same as 1971/1999/2009.....
Who is debating that fact anyway. All the wars from 1948 to present will be different. Looks like stating the obvious is a little attempt to boost the poster's ego
.....our media sometimes errs on the side of hyper-reacting to perceived threats from China (and to a lesser extent Pak)....
hahha.
So first it was the problem with Nehru and Vajpai as "napping".
Now it is the media's fault.
Man, it is time to get out of plain high school book analysis.
Oh Phai jee why you arguing with Indians!! They are taught from day one in schools that Pakis are bad they beat the shyt out of pakis as a matter of fact they beat every invader right in his tracks.
Now here is a little example of what Indians are taught in their schools.
**Even with our bigger wars, propaganda myths created in the course of the engagements are then perpetuated for decades. In the 22-day war in 1965, for example, as schoolchildren we were taught that the Pakistani pilots were so scared of the tiny Gnat that they fled the moment they spotted one. **
Just agree with Indians, If Chini bhai can why can’t we.
You are right .5 were down and 6th was also effected but managed to escape. Before that Indian were easily moving in Pak areas but after that they were felt much afraid and they prefered escaping inspite of dog fight but I have to say that the situation was quite different in 1971 war. I was studying in School but remember whole war of 1965. A great win in the field by our brave soldiers.
That’s a good one mo, i have read this one from Shekhar Gupta before. “P in USA” should surely read this. Bollywood movies play an important role in India as well, people like “P in USA” probably think that their “Sunny Deols” will crush whole Pakistani Army within minutes
*Even with our bigger wars, propaganda myths created in the course of the engagements are then perpetuated for decades. In the 22-day war in 1965, for example, as schoolchildren we were taught that the Pakistani pilots were so scared of the tiny Gnat that they fled the moment they spotted one. *:D
Most educated Indians know that PAF did better than IAF in 1965. No surprises here. However, it was not PAF's superiority but rather IAF commanders stupidity and bad planning which led to that.
Obviously, we learnt fast and 1971 was a much different result. And so was 1999 ;)
Difference between Indians & Pakistanis is that Indians learnt from their mistakes and improved, while Pakistanis are still stuck in history :)
Actually it was the superiority of PAF pilots and Indian incompetance combined.
Neither of which you can do anything about, as we are inherantly superior and your inherantly inferior. And thats in general, not just the I"AIR"F… I say “air,” because most of your planes are grounded well before they hit the air…
1971 is all you Indians have and thats all you will ever have to bark over. Ofcoruse your pseudo victory had nothing to do with anything other then circumstance, but you Indians need whatever you have to save face.
Difference between Pakistan and India is that Pakistanis have never made mistakes and still improved, while Indians made mistakes, and continue to make them. All while lying about their so called improvements…
Well, had that been the case IAF would not have kicked your butts in 1999. Sometimes it helps to educate yourself before posting :)
Can you please educate us a bit then???
Tell us who was IAF were up against???I mean who did the IAF jawans defeat??What sort of planes did your enemy have and how many planes were destroyed by BRAVE IAF???
Sharif said he had travelled to the US to meet the then President Bill Clinton to work out modalities to end the conflict in order to protect the dignity of Pakistan’s armed forces*
yeh 1965 war main 1999 kahan se aagaya pai? Indra Gandhi took revenge of 1965 War in 1971 and broke Pakistan into two. Since than India gained superiority in battle field.
yeh 1965 war main 1999 kahan se aagaya pai? Indra Gandhi took revenge of 1965 War in 1971 and broke Pakistan into two. Since than India gained superiority in battle field.
Yes but shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was the man who changed this concept by developing a superior Nuke.
NS was "line haazir" by Uncle Sam and he lied to him that he did not know about kargil adventure. Later on Mush bambooed him and kicked hard on his back, he flied to SA.
Indian PM did not bother to go to USA, knowing that Uncle Sam would ask NS for retreat. And he obeyed him.
NS was "line haazir" by Uncle Sam and he lied to him that he did not know about kargil adventure. Later on Mush bambooed him and kicked hard on his back, he flied to SA.
Indian PM did not bother to go to USA, knowing that Uncle Sam would ask NS for retreat. And he obeyed him.
Your Indian PM didn't go to USA but he had to beg Uncle Sam to put pressure on Nawaz to stop this conflict????
