15 Ahmadis arrested for gathering in a building resembling a mosque

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Sarkaari Musalmaan...the term is Sarkaari Musalmaan...:) those who need certificate from sarkaar to be considered Musalmaan..

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in that case they should add procedure to swear that you don't believe or support in terrorism and taleban and osama bin laden etc, since everytime an attack occurs people are having to explain they are not real muslims either!

do you seriously believe such treatment is not racist?

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No worries as long as people stay civilized & respect each others views w/o getting personal its ok to discuss issues like this. So, carry on, but I'm watching the thread.

what's URDU word for GOSSIP anyone?
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No, not really. There is no race involved. These are discriminatory laws & were designed to please right wing political parties by ZAB & ever since they have been on books. Mushrraf tried to change it, but he backed dawn after pressure from Islamic groups.

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Re: 15 Ahmadis arrested for gathering in a building resembling a mosque

There should not be any persecution, hatred against any person living in Pakistan or any part of this world based on religion, race, color, ethnic origin or whatever.

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Re: 15 Ahmadis arrested for gathering in a building resembling a mosque

Reading this topic makes me sick. People were praying not planning to plant a bomb. Police should have better things to do rather than go after people who are praying. Where were these policemen when the cricketers were being attacked. Cathching some Ahmadi offcourse :smack:

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i dont remember doing that kind of thing when acquiring passport?

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Its right there on the form, been there ever since.

Read it carefully next time. :)

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trying to buy some politician for Salman taseer!!!

this is how you preach....
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Nop... no one will come with that....

I think Hanibal is more interested in Ahmadiyya related threads then Ahamdies themselves...yaar aapko itna hi shok hai to koi book vagera parhlo inke baare mien...

After reading your posts I can clearly conclude that you are in favour of Ahmadi prosections (especially these 15). Please state if I am right in saying this on your behalf?

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can you blame him.

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No iam not against non-muslims, they have all the rights to practise their religion, but i do have objections on those who pose themselves as muslims but are not muslims, these 15 ahmadies can just be simple victum of police, as i mentioned in my first post in this topic, but again none of u or ur other peace loving ahmadies saw or red that.

Now the case is, you have all the do hate muslims by the depth of ur heart, anyone who do not believe in the prophethood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is Kafir in your religion... Now question is then y do you want to resemble with muslims????

as for Zero_ONE

Yup iam up for muslims unity, but amadi are not muslims as they believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as their prophet, which is agains the teaching...

As for resting ur case, what other options u had, u didn;t reply any of the questions i raised in this topic, yes u have to take some rest as you soon you may find another reason for whinning.

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BTW please mention an occasion where the Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW declared (or told to) someone a non-Muslim after he/she claimed to be a Muslim.

Just one occasion please

Just a simple "YES he did" or "NO he didn't" would be enough :)

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Re: 15 Ahmadis arrested for gathering in a building resembling a mosque

Why does any discussion about persecution of ahmedis turn into whether they are muslim, non muslim or martians? Who cares what they are, just stop killing and persecuting them.

Timepass-Jan 2013
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^^ becuz sadly, it is OK to kill an ahmadi in Pakistan becuz they're declared wajib ul qatl, that is..if you kill an ahmadi, chances of u getting away is very likely, and they have earned Jannat by doing so.

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Because no body refuted in Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) era, and after the demise of Prophet (PBUH) the Companion (RZA) of Prophet (PBUH) did raised war against the persons who declared/claim their prophet-hood and they were called Zandeeeq and Kafirs... Muslima bin Kazaab ring bells!!!

So our Believe is that Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan belongs to same group of people who were not only claimed falsely about their prophethood but also misguided thousands of people.

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Let the God be judge of that. We have no right to discriminate against anyone based on their religious beliefs. If they believe that Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan was prophet its their problem & they should not persecuted for that.

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Re: 15 Ahmadis arrested for gathering in a building resembling a mosque

it is their human right to practice religion of their own choice

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If you are Muslim then let me quote you if this incident to open your eyes:

On the arrival of Prophet Muhammad SAW Abdullah Bin Obey Bin Salul was The leader of the Medinites. Gradually things changed and people accepted hazrat Muhammad SAW as their leader This made Abdullah Bin Obey Bin Salul extremely jealous. Returning from a failed expedition, he declared that upon returning to Medina, the noblest among them would turn out in disgrace the meanest of them. The message was clear and everyone knew what he meant. His own son asked Hazrat Muhammad SAW to permit him to slay his father but the." The Holy Prophet SAWsmiled and said: "No, there is nothing to be done. Your father will not be punished by anyone." They all returned to Medina and for many years this man lived in peace under the full protection of the Holy Foundersa of Islam, against whom he had blasphemed. When he died, the Holy Prophetsa decided to lead his funeral prayers. This was a bit too much for some of his companions. Umarra reports that he blocked his passage and said: "Is he not the leader of the hypocrites? Is he not the one about whom God has said that even if you ask forgiveness for him seventy times, he would not be forgiven? Then why O Prophet of God, who is the recipient of all these revelations, have you decided to lead his funeral prayer?'; The answer was: "Umar, get aside; if God has informed me that he would not forgive the hypocrites even if I prayed for them seventy times, I would pray much more than that in the hope that Allah will ultimately forgive them". Such was the character of the Holy Foundersa of Islam. He was a man of extreme compassion, a man of principles, a man who lived a life of truth and nothing but the truth.

Hanibal you, nor any LAW has the right to tell anyone what someone's religion is.
Tell me what do you think about
SHIA?
ISMAILI?

Do you hold the same views for them as you do for Ahmadies?
Ahmadies Offer
5 daily prayers
called their place of worship Mosque
recite Holy Quran
Offer Zakaat
Offer Hajj (maybe not from Pakistan but hey come on Ahmadies are all over the world not just in Pakistan)
Most of all their Kalima is same as yours.

back to topic...I condemn this act of ignorance, use of power incorrectly and using barbaric Laws to suppress Islam e Ahmadiyyat and their followers.

Lets for a minute close our eyes and think that Allah has created this world for everyone regardless of their race, religion and cast. Lets be humans once and think about the policy live and let live.

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You are right on that, every one should have religious freedom, but this freedom should be in limits of ethics ad moral values, these religions should not portray themselves what they are not... I mean, Ahmadies can have their own places of worship ( i have mentioned few of them), they should not design these place in a way that it look like a mosque, as an ordinary person can be deceived by the appearance of the building...

And as we all know and the Pakistan and other Muslim countries consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadayan The Prophet of Ahmadies as imposter, Liar and False Prophet, the follower of such Prophet are categorized as wrongly guided, and out of the circle of Islam.

No body is prosecuting them for believing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, they get prosecuted for portraying themselves as muslims, It was in practice that these Ahmadies, use to portray themselves as cult of Islam and make relationship with Muslim familes and get their sons married with the daughters of the muslim families...

Iam not against inter-religion marriages, but i believe that all the parties in the marriage contract have the right to know about the believes of each other, before getting into the marriage institution... this not being practiced by one party can cause problems and frictions in the society.

Above is just an example..

When it comes to discrimination, i guess Ahmadies have no idea what discrimination means.. try to be in Iran and they will get the taste.. as these men might have been hanged by now...