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Like your Indian counterparts, you fail to see the Kashmir issue as anything more than a pissing contest between your respective nations.
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Gross generalisation. This is why Kashmir movement is failing- they actually reject the possibility of any Indian/Pakistani supporting them.
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Gross generalisation. This is why Kashmir movement is failing- they actually reject the possibility of any Indian/Pakistani supporting them.
You know as well as I do that the overwhelming majority of Indians don't.
As for Pakistanis...some support us, many (if not most) others either want to annex our state, or don't care either way. In any case, I was responding to the specific statement made in that post...the idea that the issue can be resolved simply by negotiations between India & Pakistan.
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^^ but you have got to reach out to them- the common people of both the countries.
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Like I said, a colonial mentality. Even the British didn't have such an overinflated sense of entitlement.
30,000 refugees sitting in Pakistan since 1989-90, thousands more displaced within the state/the rest of India...and you claim there hasn't been a major dislocation? And we're not even talking about the tens of thousands killed and/or abducted, and the thousands more who were raped by your soldiers and countermilitants.
30 thousand is a very small number if you consider the amount of Bangladeshis or Tibetans in India as refugees. The others are allegation and no definite proof. Other parts of India might have even worse figures compared to Kashmir.
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whatever rocks ur boat captain.!!
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Compare equal time periods. 30,000 is only the figure for 1989-90.
Since 1950, 120,000 Tibetans have fled to India.
Since the Jammu genocide of autumn 1947, approximately 1.5 million J&K residents have fled to Pakistan.
Every human rights organization in the world has recognized them. If you want to be ignorant, then I suppose that’s your own prerogative.
That’s your justification?!? That Indian soldiers might be killing and raping more people in other parts of India. Pathetic.
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Its not your job to decide what will make the Kashmiri people happy. Outsiders have been trying to do that for far too long, and look at the mess its created.
But for Hindu Kasmiris they took an instant decision.....leave Kashmir in 36 hrs, accept our religion, may leave behind your ladies etc.
And now they show crocodile tears.
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36 hours?
You think well over 125,000 people managed to pack up and leave in less than 2 days? I didn't even think the RSS was running around spreading propaganda so unbelievably stupid.
Just out of curiosity...how come the thousands of Pandits who did stay behind weren't massacred or forced to convert? Not to mention the Sikhs and other minorities...in fact, the only Sikhs that have been massacred in Kashmir since 1989 were the ones killed at Chattisinghpora by your own army.
And I see what your government has done with the ones who did leave...dumping them in shanty-town refugee camps in Jammu for over a decade and refusing to rehabilitate them, so that they can continually be used to garner sympathy among the ignorant Indian masses for the military occupation of Kashmir.
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/\/\For the first time I have come to know that 36 hrs threatening notices were not pasted at the household of Hindus and all Hindu Kashmiris are lairs who have repeated it many a time.
And our army killed Sikhs.....it was really interested that our armed soldiers who attacked and killed Sikhs were shouting pro Islamic slogans, but for some unknown reasons they were wearing Indian armed forces uniforms......We must believe their logic that our soldiers forgot to change the uniforms before going for imitating the militants.
By the way….have they ever accepted that they ever killed innocents. Time is over and the world community is no more ready to swallow their good baby theories……
Anyhow, I always admire their ‘play the victim game’.
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/\/\For the first time I have come to know that 36 hrs threatening notices were not pasted at the household of Hindus and all Hindu Kashmiris are lairs who have repeated it many a time.
No one is denying that they were threatened by the militants...they didn't pack up and leave because they felt safe & secure. On the same token, Jagmohan & the Indian government definitely played a role in playing up fears among the Hindu population.
But this 36 hrs business is complete garbage. The Pandit migration took years, not days. And yes, anyone who claims they all left in 36 hours is nothing but a liar.
And our army killed Sikhs.....it was really interested that our armed soldiers who attacked and killed Sikhs were shouting pro Islamic slogans, but for some unknown reasons they were wearing Indian armed forces uniforms......We must believe their logic that our soldiers forgot to change the uniforms before going for imitating the militants.
You are either a liar, or you don't know what you were talking about. The murderers of Chattisinghpora:
-Targeted a group (Sikhs) that had never been singled out before by the militants
-Attacked at the worst possible time for militants (during the Clinton visit, when it attracted the most bad press possible)
-Wore Indian army uniforms
-Were drinking alcohol
-Shouted pro-India and Hindu religious slogans (jai hind, jai mata di) while shooting their victims
-Said they were celebrating Holi
As if that wasn't enough, the army went ahead at killed several young Kashmiri Muslim men in a fake encounter, and blamed the massacre on them. And when public outrage forced the government to investigate the deaths of the alleged "militants," the army tampered with the DNA samples to try and ensure that they wouldn't be caught...but they did such a lousy job, they were caught in their lies anyways.
If it stinks like an Indian soldier, and it barks like an Indian soldier, and it butchers civilians like an Indian solider, and then tries to cover it up by killing more civilians like an Indian soldier, its probably an Indian soldier.
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Janab - what about the part of Kashmir given to China - no shedding of your usual crocodile tears for that area?.
No shedding of tears for the Hindu pundits forced out of their homes?? Are they not Kashmiris.
The innocent moderate muslims, hindus & Sikhs killed by the Jihadi's - why not a beep out of you?.
Do the Indian soldiers force muslims out of Kashmir? Do they allow non Kashmir's to buy land in Kashmir.? Have Jihadis thrown acid on muslim girls for not wearing a burqa - so where are your loyalties now - or is it OK to do so?.
If you don't like it - I suggest you live in "Azad" Kashmir, you and your kind will get all the azadi you want, under the thumb of a Pakistani general.
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Thank you for making such a display of your ignorance.
China hasn’t occupied a square inch of Kashmir…that dubious distinction belongs to India alone. Your government did loose a chunk of Ladakh-Baltistan to the Chinese, as did the Pakistanis…both areas are essentially uninhabited glaciers, and not even a part of Kashmir…so, considering the enormity of the situation in Kashmir itself, the status of Askai Chin and the Shaksgam Valley aren’t a priority.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5790305#post5790305
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…the Pandits shouldn’t have been forced out, and virtually all Kashmiri Muslims want them to come back. Hopefully this time you’ll actually get it through your skull and won’t parrot the same line over and over again.
I won’t even bothering mentioning the 70-100,000 Kashmiri Muslims killed by the animals in your army, since you’ve made it abundantly clear that you could care less about the butchering of Muslims. But since you claim to be such an activist for the rights of the Pandits…why hasn’t your government done anything to rehabilitate them? Why are they still being kept in camps in Jammu…other than the obvious fact that keeping them in as pathetic a state as possible helps the Indian government rationalize its genocide in Kashmir to its citizens…and you seem to be living proof of their success in that regard.
First of all, the militants haven’t killed Sikhs…that’s just your army.
I don’t have any doubt that they have committed crimes against Muslims & Hindus…when have I ever denied that. But what they’ve done is a drop in the ocean compared to your army & their countermilitant goons. A recent survey in Kashmir found that while 65% of the population believed that the Indian army was guilty of widespread human rights violations, only 2% thought the militants were.
Yes. They’ve been doing it directly since they first took over in the 40’s.
And since 1989…they kill Kashmiris, they rape them, they arrest them & torture them on the flimsiest of pretenses, they make them ‘disappear,’…which has resulted in tens of thousands of refugees. Not that I expect a hate-filled bigot like yourself to have any sympathy for them.
Who said it was?
Does that justify your army raping 10,000 Kashmiri women?
Like I said, even the British didn’t have this ridiculous a sense of entitlement.
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No one is denying that they were threatened by the militants...
But this 36 hrs business is complete garbage. The Pandit migration took years, not days. And yes, anyone who claims they all left in 36 hours is nothing but a liar.
You are either a liar, or you don't know what you were talking about. The murderers of Chattisinghpora: -Targeted a group (Sikhs) that had never been singled out before by the militants -Attacked at the worst possible time for militants (during the Clinton visit, when it attracted the most bad press possible) -Wore Indian army uniforms -Were drinking alcohol -Shouted pro-India and Hindu religious slogans (jai hind, jai mata di) while shooting their victims -Said they were celebrating Holi
This man is proud of furnishing religio-cleansing not in 36 hrs but in many continues years. I can appreciate the high sprit.
What Indian Govt wanted to prove by killing Sikhs in the valley on the eve of Clinton visit.....
that India Govt is totally helpless in guarding its regions...
or it wanted to tell Clinton that we also can kill the same way as they do on the name of religion while shouting pro Hindu slogans in opposition to Alla-o Akbar.
Fake proves were a foolishness of the state Govt.....what the army has to do with it. And it was well exposed by the same Hindu media that you hate. The state Govt failed to arrest the real culprits...I mean your co-ideologists...it does not mean that your people are neat and clean.
Next time give some logic in your statements...if you have any.
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This man is proud of furnishing religio-cleansing not in 36 hrs but in many continues years. I can appreciate the high sprit.
I'm not a man, and when did I say I was proud? Every single post, I've said they should come back.
You, on the other hand, haven't shown even an iota of sympathy for the 70-100,000 Muslims killed by your army in Kashmir...so spare me.
What Indian Govt wanted to prove by killing Sikhs in the valley on the eve of Clinton visit..... that India Govt is totally helpless in guarding its regions... or it wanted to tell Clinton that we also can kill the same way as they do on the name of religion while shouting pro Hindu slogans in opposition to Alla-o Akbar.
The Indian government were the only people who stood to gain anything from Chattisinghpora. They had the attention of the entire international media because of the Clinton visit, and got to equate the Kashmir movement with heinous acts of terrorism in front of the entire world.
On the other hand...what did the militants stand to gain by carrying out as massacre against a group they had never targeted before, at a time when it would attract the most bad press humanly possible. This reeks of your government.
Fake proves were a foolishness of the state Govt.....what the army has to do with it.
It was the Indian security forces who killed those men in a fake encounter.
And it was well exposed by the same Hindu media that you hate. The state Govt failed to arrest the real culprits...I mean your co-ideologists...it does not mean that your people are neat and clean.
The puppet government your government undemocratically installs in the state aren't "my people." As far as I'm concerned, they're simply an extension of New Delhi's imperialism in Kashmir.
Next time, don't expose your complete ignorance so openly by attempting to discuss topics you so clearly know nothing about.
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Janab - read this. Things are much more complicated than you think.
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I'm not a man, and when did I say I was proud? Every single post, I've said they should come back. ..
What Muslims of Kashmir were doing when a 36 hrs notice was served to Hindus….they were welcoming the new adventure of Islamic militancy. First torture them, compell them to leave and them show complete mercy for them...bravo!
You, on the other hand, haven't shown even an iota of sympathy for the 70-100,000 Muslims killed by your army in Kashmir...so spare me..
This 70000 figure is interesting....as per my information Pakistan media picked up this figure in 1996 and till 2005 the pak record was repeating the same figure....constant 70000. Is not it a miracle that in 10 years period the Pak media was parroting one and the same figure.
And how many of them are killed by your own militants....no record in your files?
Alas, India army had targetted the people as Pak army did in East Pakistan.....but no, they blame us for the same but result is entirely different. Again miracle?
The Indian government were the only people who stood to gain anything from Chattisinghpora. They had the attention of the entire international media because of the Clinton visit, and got to equate the Kashmir movement with heinous acts of terrorism in front of the entire world.
On the other hand...what did the militants stand to gain by carrying out as massacre against a group they had never targeted before, at a time when it would attract the most bad press humanly possible. This reeks of your government..
Every portion of above quote is interesting......in her privious post she says that the soldiers were in India uniforms and were shouting pro Hindu slogans while killing Sikhs.....and here she says.......The Indian government were the only people who stood to gain anything from Chattisinghpora. They had the attention of the entire international media because of the Clinton visit, and got to equate the Kashmir movement with heinous acts of terrorism in front of the entire world.
Next time, don't expose your complete ignorance so openly by attempting to discuss topics you so clearly know nothing about.
All logics are set apart....ignorance, no doubt, is blessing as per their ethics.
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Friends of India Society International? Gee, I wonder if they’re anti-Kashmiri?
The fact of the matter is that the situation is far more complicated than you and your Indian compatriots thing. You people just parrot the lines fed to you by your government…evil terrorist militants from Pakistan, killing Pandits left and right, and fighting against them, your brave, humane Indian army.
You people are completely blind to what’s been done to Kashmiri Muslims. You are blind to the crimes committed by your army. You’re blind to the fact that your army itself operates ‘countermilitant’ ‘jihadi’ groups in Kashmir. You’re blind to the fact that your own government has done nothing but exploit the Pandits to make a political point and justify the genocide in Kashmir.
The Pandits left over a decade, but you still repeat this nonsense about 36 hours like its gospel truth. Tell me…how did 125,000+ people leave an area as remote as Kashmir in less than two days…people didn’t even flee that quickly during Partition.
By 1996, your armies had killed an estimated 30-40,000 civilians, and displaced another 100,000 Muslims. Today, human rights groups estimate that the death toll is about 70,000, while the Hurriyat Conference puts the figure at over 90,000.
Statements like this just confirm my suspicion that the people of India are morally bankrupt when it comes to the Kashmir issue. Justifying genocide with genocide? Not even a genocide carried out by Kashmiris at that…in your sick mind the Indian army should be free to rape & kill in Kashmir because of what the Pakistanis did in Bengal. You disgust me.
How is that contradictory. The Indian government didn’t even entertain the idea that its soldiers or countermilitants had carried out the attack…they just pinned the blame on “disguised militants” and then went ahead and killed several Muslim boys in a fake encounter days later. Your government even admits it now:
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2008/04/26/kashmir3.htm
As did Bill Clinton back in 2006:
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2006/06/10/kashmir2.htm
Like I said, if it stinks like an Indian soldier, and it barks like an Indian soldier, and it butchers civilians like an Indian solider, and then tries to cover it up by killing more civilians like an Indian soldier, its probably an Indian soldier.
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Janeb -if you stink like a extremist, bark like an extremist, considers butchering of innocent hindus & muslims of no consequence and then try to cover it up by acting like a 'bhola bhala' Indian Kashmiri - you probably are an extremist.
Even the Pakistani's are sick and tired of you Extremists - who are now biting the very hand which fed them.
Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka.
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A blocked mind has no hopes…..Indian army is killing them, but some how only Hindus had to escape. Indian army is raping their women, but somehow we do not find any illegal pregnancy with some exceptions.
Kashmir is under a total control of Indian army but at the same time their co-ideologists issue funny fatwas against their own women and fulfill the threat.
For one thing janab-e-ali is right…..India does not know whom we are fighting? A bunch of mere terrorists of the new adventure if Islam or general Islam?
This is the major mistake on Indian part, or anywhere in the world.
Logic has no place in their ethics. Indian soldiers kill Sikhs, fully in uniform and shout pro Hindu slogans and the India Govt exposes the matter to Clinton, exploring that they were disguised militants. Bravo!
I again appreciate their mastermind in manipulating the democratic media…..their was some thing incorrectly printed in the press release (or book) by Clinton on Chatisinghpora incident and later this mistake was corrected by the Clinton administration…..but the Islamic media remained stick to the mistaken print. Bravo!
Figure 70000…..memory is required, off course has no place as per their ethics. In 1996 the Pak press picked up the figure re 70000 and till 2005 the figures remained the same anywhere….in Islamic media, so-called human rights media etc.
Like I said, if it stinks like an Indian soldier, and it barks like an Indian soldier, and it butchers civilians like an Indian solider, and then tries to cover it up by killing more civilians like an Indian soldier, its probably an Indian soldier. .
No doubt these people take shelter of abusive language when shown the mirror….as per their ethics. Nothing new!