Zionist war criminal celebrating his 80ths birthday

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So it depends on Arial Sharon if he's a orthodox or a radical, also according to orthodox jews Land of Palestine is not for them but Arial Sharon believed or believes otherwise.

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There are many divisions within Judiasm

Judiasm cannot be looked as a monolithic whole

Same way there are protestants and catholics in christianity or sunni or shia in Islam

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I don't know where this "orthodox Jews oppose the state of Israel" nonsense comes from. Orthodox Jews prior to establishment of Israel believed the messiah would take care of giving them their homeland, that it was interference by man to make it happen. But almost ALL Jews believe Israel to be their land as promised by God.

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I know that...Ariel is a zionist and zionists are not traditional orthodox jews they call themselves "modern Jews" .

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how is he a zionist?

his parents were zionists

he was born in Palestine

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How is he not a zionist?

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How could you possibly know his religious values?

FYI, Islam isn’t the only religion that confuses you, apparently you have much to learn about Judiasm as well. First of all, it is VERY possible to be an orthodox Jew and a Zionist. Secondly:

Jewish law forbids active euthanasia and regards it as murder. There are no exceptions to this rule and it makes no difference if the person concerned wants to die.

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yes but not just yet. wait for the messiah dammit.

many orthodox jews believe in that which you call nonsense and hence refuse to acknowledge Israel as thier homeland, until their Messiah arrives.

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^ Ah, but it's too late. Already happend. Anyway, many believe to wait on messiah and many don't. But the "nonsense" is saying the land is not at one point or another (now or when messiah arrives) the promised land for Jews.

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I respect the the Jewish belief Israel to be their land as promised by GOD. Was Torah not written firstly? Therefor, does this not give credence to their self-determination. This being said, orthodox anything can make a person mean in their pursuits even when they think it is the will of GOD or blessed by God or sanctioned by GOD. Does this justify the means ? Unfortunately, too many people are living today who have escaped the judicial process for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Names easily chosen from all faiths and form secular and theocratic governments.

Its a shame history repeats itself but it is because humans are constantly born without experience of war , starvation, mutilation etc unless they have been reincarnated as some believe. ANd are they any more aware?

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By his actions.

Islam does not confuse me, your assumption is wrong.

I know about Judaism more than you.

Modern Orthodox Jews are zionists but Traditional Orthodox Jews are not.

Thanks for proving my point.

PS: Its the traditional Orthodox Jewish Law that forbids it like it forbids celebrating any idol worship related ritual like Valentine’s day etc.

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Its not. Its promised land for Bani Israel, who were muslims at one point.

Uberella, The Torah was written for Muslims. The changed version is wat the Jews now have.

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If you can tell Sharon's religious values from his actions, I can see your confusion regarding Islam from from your posts.

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I know about Judaism more than you.
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You haven't proven it so far.

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Modern Orthodox Jews are zionists but Traditional Orthodox Jews are not.
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If we want to stereotype, then this is true.

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Thanks for proving my point.
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What point is that? That you were wrong to say Judaism accepts euthanasia?

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PS: Its the traditional Orthodox Jewish Law that forbids it like it forbids celebrating any idol worship related ritual like Valentine's day etc.
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PPS: It's Jewish law, not any subset of law. Suicide and euthanasia are unequivocally rejected in modern Judaism.

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You see thats why I don’t like talking to you, the thread was about Ariel Sharon and you’ve started showing your immaturity by accusing me of being a confused person which surely I’m not, one can read mine and your posts to compare who’s confused about Islam.

I know more about Judaism than you because I know more about Islam than you and this is because Islam and Judaism have so many similarites.

Jewish policies

Like the trend among Protestants, Jewish medical ethics have become divided, partly on denominational lines, over euthanasia and end of life treatment since the 1970s. Generally, Orthodox Jewish thinkers oppose voluntary euthanasia, often vigorously,[26]](Euthanasia - Wikipedia) though there is some backing for voluntary passive euthanasia in limited circumstances.[27]](Euthanasia - Wikipedia) Likewise, within the Conservative Judaism movement, there has been increasing support for passive euthanasia (PAD)[28]](Euthanasia - Wikipedia) In Reform Judaism responsa, the preponderance of anti-euthanasia sentiment has shifted in recent years to increasing support for certain passive euthanasia (PAD) options.citation needed]

Conservative Judaism Movement and Reform Judaism is Modern Orthodox Judaism and not Traditional Orthodox Judaism.

My point was that Euthanasia is not completely forbidden among Jews specially Modern or Secular Jews unlike Traditional Orthodox Judaism…and Ariel Sharon is not a Traditional Orthodox Jew.
Your statement “euthanasia are unequivocally rejected in modern Judaism” is wrong.

Now we’ll talk if you can come up with some sense and maturity without accusing me of being confused about my religion otherwise I wouldn’t answer you.

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At age 10, Sharon entered the youth movement Zionist, Hassadeh (“the Field”).
In 1942 at the age of 14, Sharon joined the Gadna, a paramilitary youth battalion, and later the Haganah, the underground paramilitary force and the Jewish military precursor to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).

Interestingly enough, he was training as a militant at a very young age.

What Madrassa did he go to?

Oh wait…that’s a term reserved for Muslims…silly me!

And if you know the history of Haganah then you know it was one of the three most feared Terrorist organizations when British had control of then Palestine. Haganah used terrorist tactics much like Irgun and Stern gang, such as bombing to create unrest. King David Hotel is still revered as a prime example of such terrorist acts.

Only difference, these terrorists became leaders of their land and the world couldn’t be happier to accept them as such.

How delightful! :slight_smile:

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teggy, for bringing these truths about Sharon, you will now be branded an anti-Semite by ignorants.

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Harrem, I’ll ignore you points about immaturity, reasons why you don’t like to talk to me and that you have more knowledge since those are all off topic. Suffice to say I could easily come up with the same accusations and claims.

NO religion - even Islam which many like to believe holds monolithic points of view - has 100% of its adherents following the exact beliefs. You say proudly that euthanisa is haram in Islam, but there are Muslims and Islamic scholars who believe it is permissable to stop life support and medicine. A quick google, first click, came up with this:

It is the duty of the doctors, patient’s relatives and the state to take care of the sick and to do their best to reduce the pain and suffering of the sick, but they are not allowed under any circumstances to kill the sick person.

If, however, a number of medical experts determine that a patient is in a terminal condition and there is no hope for his/her recovery, then it could be permissible for them to stop the medication. If the patient is on life support, it may be permissible, with due consultation and care, to decide to switch off the life support machine and let the nature take its own time. Under no condition it is permissible to induce death to a patient.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543386So whatever level of acceptance of euthanasia by Jews today can also be found in Islam.

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Oh you’re the one who started this all accusation buisness by calling me confused about Islam.

Only in one condition,
4. As for facilitating death by withdrawing artificial resuscitating apparatus from the patient who is clinically regarded as “dead” or “practically dead” because of the damage to the brainstem or brain, with which human beings live and feel; if the action of the physician is merely stopping the treatment instruments, it will be no more than giving up the treatment, in which case his action is legal and permissible, bearing in mind that these instruments can preserve the apparent life of the patient - represented by breathing and
circulation - though the patient is actually dead, for he cannot conceive, feel or be sensitive to anything because of the damage of the source of all that, namely the brain. Keeping the patient in that state would waste vital resources and would prevent other maybe curable patients from benefiting from the instruments being occupied for the practically dead patient.
From Islamonline

And your point is?
Are you going to take your statement "Suicide and euthanasia are unequivocally rejected in modern Judaism" back?

غزل ۔ زہے نصیب ملی روشنی ادب کی مجھے
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The point is that the article you quoted said " in Reform Judaism the preponderance of anti-euthanasia sentiment has shifted in recent years to increasing support for** certain passive euthanasia (PAD) options**.

  1. It says citation needed. I’ll assume you know what that means.
  2. It says sentiment has shifted for the support of PAD optoins. Not religious law, but sentiment. I’ll assume you know the difference.

Yes, as soon as you take back your statement that euthanasia is haram in Islam. What Islamonline describes as the condition for allowing it in Islam is describing passive euthanasia - the very same thing that this uncited statement claims has increasing support amoung modern Judaism.

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He is one by the definition of some here :P too late for that now.