Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him

hanibal · April 4, 2010, 1:31pm

I can agree on the point where it says that generals didn't wanted to share/transfer power to civilians/bengalies....

In that situation, being a true statesman, he should have sided Mujeeb... should have stood for it and i am sure things might have been different.. or at least walked away with his head high... but that clearly was not the case, he being opportunist, played his role to get in the power... simple is that... so he is not different then NS and any other politician in Pakistan...

hanibal · April 4, 2010, 1:33pm

I am from Pakistan and never voted for Bhutto.. so should i be shot NOW...

Popular or not.. i will say what ever i feel is right about this person whom some illiterates in Pakistan consider some godly figure... he was extra-ordinary land-lord, knows how to speak and safe-guard the land-lord system in Pakistan.. nothing more

lonerangerm · April 4, 2010, 1:53pm

hanibal:

To me the Bhutto was no better than Nawaz Sharif and Ch. Shujaat, like nawaz and Shujaat he was production of military dictator, he was of the mentality to rule people with iron fist and give them huge talks.. i.e. challenging super powers, prior to his rule, there was not much hatred against USA and West, but he made this hatred his tool in the speeches, he did little in fact very little to serve Pakistan and he did everything to keep the status-quo in the country, where Land-lords can flourish and the doors for the common man were shut in the name of nationalization. Years after his death, we are still suffering from the moves he made... anyone who stand against the land-lord system is declared GHADDAR, anyone who challenges the rule of few families in Pakistan is labeled as terrorist...

He the so-called father of democracy, was not ready to give the democratically elected leader Sheikh Mujeeb his right to make govt. in center... this is Bhuto we know, he is the same man who wasted the only chance to save face in Eastern Pakistan by slapping and later being late in the meeting of Security Council held for cease-fire in then Eastern province of Pakistan.

I don't know if the historian will categorize him with Mir Sadiq/Jaffar or with Abu Abdullah of Spain, he did everything to destroy Pakistan, yes he had said many wise things but mere words cannot undo the damage he has done to Pakistan.

Unadulterated version of Jamaat-e- Islami, main ingredients and founder of anarchy and present day crisis. It is unfortunate that a party who was against creation of Pakistan, migrated to Pakistan after its creation and became champion of Pakistani cause on the shoulders of dictatorship. Politically it is a worst thing happened to Pakistan but due to full support from dictatorship and establishment, it is still trumpeting the songs of anarchy.

Saying that, NS, CS and people like these are even not equivalent to dust of Bhutto’s Shoes. Attributing him to the only responsible for creation of Bangladesh is the biggest lie in the history of Pakistan. He might be instrumental to Military dictator so were the, West Pakistan Media and people of West Pakistan who did not want Bengalis to rule the country. Bhutto did not create Al Badar and Al Shams who played havoc and genocide of Bengali young students and intellectuals. If you were in senses at that time, know that how establishment and media played role in that debacle by propagating six point plan of Sheikh Mujib. At that time we only knew that if Bengalis were given the government, it would take all the resources of West Pakistan and Bengalis would revenge the atrocities committed against them.

Bhutto’s Nationalization was overturned by Zia-ul-Haq immediately after his take over in 1979. Blaming him after 31 years of evils of market economy to Bhutto just shows your bias and dishonest mind.

CM · April 4, 2010, 1:55pm

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Hey guys just remember Hitler was popular too

lonerangerm · April 4, 2010, 2:02pm

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Zia-ul-Haq took over in 1977 after 4 years of Nationalization of Bhutto, therefore it is not 31 but 33 years of so called market economy and privatization policy, have been passed. You can not attribute the evils now faced by Pakistani economy which was shaped by Zia-ul-Haq followed successive government to Bhutto.

lonerangerm · April 4, 2010, 2:05pm

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You are also popular here too, (people who love dictatorships) so are you also a Hitler?

lonerangerm · April 4, 2010, 2:28pm

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Be honest, which Pakistani political leader is your ideal? Spell out your standards here. False criticizing Bhutto does not make you a genuine person here. I would say literate people like you have no vision where this country should proceed? People like you always see your own material advantage over country, believing all other illiterates who do not tow your line of thinking, a shameful thought and act.

Anwer_Pasha · April 4, 2010, 2:55pm

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I have to share a latest about Bhutto.

http://images.oneindia.in/oneindia-img/oneindia-logo.gif

Zulfikar Bhutto denounced Kissinger’s warning over nuclear programme: US official
Sunday, April 4, 2010,8:13 [IST]
lamabad, Apr.4 (ANI): Former Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had rejected the then US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger’s warning to ‘disband’ Islamabad’s nuclear programme, Deputy chief of the US mission in Pakistan, Gerald Feuerstein, has said.

Buzz up!
In an interview with a private television channel, Feuerstein, who was witness to the meeting between Bhutto and Kissinger in 1976, said the top American diplomat had raised concerns over Bhutto’s plans to match India’s nuclear capabilities.

“Yes, it’s true that Bhutto rejected the warning and Pakistan continued with its nuclear programme. I was the protocol officer when Kissinger came to Pakistan in August 1976 and met Bhutto in Lahore,” Feuerstein said.

Describing Bhutto as Pakistan’s most gifted politician, he said: “The US president had sent three mercy pleas to General Zia-ul-Haq to save Bhutto.”

Responding to a question, Feuerstein also disclosed that former US President Bill Clinton had intervened when ex-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was sentenced under General Pervez Musharraf’s regime.

“Yes, president Clinton intervened,” The Daily Times quoted Feuerstein, as saying. (ANI)

Reverse_Swing · April 4, 2010, 2:58pm

I also think it is a bit unfair to give all the credit to Bhutto for making us a nuclear power. The balance of power in the sub-continent meant we had to go down that route at some point in time. If not ZAB it might have been someone-else pouncing on the opportunity - Zia, BB or NS. Let's not forget the real people who actually made it possible, brains like AQ Khan among other scientists. Condemn AQ Khan as much as you like for his proliferation activities but that still does not change the fact that he was the main architect of our nuclear technology. Without AQ Khan there w'd be no nuclear bomb just like Samar Mubarak Mohmand is the main architect of our nuclear missile technology. It's a bit like giving all the credit for media freedom to Musharraf. That w'd have happened any way because of the information age we are living in now. If not then it might have happened 5 or 6 years down the line but it would have happened. I know Musharraf took some desperate steps in 2007 but by and large all these different media channels flourished during his time.

Anwer_Pasha · April 4, 2010, 3:13pm

Reverse_Swing:

I also think it is a bit unfair to give all the credit to Bhutto for making us a nuclear power. The balance of power in the sub-continent meant we had to go down that route at some point in time. If not ZAB it might have been someone-else pouncing on the opportunity - Zia, BB or NS. Let's not forget the real people who actually made it possible, brains like AQ Khan among other scientists. Condemn AQ Khan as much as you like for his proliferation activities but that still does not change the fact that he was the main architect of our nuclear technology. Without AQ Khan there w'd be no nuclear bomb just like Samar Mubarak Mohmand is the main architect of our nuclear missile technology. It's a bit like giving all the credit for media freedom to Musharraf. That w'd have happened any way because of the information age we are living in now. If not then it might have happened 5 or 6 years down the line but it would have happened. I know Musharraf took some desperate steps in 2007 but by and large all these different media channels flourished during his time.

Yes people like Ayoub Khan **who got a chance ( the only real chance ) for Kashmir during 1962 Indo - China war but could not attempt because he could not go against America.
**Yes people Like Yahya who gave East Pakistan in the hand of India.
Yes people like Mush and Zia who always plated American game
and rest only one N$
Cheh Pidi Cheh Pidi ka Shorbah

Sir jee
Jis ka haq hay usay milna chahiay.
Credit goes to Bhutto, Give him the credit.
Warnah Kehna paray ga

Kisi ki jan gai- Aap ki ada thehri.

Reverse_Swing · April 4, 2010, 3:15pm

^ I used the word ALL. I do give ZAB some credit. But the real credit should go to the people who actually made it possible, people like AQ Khan and Samar Mubarak Mohmand - period.

Do you then also give ALL the credit for media freedom to Musharraf because I don't!

TheRealDeal · April 4, 2010, 3:24pm

Well said Pasha saab :k:

Most people here are not much more than teenagers.

You have lived through this time period, and explain the legend of ZAB well

hanibal · April 4, 2010, 3:30pm

It is fashion to call anyone anything when one don't know how to answer... JI doesn't matter what their role was in the making of Pakistan but haven't played any role in breaking of Pakistan.. the credit is shared amoung the army generals, politicians of Mujeeb league and bhutto...

lonerangerm:

Saying that, NS, CS and people like these are even not equivalent to dust of Bhutto’s Shoes. Attributing him to the only responsible for creation of Bangladesh is the biggest lie in the history of Pakistan. He might be instrumental to Military dictator so were the, West Pakistan Media and people of West Pakistan who did not want Bengalis to rule the country. Bhutto did not create Al Badar and Al Shams who played havoc and genocide of Bengali young students and intellectuals. If you were in senses at that time, know that how establishment and media played role in that debacle by propagating six point plan of Sheikh Mujib. At that time we only knew that if Bengalis were given the government, it would take all the resources of West Pakistan and Bengalis would revenge the atrocities committed against them.

What make Bhuto different from the masses... different from the people like zardari, ns etc? Bhutto was product of the Sikander Mirza and Ayoub's marshal-laws... and if i am right then Bhutto was sided the forces who fought against Muhterma Fatima Jinnah.. now please don't start bashing her character...She was the Man among the politicians of those days....

Just for your information as other have agreed on it, Bhutto was part of Establishment, infact representator/negotiator from the Establishment... so who knows who was behind the idea of badr and shams

Are you smoking something, once the confidence and market is lost, it cannot be recovered, Pakistan enjoyed monopoly in textile industry in western market and i am sure you'll not say that after the undoing of nationalization-process, Pakistan re-gained it market??? or will you

Please do let me know what the so-called over hyped leader did for Pakistan... ???

hanibal · April 4, 2010, 3:35pm

None,

i don't worship any of them, they ain't worth my vote...

to me the real politicians were never given the chance by the land-lords of this country... bhutto did well to use the power-vaccum and stopped the emergence of the geniune leadership...

Right now we have this vacum again as there is nothing good coming out of the current political leadership.. Imran was thought as the emerging leader but he was nothing more than false alarm..

let see if the country can get the leadership.. but having seen the slave mentality of the masses here, it is doubtful... we are going to stuck with likes of zardari and ns

hanibal · April 4, 2010, 3:38pm

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I have to share a latest about Bhutto.

http://images.oneindia.in/oneindia-img/oneindia-logo.gif

Zulfikar Bhutto denounced Kissinger’s warning over nuclear programme: US official
Sunday, April 4, 2010,8:13 [IST]
lamabad, Apr.4 (ANI): Former Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto had rejected the then US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger’s warning to ‘disband’ Islamabad’s nuclear programme, Deputy chief of the US mission in Pakistan, Gerald Feuerstein, has said.

Buzz up!
In an interview with a private television channel, Feuerstein, who was witness to the meeting between Bhutto and Kissinger in 1976, said the top American diplomat had raised concerns over Bhutto’s plans to match India’s nuclear capabilities.

“Yes, it’s true that Bhutto rejected the warning and Pakistan continued with its nuclear programme. I was the protocol officer when Kissinger came to Pakistan in August 1976 and met Bhutto in Lahore,” Feuerstein said.

Describing Bhutto as Pakistan’s most gifted politician, he said: “The US president had sent three mercy pleas to General Zia-ul-Haq to save Bhutto.”

Responding to a question, Feuerstein also disclosed that former US President Bill Clinton had intervened when ex-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was sentenced under General Pervez Musharraf’s regime.

“Yes, president Clinton intervened,” The Daily Times quoted Feuerstein, as saying. (ANI)

It doesn’t make sense

Bhutto was hanged for planning to match the nuclear capabilities whereas the person who actually did the atomic blast thus declaring the nuclear capability of Pakistan was pardoned…why?

Anwer_Pasha · April 4, 2010, 6:58pm

I shall reply of why after about one year if I could be able to reply (For sake of national interest)
However if you can remember once before blast Israel sent commandos and they reached Kashmir but Pakistan sent its boats in water with …
and threatened to target Israel so they went away from Kashmir.
This is very old and blast were only open show otherwise perhaps it has been tested much before somewhere.
The atomic power was not only achievement of Bhutto.
Those are in hundreds but I count 1973 constitution his best.
What we gave in reply
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hG7MzCtcSWorlM:http://pakistaniat.com/images/FEC/FE-Chaudhry-Bhutto-court-2.jpg

NaMaan · April 4, 2010, 7:01pm

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I shall reply of why after about one year if I could be able to reply (For sake of national interest)
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With current government in power there can't be any bigger threat to ''national interest'' . Please go ahead and tell us .

Anwer_Pasha · April 4, 2010, 8:08pm

That has no concern with this government.

Zakk · April 4, 2010, 8:59pm

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i personally have never bought the theory Bhutto was "offed" by the US, while there anger with him was well known I believe his fall was due to a variety of factors ranging from personal to international. His role in pushing nuke programme ahead is accepted by people involved in the programme.

As far as the Israeli commandos conspiracy theory I remember Gohar Ayub going on about that prior to testing nukes ..again i believe it's more paranoia by our establishment.

Himalaya · April 4, 2010, 8:59pm

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I am sure Hitler had some good points too but it does not make him a good person. People can say good things about the Taliban ie they really clamped down on heroin production and established some law and order.

We should THANK ALLAH at least THREE of Pakistan's CORRUPT, GREEDY, SPINELESS, COWARDLY, CRUEL leaders have had justice served to them IN THIS WORLD.

People who GLOSS ZAB just shows HOW BLIND you are. If you REALLY think he is the best leader Pakistan has ever produced then thats not because he is in any way good but because he may have been a slightly LESSER EVIL.

Now we have to put up with one Bhutto after another in politics.

Zia Ul Haq did one thing right in his tenure - HE GOT RID OF the PARASITIC, POWER HUNGRY, CRUEL ZAB......

Why any one wants to GLOSS any of Pakistan's corrupt leadership I have no idea. People should be ashamed when they think of them dipping their dirty hands into the public coffers to fund theur lavish lifestyles whilst your average Pakistani has to work long hours, pay a fortune in medical bills for minor injuries, has to put up with excessive inflation.