1000 TTP members killed in Syria

[khoji]

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I am trying to determine if it is the hatred of Iran or the love of Talibanic khawarij which is the cause of this outburst?!

There are Pakistanis fighting in Fake Syrian Army, and this is established by multiple news sources around the world. It is not just Iranians.

Actually, Syria is a magnet for khawarij from everywhere. It is not just Pakistanis.

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This is another example of khawarij working alongside Israelis. Hypocrisy is that these mufsideen abuse Americans in Pakistan all the time, but are on American side when it comes to the security of Zionist Israelis.

[Ali_Syed]

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@khoji

I am trying to determine if it is the hatred of Iran or the love of Talibanic khawarij which is the cause of this outburst?!

I think its both…

[mYsTeRiOuS_gUy]

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@LHR1

SAD SAD SAD!!

I wish I could show you what exactly Iran backed shia militant groups are doing there.You should have atleast basic human courtesy to use proper words for dead people and blame those hidden forces which are using our simple-blooded brothers for their wrongdoings.

I am NOT defending TTP I just want you to be realistic.

Even if a try my best as a human to feel sorry for these ANIMALS, i completely FAIL and i can’t do anything about it. The only bit of sympathy i have for them is that sadly they have been brainwashed by some high quality morons who deserve to be dragged in the streets of Pakistan.

[shardmanny]

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syria is a magnet for khawarij i agree, but i identify khawarij with the revolutionary guards, and they are there too. like you are here. so syria is a magnet but not all khawarij are there, only some are.

basically in my view those fighting for bashar al assad would be khawarij, in your pov bashar al assad is Imam, those making takfir on him and fighting against him are khawarij.

although what i read was refering to foreigners in pakistan going to syria
some on this forum would give pakistanis in syria genuine advice, some wouldnt. i want to hear more from these opinions without tainted iranian influence if at all possible

the phylosophical gap between your understanding eg khawarij fight againt bashar al assad, and mine being good muslims fight him to free themselves such horrendous oppression of a ali hussain duality/trinity worshipper is not one that i find needs addressing.

[Ali_Syed]

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^ are TTP of Pakistan khwarijs?

[Nussairee]

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what an egg of a person…and u all know who I am talking abt…

[shardmanny]

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@Ali_Syed

^ are TTP of Pakistan khwarijs?

for me - its a no

the question is for you too. im more interested in your opinion

btw i saw the blindfold you chose to wear in WA

[Ali_Syed]

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@shardmanny

for men no
the question is for you. im more interested in your opinion

btw i saw the blindfold you chose to wear in WA

I consider taleban and all other idiots like them as khwarij who are involved in militancy against their governments. As far as Syria is concerned, I dont support Bashar ul Asad as well. His people are fighting against him , but I dont support the thekaydaars among us to be fighting in a foreign cause when they care less with the blood shed that’s occurring within our country itself.

These thekaydaars are more concerned about Afghanistan, Chechnya, Dagestan, Burma but to condemn terrorism within the country their tongues burn.

[Ali_Syed]

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I consider calling TTP members ‘as animals’ to be the degradation of animals, and I am sorry to them. The time has come to expose them and their supporters. Enough is enough!.

[shardmanny]

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you know the pak government is not strictly their government. they somehow, pencilled in, a set of rules at the time of their union with pakistan. iirc they included no military presence, and a form of autonomy. two key areas which pakistan has had to violate

infact of the options open to pak would have been to respect the agreements, and if its other choices (mush bhai bush gate) are non negotiable then to allow americans into the non pakistani law areas. pakistan opted for both, allowed americans in and bombed them itself too.

do you say pakistan was not wanting civil war or is the civil war a one way zhulm?

also the term khawarij is being misused by yourself.

[shardmanny]

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@Ali_Syed

I consider calling TTP members ‘as animals’ to be the degradation of animals, and I am sorry to them. The time has come to expose them and their supporters. Enough is enough!.

thats the attitude i can see which developed this situation in the first place

you see the pak elite, saw them as disposable, so do you

[Ali_Syed]

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@shardmanny

thats the attitude i can see which developed this situation in the first place

you see the pak elite, saw them as disposable, so do you

lol, how should the state treat them?

[shardmanny]

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depends who you are and where on the scale of savagery you want to be

give me brief description of yourself, do you want islamic morals or liberal?

[Ali_Syed]

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@shardmanny

you know the pak government is not strictly their government. they somehow, pencilled in, a set of rules at the time of their union with pakistan. iirc they included no military presence, and a form of autonomy. two key areas which pakistan has had to violate

infact of the options open to pak would have been to respect the agreements, and if its other choices (mush bhai bush gate) are non negotiable then to allow americans into the non pakistani law areas. pakistan opted for both, allowed americans in and bombed them itself too.

do you say pakistan was not wanting civil war or is the civil war a one way zhulm?

also the term khawarij is being misused by yourself.

Well, I blame the Pakistani government first of all for this cancer. It was ISI with the help of CIA which created this monster in the first place in 1979.

I dont support Musharraf’s operations in the tribal areas as well as the way the war on terror has been conducted.

Anyways, here we are 7-8 years down the track, those people are killing every one and justifying that with the name of Islam. I do not support these tactics and they are creating a lot of problems for the image of Islam world wide. The religion which literally means “peace” now is equated with terrorism as some of our brothers use its name to justify criminality.

[Ali_Syed]

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@shardmanny

depends who you are and where on the scale of savagery you want to be

give me brief description of yourself, do you want islamic morals or liberal?

so you want to say that TTP are spreading Islamic morals?

[Ali_Syed]

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Here is some information about Khwarijites (according to wikipedia), and now compare that with TTP…

These kharijites consider every one else (other than them) to be kafirs and hence worthy of death…

Kharijites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Kharijites were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir, whereby they declared other Muslims to be unbelievers and therefore deemed them worthy of death. The Kharijites were also known historically as the Shurāh(الشُراة)[SUP]not to be confused with shūrā![/SUP], literally meaning “the buyers” and understood within the context of Islamic scripture and philosophy to mean “those who have traded the mortal life (al-Dunya) for the other life [with God] (al-Aakhirah)”, which, unlike the term Kharijite, was one that many Kharijites used to describe themselves.

Al-Shahrastani defines a Khariji as:

Anyone who walks out against (seeking to overthrow) the true appointed Imam (leader) upon whose leadership the majority is in agreement is called a Khariji. This is the case, despite whether the walking out (against the Imam) occurred in the days of the Rightly-Guided caliphs or other than them from the Tabiʿeen.[SUP]**[3]](Kharijites - Wikipedia)
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Some of the Salaf used to call all those who practiced Islam based upon their desires as Kharijite.

**They considered the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar to be rightly guided but believed that Uthman ibn Affan had deviated from the path of justice and truth in the last days of his caliphate, and hence was liable to be killed or displaced. They also believed that Ali ibn Abi Talib committed a grave sin when he agreed on the arbitration with Muʿāwiyah. In the Battle of Siffin, Ali acceded to Muawiyah’s suggestion to stop the fighting and resort to negotiation. A large portion of Ali’s troops (who later became the first Kharijites) refused to concede to that agreement, and they considered that Ali had breached a Qur’anic verse which states that The decision is only for Allah (Qur’an 6:57), which the Kharijites interpreted to mean that the outcome of a conflict can only be decided in battle (by God) and not in negotiations (by human beings).

The Kharijites thus deemed the arbitrators (Abu Musa al-Ashʿari and Amr Ibn Al-As), the leaders who appointed these arbitrators (Ali and Muʿāwiyah) and all those who agreed on the arbitration (all companions of Ali and Muʿāwiyah) asKuffār (disbelievers), having breached the rules of the Qur’an. They believed that all participants in the Battle of Jamal, including Talha, Zubair (both being companions of Muhammad) and Aisha had committed a Kabira (major sin in Islam). [SUP][4]](Kharijites - Wikipedia)

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The Kharijites believed that the act of sinning is analogous to Kufr (disbelief) and that every grave sinner was regarded as a Kāfir (disbeliever) unless he repents. **With this argument, they denounced all the above mentioned Ṣaḥābah](Companions of Muhammad (Sahabah) - Wikipedia) and even cursed and used abusive language against them. Ordinary Muslims were also declared disbelievers because first, they were not free of sin; secondly they regarded the above mentioned Ṣaḥābah](Companions of Muhammad (Sahabah) - Wikipedia) as believers and considered them as religious leaders, even inferring Islamic jurisprudence from the Hadeeth narrated by them. [SUP][5]](Kharijites - Wikipedia)[/SUP]

[Zafra]

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I can not speak for anybody else but the reason I find this news item to be fake or not within the realm of reality is the lack of a credible source. Any good journalist, historian or political scientist knows the value of sources that are trust worthy, reputable and credible.

So far none of that exists in this story. All I personally see is people expressing joy in a news item that has no credibility save for the fact that it fits their personal point of view. That is normally called propaganda.

[shardmanny]

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ali blame them for the second time, which was actually 30th time round, aswell. if you dont support musharraf you cant support current policy which is same.
there is a discontent between what you believed yourselves and what you told them you believed in your, paks, times of requirement. they thought, and were lead to believe you were brothers with them, that you believed as they believed. they had already started to fight russians before you and your elite worked a plan and plot

as for religion, what ttp are doing would be bad very very bad, but for the actions of the state. there is a reason why you asked why not enough is being doneby scholars (because you saw silence, true?). the answer is he will have to go against government policy, strongly, very strongly. probably wouldnt survive to live long enough btw! and thats the situation

there was a public, via media, religious discussion on it at one time between pak ordinary people and ttp. the rate of attacks decreased by it
ive not been following the situation since a few years

ex army coas refused to call them militants! in many ways morally thats the situation

civil war situations are painful, very stressful, but above all they require courage to sort out. obviously im not perhaps the best representative of pak elite, you’ll have to find that courage.its got to come from pak, unfortunately west leaning elite. the easy flight to kill the pigs, theyre not human, etc is a one way path to stone age. which was the destination given to you in the first place. the americans are bankrupt tell them to back off, they will probably agree after a stare. iranians dont go where the americans dont so you will take out the biggest, active military front you have

pakistan and pakistanis will be have to be maturer before this is sorted out, otherwise its not gona be. what i heard from Imran Khan, some time back, would sort this out

[shardmanny]

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@Ali_Syed

Here is some information about Khwarijites (according to wikipedia), and now compare that with TTP…

These kharijites consider every one else (other than them) to be kafirs and hence worthy of death…

does it agree with you? *sigh *

i didnt read it

[Ali_Syed]

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@shardmanny

ali blame them for the second time, which was actually 30th time round, aswell. if you dont support musharraf you cant support current policy which is same.
there is a discontent between what you believed yourselves and what you told them you believed in your, paks, times of requirement. they thought, and were lead to believe you were brothers with them, that you believed as they believed. they had already started to fight russians before you and your elite worked a plan and plot

look the afghans had started fighting the Russians. The problem started when we started interfering in their matters, created madrassas through out the country and started brainwashing people that a jehad was going on. Interesting thing that CIA was involved in the jehad then. I have seen the slogans in favour of these organisations prior to 911, and have seen these jehadis in my university. Anyways, I do not approve of the way operations have been carried out against whole tribes, I think the leadership should have been targeted. The way the war has proceeded it has produced more sympathisers and extremists.

as for religion, what ttp are doing would be bad very very bad, but for the actions of the state. there is a reason why you asked why not enough is being doneby scholars (because you saw silence, true?). the answer is he will have to go against government policy, strongly, very strongly. probably wouldnt survive to live long enough btw! and thats the situation

I know why there is silence on killings of thousands of people within the country. The same people who will be shouting on top of their voices when it concerns others suddenly become voiceless when it concerns PAKISTAN. The thing is that the supporters should openly support these terror tactics, why hide behind lousy conspiracy theories after each attack? When TTP openly takes credit and many ulemas don’t condemn them.

there was a public, via media, religious discussion on it at one time between pak ordinary people and ttp. the rate of attacks decreased by it

They were given a chance to being peace to swat and they decided to expand to neighbouring buner. They have time and again asserted that they are not willing to negotiate with the state as they want shariah in the country. I believe their shariah is bombing schools, mosques, markets, public buildings and carrying out suicide attacks. I also know that these people consider themselves Muslims and the rest as kafirs and wajib ul qatl. This is the main justification they use for their subversive and anti Islam activities.

ex army coas refused to call them militants! in many ways morally thats the situation

nothing ethical or moral about them.

civil war situations are painful, very stressful, but above all they require courage to sort out.

They are free to fight a civil war, and the state has the right to defend itself but don’t use the name of Islam to malign the religion.

obviously im not perhaps the best representative of pak elite, you’ll have to find that courage.its got to come from pak, unfortunately west leaning elite. the easy flight to kill the pigs, theyre not human, etc is a one way path to stone age. which was the destination given to you in the first place. the americans are bankrupt tell them to back off, they will probably agree after a stare. iranians dont go where the americans dont so you will take out the biggest, active military front you have

pakistan and pakistanis will be have to be maturer before this is sorted out, otherwise its not gona be. what i heard from Imran Khan, some time back, would sort this out

If these people want to live like normal human beings I don’t think anyone would have problem to talk to them, but if they want to impose what ever they consider to be Islam and you want the state to surrender to them. Nothing like that would happen. Many forces like these have come and gone in history. Their tactics drive people away and that their supporters also know.