If the war in Afghanistan (in 79) was a jehad why did the militants take help from CIA? If it were a jehad why did they start killing each other after the Americans left? It was a simple power struggle. From where did taleban come along in 1996? It was the great ISI which brought the militants together under Naseer Ullah Babar (Benazirs second tenure), nothing Islamic in that as well. For their justification these people misuse the name of Islam though.
sometimes I feel that we are facing the consequences of our own policies, we used these proxies against Russia and India and now we are facing the brunt ourselves. Like they say he who digs a hole for others falls into it himself.
These thekaydaars are more concerned about Afghanistan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Burma but to condemn terrorism within the country their tongues burn.
It is possible that some of them may be involved in supporting terrorism against Muslims of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
There are many brands of Islam, but no Islam teaches killing of people on the basis of beliefs. There was only one such group in the history of Islam which used to do that. And Muslims called them khawarij.
This is why these terrorists are neo-khawarij.
Faiz Ahmed Faiz said:
jo zulm pe laanat na karay, aap laeen he jo jabr ka munkir nahin, *wo munkir e deen he*
If the war in Afghanistan (in 79) was a jehad why did the militants take help from CIA?
Isn't it the height of hypocrisy? And a hypocrite is called a "munafiq".
I personally support democratic process, and I say Syria should be a democracy instead of Bashar's dictatorship; but it is just hypocrisy from these munafiqeen that they get help from America when it suits them.
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One more thing is that we lost the support of Kashmiris by our backing of such khawarij groups. Kashmiris earlier wanted to be a part of Pakistan, but after what Hizbul Mujahideen etc. did, their majority wants to become an independent country.
One more thing is that we lost the support of Kashmiris by our backing of such khawarij groups. Kashmiris earlier wanted to be a part of Pakistan, but after what Hizbul Mujahideen etc. did, their majority wants to become an independent country.
This is something that their supporters need to understand, that why general public of those areas (where these kind of groups get some sort of power) develop sentiments against them after a while. Kashmiris supported these "mujahideen" in the beginning but when they started slaughtering them they lost support.
i didnt imply that, what i said was "do not oppose the islamic rule to the point of getting yourself killed, have some sense. it is the official religion of those you already live around. you cant possibly be contemplating such sectarian thoughts"
you were implying you'd fight it, and encourage militantcy cos it'd be sunni. you threw wife in yourself, i didnt answer directly to it.
the pakistani system is not a million miles away as it is, takeaway politicians
This is something that their supporters need to understand, that why general public of those areas (where these kind of groups get some sort of power) develop sentiments against them after a while. Kashmiris supported these "mujahideen" in the beginning but when they started slaughtering them they lost support.
the kashmir operations were alot more centrally controlled then you might think. certainly my impression is islamabad made U turn after kargil
you seem to be absolving the nation states of responsibility on all matters. recognisable ethics, hypocrisy which you have admitted on the part of the state but not stressed on it
from what ive heard youve said yes we did such and such, bombed the maddrassas with 100+ kids killed but they hit back so we are gona kill them all
it sounds appreciably as the stuff civil wars are made of. now the mistake is from you rather then just the state
the state has no right to be such zalims with a slipper wearing, mud hut dwelling people
so unless you come upwith what type of pressure pakistan are under to come to such drastic steps, or is it just seeing it through now the project has gone wrong. (u turn)
again its a ghost that will haunt for a long time because people of area (whole of pak) now know how things work. thats a gentle warning. you might be too chique to see it.
from what ive heard youve said yes we did such and such, bombed the maddrassas with 100+ kids killed but they hit back so we are gona kill them all
Never did I say that they hit back so we need to kill them all. The culprits (high command) which uses gullible people for their nefarious designs needs to be punished though.
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I agree that the state has no right to be zaalim, what so you say about some of the brain washed retards who go out in the open and conduct a suicide attack in a market? Is that justified? Who knows who are getting killed in those attacks, maybe a few with the same thinking of the person carrying out the attack.
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so unless you come upwith what type of pressure pakistan are under to come to such drastic steps, or is it just seeing it through now the project has gone wrong. (u turn)
again its a ghost that will haunt for a long time because people of area (whole of pak) now know how things work. thats a gentle warning. you might be too chique to see it.
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What ever the result of this, the state should not surrender even an inch to these people.
Trying thinking from your own mind and try not blindly believe what western media/english media says.
The questions you have rasied are due to low knowledge of fiqh of jihad.
i would have loved to clear this , but not in this thread. I dont want to be misinterpreted as some one supporting killing of muslims and supporting the agents working as TTP.
One thing is for sure, the litmus test for success in end of times is love of jihad, try no hating the fardh of jihad but hate those who misuse the term.
And please when you use the term khawarij next time, try prove who is khawarij according to islam.
Bashar end is near inshallah. (i hope i had this correct this time khoji )
baowa ke darhi mei bas tinkay hi tinkay.. choolhwa ka paas na jaiyo, bihari.. at least have the courage to post what you say in PMs in posts too. or is this taqiya?
what ever TTP are doing, that’s jehad according to you? What ever I have written is what I think, my religion tells me that killing one human being is like killing the whole humanity. My religion tells me that suicide is haram, for taleban its halal. Maybe it’s different in talebans religion.
what ever TTP are doing, that's jehad according to you? What ever I have written is what I think, my religion tells me that killing one human being is like killing the whole humanity. My religion tells me that suicide is haram, for taleban its halal. Maybe it's different in talebans religion.
Ok if you want to talk about them, why did they start fighting against each other when the US left? Was it a jehad or a lust of power? Why did they take ISI's help in 96?
The fact is that Afghans come together when ever there is a foreign invasion, ISI brainwashed them that they were fighting a jehad and the results we are grappling with even now.
If the people now have started hating the concept of 'jehad', you need to thank TTP for that who murder people every day in its name.
Jihad on Afghani Muslims by takfiri khawarij.
Right.
And about Syria and Bashar, why is this that this takfiri jihad happens only under the US/Israeli umbrella?
First Afghanistan and now Syria.
And what is this munafiqat that takfiris first fight alongside Americans to wage their jihad against someone, and then turn up against their madad-gaar Americans themselves?!
If this concept is used by violent takfiri khawarij mullahs then it becomes nothing but a fitnah against Muslims.
We have seen this in Talibanic Afghanistan.
LONDON, September 3, 1998 (AFP) - Afghanistan’s Taliban forces massacred thousands of members of an ethnic minority group after capturing the city of Mazar-i-Sharif last month, the Amnesty International human rights group said Thursday.
Amnesty, whose report was based on testimony from local people who said they were eyewitnesses, said: “Taliban guards deliberately and systematically killed thousands of Hazara civilians during the first three days following their military takeover” of the city on August 8.
“The victims were killed deliberately and arbitrarily in their homes, in the streets where the bodies were left for several days, or in locations between Mazar-i-Sharif and Hairatan. Many of those killed were civilians, including women, children and the elderly who were shot trying to fleet the city.”
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