Zulfikar Ali Bhutto- 31 years after him

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errrr..and?
what does any of this have to do with what I posted.

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A brief about him.
** Zulfikar Ali Bhutto **1928-1979]

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Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was born on January 5, 1928. He was the only son of Sir Shah Nawaz Bhutto. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto completed his early education from Bombay’s Cathedral High School. In 1947, he joined the University of Southern California, and later the University of California at Berkeley in June 1949. After completing his degree with honors in Political Science at Berkeley in June 1950, he was admitted to Oxford. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto married Nusrat Isphahani on September 8, 1951. He was called to Bar at Lincoln’s Inn in 1953, and the same year his first child, Benazir Bhutto, was born on June 21. On his return to Pakistan, Bhutto started practicing Law at Dingomal’s.
In 1958, he joined President Iskander Mirza’s Cabinet as Commerce Minister. He was the youngest Minister in Ayub Khans Cabinet. In 1963, he took over the post of Foreign Minister from Muhammad Ali Bogra.
His first major achievement was to conclude the Sino-Pakistan boundary agreement on March 2, 1963. In mid 1964, Bhutto helped convince Ayub of the wisdom of establishing closer economic and diplomatic links with Turkey and Iran. The trio later on formed the R. C. D. In June 1966, Bhutto left Ayub’s Cabinet over differences concerning the Tashkent Agreement.

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto launched Pakistan Peoples Party after leaving Ayub’s Cabinet. In the general elections held in December 1970, P. P. P. won a large majority in West Pakistan but failed to reach an agreement with Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rahman, the majority winner from East Pakistan. Following the 1971 War and the separation of East Pakistan, Yahya Khan resigned and Bhutto took over as President and Chief Martial Law Administrator on December 20, 1971. In early 1972, Bhutto nationalized ten categories of major industries, and withdrew Pakistan from the Commonwealth of Nations and S. E. A. T. O. when Britain and other western countries recognized the new state of Bangladesh. On March 1, he introduced land reforms, and on July 2, 1972, signed the Simla Agreement with India, which paved the way for the return of occupied lands and the release of Pakistani prisoners captured in East Pakistan in the 1971 war.
After the National Assembly passed the 1973 Constitution, Bhutto was sworn-in as the Prime Minister of the country.

On December 30, 1973, Bhutto laid the foundation of Pakistan’s first steel mill at Pipri, near Karachi. On January 1, 1974, Bhutto nationalized all banks. On February 22, 1974, the second Islamic Summit was inaugurated in Lahore. Heads of States of most of the 38 Islamic countries attended the Summit. Following a political crisis in the country, Bhutto was imprisoned by General Zia-ul-Haq, who imposed Martial Law on July 5, 1977.
On April 4, 1979, the former Prime Minister was hanged, after the Supreme Court upheld the death sentence passed by the Lahore High Court. The High Court had given him the death sentence on charges of murder of the father of a dissident P. P. P. politician.
Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was buried in his ancestral village at Garhi Khuda Baksh, next to his father’s grave.

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although he is no more was murdered by monster Zia but if you want us to belive he was a great leader then i beg to differ.

i belong to family who historically has and still are PPP voters i guess few of us are no more and in our childhood and much of my younger years i had admired him but no more...

people say all the ills that had happened in zia era but i would say corruption and nepotism and corruption started and was rampant in bhutto era.

it was full of conflicts and uncertainities and during this time pakistan lost the track due to massive nationalisation in name of socialism in actual what happened people properties were confiscated their factories were nationalized and handed over to the PPP jiyalas.

and what we have now is white elephants from PIA to Pakistan national shipping corporation.

bhutto himself was full of problems within himself all the good friends of him had to see jails in his term on his orders because he didnt like something in them, even he didnt let ellahi bux soomro who was witness to his wedding with nusrat bhutto.

he was no saviour feudal to the core ask one who wear a good dress or had a better car then him and came in front of him and afterwards what happened to him..

he belonged to the same class as soharto of indonesia who knew well that people of thrid world at that time like to hear big talk, are ignorant and like to live in dreams show them that and they would follow you dancing.

he was just lucky man to have got a Man's death like akbar bugti otherwise he was just a charmer...

now people would say he was a brave man i would still say no, type of psycho profile he had they simply dont accept defeat and also i think but not sure that he thought zia would not hang him.

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Can you tell me when bombings became a norm? Drugs? KKs? MQM? Need more?

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Junaid..it's true he had many many flaws..most historical figures do have many flaws. In retrospect we can argue over so many things that happened during his time.
His nationalisation programme was devastating to industry but in that time period it was commonplace..India was a far more closed society than Pakistan and yet it's economy is doing well now.

His feudal nature can't be doubted, it is a telling bit of trivia that after leaving Ayub Khan he was considering either joining the PML or NAP..one a feudal party and the second a leftist party before deciding to form his own party.

But he was also a transformative person, in many areas of Pakistan he brought politics to the people ..the Chaudhrys, Nawabs, Khan and mullahs couldn't assume they had perpetual control over their people..they had to fight for their votes. Similarly internationally and domestically his opponents largely acknowledge his unique abilities. Whether you read what Kennedy or Kissinger or Indira Gandhi or the late Yasser Arafat thought of him or if you read the countless books about him..

His critics can celebrate his hanging and cynics will condemn all politicians as being useless and unable to do anything good but that misses the point..because he was Pakistan's first popularly elected politician in Pakistan's history, because of the constitution his government passed, because of the nuclear programme and because of his brutal end he will remain a major historical figure.

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^ yup… 100% :k:

He was a true statesman Pakistan can ever produce !

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I have quoted judges references including sitting judge of supreme court who passed the judgment saying that it was a judicial murder. What judges are you talking about?

FSF was created and approved in 1973 by National Assembly. It was purely a federal government organization and it was not private militia of Bhutto. Get your historical facts straight.

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Some people have habit to criticize Bhutto.
They are right because they are unlucky because the persons,groups or parties they are supporting or in past they were supporting could not produce anyone even to quote.
Actually Muslim India is with very few names Like Qauid e Azam and Sir Syed and after partition …
Bhutto was not an angel and there is no perfect man after holy prophet AWS but he was intelligent , brave and smart person.
About judges I knew their character started or known since Malik Munir.
And more bad thing for me and I am ashamed of which that out of 8 five voted for hanging Bhutto. They all from my province.
And who gone with Mush only Four. All from my language. Dogar Khokhar , Butter. Abbasi. How sad.
**Kash In begarit logon ko koi sharam hoti.
Aur Aakhri Baat

Jis Dhaj say koi maqtal main gia woh shan salamat rehti hay
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Whatever his flaws and he had many, but he was a true statesman and Jinnah aside, I don't think Pakistan has had a statesman of his calibre or one who even gets close to him.

When he went to India after the 1071 war to negotiate with India I read an interview of Mrs. Gandhi in Newsweek where she praised his intellect and statesmanship. According to her the negotiation had failed and Bhutto was flying back from Simla more or less empty handed. At around 1 am at night he rang Mrs. Gandhi and requested one last meeting, to which she agreed and hurriedly called all her aides. Bhutto arrived and as they were talking he said to her that you have to give me something because if I go back empty handed a military coup could take place and the last thing she would want is another military govt to deal with in Pakistan. Mrs. Gandhi consulted her aides privately and they agreed that we could offer Bhutto two choices, either take the soldiers back or the captured land. Mrs Gandhi and her aides were of the opinion that he would jump at the chance of getting his soldiers released. They came back into the room and made the offer to Bhutto. Bhutto paced up and down the room for a little while and than turned around and said give me my lands back. Gandhi and her aides were surprised and that was the agreement. Mrs Gandhi said that only after Bhutto had left that they realised what a clever move it was because they would have to release the soldiers sooner or later but could have kept the lands the same way as Israel had done after the 1967 war.

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To me the Bhutto was no better than Nawaz Sharif and Ch. Shujaat, like nawaz and Shujaat he was production of military dictator, he was of the mentality to rule people with iron fist and give them huge talks.. i.e. challenging super powers, prior to his rule, there was not much hatred against USA and West, but he made this hatred his tool in the speeches, he did little in fact very little to serve Pakistan and he did everything to keep the status-quo in the country, where Land-lords can flourish and the doors for the common man were shut in the name of nationalization. Years after his death, we are still suffering from the moves he made... anyone who stand against the land-lord system is declared GHADDAR, anyone who challenges the rule of few families in Pakistan is labeled as terrorist...

He the so-called father of democracy, was not ready to give the democratically elected leader Sheikh Mujeeb his right to make govt. in center... this is Bhuto we know, he is the same man who wasted the only chance to save face in Eastern Pakistan by slapping and later being late in the meeting of Security Council held for cease-fire in then Eastern province of Pakistan.

I don't know if the historian will categorize him with Mir Sadiq/Jaffar or with Abu Abdullah of Spain, he did everything to destroy Pakistan, yes he had said many wise things but mere words cannot undo the damage he has done to Pakistan.

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This is untrue. He tried his best to solve the issue with Mujeeb and that time once he said that we have settledand with Mujeeb on 5 and a half points out of his six points and there was not much to do but in these circumstances there was nothing with Yahya to be in Power so they for a side declaring Mujeeb as future Prime minister and the other side they were going for Army action. Please don't blame Bhutto.
Power was with Yahya and force .
Same is done every time and responsible are the same who play every time.
And history after 31 years of his death declared him a hero.
How long you will wait further.

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Actually no he didn't. He is the real reason Bangladesh split from Pakistan. Mujeeb won the elections fair and square. He should have been Prime Minister.

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There suppose to be no discussions in the first place, Mujeeb WON the election... Period!!!! Mujeeb should make the govt... Bhutto brought him on the discussion table just to get a piece in the govt or entire govt... this do explain his lust of power... and he actually was able to keep him away from the govt.. just to make his own govt... Typical selfish land-lord...

Meer Jafar was considered Hero among the Bengalies for sometime, until the historian made him villian and one of the top-most Ghaddar in Muslim History.. Same will be the fate of Bhutto, the 1st ever Civil Martail Law Administrator in Pakistan...

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We count only a few events before 1958.
Riots in East Pakistan on issue of national language in !948
Win of Jugtoo front in East Pakistan provincial assembly and they were kicked out.
Establishing West Pakistan to counter the majority of East Pakistan and than so-called parity to not to give the right of majority. Hundred more events including enhansing the powers of P.M. and reducing the powers of governor general soon after the death of Qauid e Azam because new governor general Nazim ud din was from East Pakistan.
So this way the way was established by establishment of that time.
Bhutto was nowhere that time.
Waqt karta hay Parwaish Barson
Hadsah Aik dam naheen hota

Better you your self assess thousands reasons of the same from 1958 to 1971.

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Captain jee I think we have already discussed this. Was Musharraf an islamist? Absolutely not. But did we not see a rise of extremism after 9/11? The rise of Taliban extremism happened right under his nose (under MMA's government). So blaming Zia for all that is just handy and convenient. As I mentioned before, MQM apart, KK and drug culture was all a result of what was going on in Afghanistan. Whatsmore we had 4m guests most of them not known for any special skills other than drugs, arms, fahaashi and smuggling. Even if we had a progressive leader like Jinnah then we might have still seen all that. It is another matter that Jinnah would have dealt with the problem very differently

And as I mentioned before, Pakistanis are a closed society, most of us are deeply conservative when it comes to our religion and culture with very fixed and rigid ideas. Let's stop kidding ourselves that we are a progressive society because we are not. Zia or no Zia, some of us are just looking for an excuse to exploit Islam. So let's also see the problem in perspective. I always try to find the middle or 'miyanarawi' as we call in Islam. I have no time for islamists or extremist thugs like Taliban etc. As far as I am concerned parties like JI and MMA should not even be in politics!

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I don't agree hanibal..ZAB's role in East Pakistan was negative but it wasn't the decisive factor. Yes he was power hungry, yes if he wasn't so ambitious he could have helped prevent a lot of bloodshed..but factually he wasn't the ruler of Pakistan at that time;

Yahya Khan's regime ruled Pakistan through the point of a gun..and that regime looked contemptously down on civilians and Bengalis in particular. If ZAB was executed for his role in East Pakistan what about all those generals with blood on their hand?

Finally ZAB gets blamed for not particpating in National Assembly session, but it was Yahya Khans decision not to hold the session, which could have been held without the PPP because there were other party's willing to support the Awami League. Unfortunately Yahya's regime was already preparing to crackdown on the awami league.

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ZAB was Yahya Khan's key negotiator, now the post of negotiator is not equivalent to the post-master, where you just deliver the decision, negotiating demands certain skills which differs negotiators from the crowd.. if he was hell of the negotiator ( as suggested by others) then why the hell he could not reach the compromise, What kind of negotiator was he that he couldn't explain the ground realities to Drunk Yehya Khan? ZAB made Yehya to take all the decisions in favor of Bhuttooo...

Most importantly, ZAB claims that because the Tashqand accord is not in the favor of the country, HE walked out of from Ayoub's cabinet... then WTH was he doing with Yehya... if he was not able to deliver !!!!

The fact is ( and you may agree to that) his power-hunger nature is what fueled the situation, again his irresponsible behavior in UN and his vow to fight for 1000 years again proves that he was the man who spoke without keeping ground realities in mind...

To me he carries equal share along with Yehya and Mujeeb to break the country and that is only because he the GREAT ZAB wanted to be in power...

And once he was in Power.. he contd to show his incompetency and destroyed the economy... The Nationalization Policy alone was enough to throw Pakistan into stone-age... and to be honest, Pakistan has never re-covered from that shock... but yes.. he had big talks and thats all.. no relief to poor and common man in his 5/6 years.... sugar crisis, price-hikes, Jiyalism and all other kind of corruption was the result of his five years in Power...

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So Mir Jaffar can be pardoned? Can Mir Sadiq be pardoned? they were mere people on some powerful places on some certain time and they made some decisions....

well those decisions cost us everything... and 1970/71 bhutto happend to be in same situation, again he made some wrong decision, mirs mentioned above, he made decision to satisfy his lust... we as nation suffered for voting him in... infact still suffering... Zardari is there now to make sure ZAB missions continues..

2 years in power.. no electricity in and no plans to solve this crisis anytime soon...

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hanibal the Yahya Khan wasn't all powerful he had a regime of generals which were divided into pro Bhutto anti Bhutto, Pro establishment and so on (gul Hasan Khan, Pirzada, Sher ali ) but all were united on one point they could not conceive the idea of transferring power to civilians and in their minds even worse "Bengalis". Have a read of various books during that period..again ZAB could have averted many deaths if he'd been generous ..but again as I said his refusal to work with the AL was not the end of any agreement Mujib could have formed a government without working with ZAB. that was unacceptable to Yahya.

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Please mind it that it is very necessary to keep some standard while criticizing a popular person . People of Pakistan have always voted for Bhutto and you are always a positive man in different issues so this Mir Jaffer or Mir Sadiq type words should not be used for Bhutto. History has given its verdict in last 31 years and you can see the result. His grave is making or destroying governments in Pakistan.
Please give any name after Qauid e Azam to be quoted for good and many of the rulers are forgotten now. I hope that you will keep arguing against Bhutto but with....
Thora jia hath hola rakho.....