1000 TTP members killed in Syria

[bao_bihari]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@Ali_Syed

Ok if you want to talk about them, why did they start fighting against each other when the US left? Was it a jehad or a lust of power? Why did they take ISI's help in 96?

The fact is that Afghans come together when ever there is a foreign invasion, ISI brainwashed them that they were fighting a jehad and the results we are grappling with even now.

If the people now have started hating the concept of 'jehad', you need to thank TTP for that who murder people every day in its name.

There were mujahideen and then there were american mujahideen, so those who did not wanted islamic shariah implemented (ahmed shah masood , dostum and co ) started fighting each other where as real mujahideen stopped from killing thier fellow muslims (moulvi younus khalis and co).

Afghan jihad was definatly a jihad as defined by shariah.

I am on the move and also dont want to change course for this thread, try starting a new thread on the topic inshallah will reply in 2/3 days

@khoji

Jihad on Afghani Muslims by takfiri khawarij. Right.

And about Syria and Bashar, why is this that this takfiri jihad happens only under the US/Israeli umbrella? First Afghanistan and now Syria.

And what is this munafiqat that takfiris first fight alongside Americans to wage their jihad against someone, and then turn on their madad-gaar Americans?!

Americans and others jumped in only when they knew that afghans will win the jihad. and now when no one is supporting afghans they are now defeating bigger enemy mashallah.

Only time will tell who is following israeli/USA agenda, at present bashar is doing what pleases israelis, killing muslims.

[khoji]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@queer

baowa ke darhi mei bas tinkay hi tinkay.. choolhwa ka paas na jaiyo, bihari.. at least have the courage to post what you say in PMs in posts too. or** is this taqiya**?

Well, whatever the word taqiya mean, some of this type out-rightly LIE a lot of times.
To them, lying is Islam whenever it suits them.

[bao_bihari]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@khoji

If this concept is used by violent takfiri khawarij mullahs then it becomes nothing but a fitnah against Muslims.
We have seen this in Talibanic Afghanistan.

A glimpse of their khariji jihad.
Taliban massacre thousands of civilians in Mazar-e-Sharif

LONDON, September 3, 1998 (AFP) - Afghanistan’s Taliban forces massacred thousands of members of an ethnic minority group after capturing the city of Mazar-i-Sharif last month, the Amnesty International human rights group said Thursday.
Amnesty, whose report was based on testimony from local people who said they were eyewitnesses, said: “Taliban guards deliberately and systematically killed thousands of Hazara civilians during the first three days following their military takeover” of the city on August 8.

“The victims were killed deliberately and arbitrarily in their homes, in the streets where the bodies were left for several days, or in locations between Mazar-i-Sharif and Hairatan. Many of those killed were civilians, including women, children and the elderly who were shot trying to fleet the city.”

You missed this

Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bao_bihari]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@khoji

Well, whatever the word taqiya mean, some of this type out-rightly LIE a lot of times. To them, lying is Islam whenever it suits them.

Why not expose my lies, i will be waiting for proofs, will accept my fault inshallah.

But if you cant prove then you should stop accusing like this.

@khoji

Well, whatever the word taqiya mean, some of this type out-rightly LIE a lot of times. To them, lying is Islam whenever it suits them.

Do you KNOW the meaning of taqiya and where can you use it. please dont copy paste. Need your comments on this.

Please i just want to know khoji understanding of this term. Dont need other thekedars feed back

[khoji]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@bao_bihari

Americans and others jumped in only when they knew that afghans will win the jihad. and now when no one is supporting afghans they are now defeating bigger enemy mashallah.

What a travesty of truth. tsk tsk tsk.
Do you even REALIZE how PATHETIC your excuse of khariji munafiqat is here??

Why would Americans want to jump in and waste their resources, if Afghans were on the course to defeat Soviets on their own anyway?
And vice versa. Why would Afghans want to accept American aid when they knew they would win anyway?

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Only time will tell who is following israeli/USA agenda,
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ah. "Time will tell". So you can't justify this munafiqat from takfiri khawarij at this moment. ;)

Bashar is Israel's enemy no. 1. And kharijis are fighting Israeli/American war.
This is the same as the past when they fought the American war in Afghanistan. They accepted American aid in Afghanistan earlier, and now fight the same Americans and call it jihad. The height of munafiqat.
And they will do the same in Syria.

You need to preach this munafiqat in the guise of jihad somewhere else.

[khoji]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@bao_bihari

Why not expose my lies, i will be waiting for proofs, will accept my fault inshallah.

Go read my post again. Where did I specify you? I don't know you good enough to give examples from your own posts.
But there are example of such lies: Remember what PEPSI stands for?

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Do you KNOW the meaning of taqiya and where can you use it. please dont copy paste. Need your comments on this.

Please i just want to know khoji understanding of this term. Dont need other thekedars feed back
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Screw taqiya. I know what the term 'lie' means, and I think I have ample examples of people lying for the sake of Islam.

[bao_bihari]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

Let me get back to this in few days, will inshallah back up my case with referances. *Abhi itna time nai hay

*

[Ali_Syed]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@bao_bihari

There were mujahideen and then there were american mujahideen, so those who did not wanted islamic shariah implemented (ahmed shah masood , dostum and co ) started fighting each other where as real mujahideen stopped from killing thier fellow muslims (moulvi younus khalis and co). .

lol whats the difference between mujahideen and American mujahideen, as the Americans were supporting all of them during the war. If the ones you consider are mujahideen then the others were also among them, as all of them were fighting against the same enemy. When the Afghan war ended, all these factions started fighting against each other for bigger share in Afghanistan like the country was some sort of cake. After being fed up with the situation in Afghanistan, in 96 it was ISI which brought the different factions together and created a movement called taleban. In Pakistan, the army nurtured these people to fight our wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir. When the wars ended, we were left with people who knew nothing but to fight and kill, hence they got busy within Pakistan itself.

As far as the issue of taleban in Afghanistan and Pakistan is concerned, I see it as a failed US foreign policy initiative in which our army decided to participate. We should have kept neutral in 79, and offer assistance to the refugees and all other help possible without interfering in their internal matters. But our interference there has not only created problems there but also in our country as a result. The result now is that the population of Afghanistan at large hates Pakistan, and considers us to be responsible for their woes.

As far as Syria is concerned, I don't support the heavy handed tactics used by Bashar ul Asad against his opponents. On the other hand its very clear who are the people being armed by the Americans. Other than that I don't have any concern with what happens there, I believe the Syrians are also reaping what they sowed with respect to their role in Lebanon's civil war.

[shardmanny]

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Never did I say that they hit back so we need to kill them all. The culprits (high command) which uses gullible people for their nefarious designs needs to be punished though.

way too nefarious (evil- what you represent as pak patriot), you dont do that with people even if they are tribal

do you stop short of rehabilliiating the tribal people with a period of sustained peace? the actual power distribution means only pak are able to implement this. and you will still have your own pakistani problems

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I agree that the state has no right to be zaalim, what so you say about some of the brain washed retards who go out in the open and conduct a suicide attack in a market? Is that justified? Who knows who are getting killed in those attacks, maybe a few with the same thinking of the person carrying out the attack.
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my overwhelming impression is suicide attacks are not allowed, but that doesnt give you the right to claim religious or moral supremacy over them. you ali syed, have a gross amount of power on your side, and obviously do not share the same environment so you be a neo group and let them meet Allah SWT as they will and you will too

why o why would you want dirty hands wanting ethnic cleansing of a whole people, the war is about imposition of religions. yours to them, and (now) theirs to you

your country is in a mess, but theres no one to fight. going around with your apaches to his mudhut killing one bens and crippling the other. blasting imrans party members car because it was under your copter

all them times athar abbass said we did it, at the time i didnt think of any other effected side either. the news said 80 dead, i dont know if they told it so but it was just a number. i wish i had the foresight

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What ever the result of this, the state should not surrender even an inch to these people.
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the area of their safety is not yours to start off with.

[shardmanny]

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On the other hand its very clear who are the people being armed by the Americans
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who are the people being armed? and as far as i know even bashar assad wasnt claiming americans were arming the uprising in july of this year, turkey, qatar, sa were alledged

btw every intel agency wanted credit for afghan. the channel from cia went to isi. hameed gul claimed pak wouldnt let cia anywhere near the fighters! but you saw the photo ops refer to credit taking

[Ali_Syed]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@shardmanny

my overwhelming impression is suicide attacks are not allowed, but that doesnt give you the right to claim religious or moral supremacy over them. you ali syed, have a gross amount of power on your side, and obviously do not share the same environment so you be a neo group and let them meet Allah SWT as they will and you will too

Same can be said about pious taleban who consider others who dont follow their satanic cult as non muslims and hence worthy of death.

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why o why would you want dirty hands wanting ethnic cleansing of a whole people, the war is about imposition of religions. yours to them, and (now) theirs to you

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I dont care which ever cult they follow, besides its them who want to force their 'religion' down the throats of others, its them carrying out cleansing by attacking people from other sects. I do not support ethnic cleansing of people thats why I want them to be segregated from the tribals.

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the area of their safety is not yours to start off with.
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No state can allow state within a state, Pakistan will and should establish their writ there if they want to survive as a country.

[khoji]

Re: 1000 TTP members killed in Syria

@bao_bihari

You missed this

Dasht-i-Leili massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another pitiful attempt to justify Talibanic massacres.

. The incident you cited involves Taliban prisoners of war. But **Taliban inflicted their massacre on innocent women and children **who were no threat to anyone.

. There are more massacres committed by Taliban than anyone else in Afghanistan.

. Taliban invoke Islam, and call their war as ‘jihad’ (naoozobillah). Therefore they are supposed to follow Islam in their war and stay away from any un Islamic immoral act. But when they commit more horrible crimes than any other party then it shows their true anti-Islam khariji face.

. Taliban have been involved in massacres repeatedly. They have neither repented nor have they shown any remorse. They will commit the same crime again if given a chance. In fact, they are doing the same in Pakistan presently where they kill innocent people every other day.

[Janjua39]

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Irani khawrij propganda in full force in this thread.