Re: Zionist...Not Jewish!
Accept Israel as a state. Stop losig wars. Negotiate peace.
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wars? U mean accept Israel and the bombardment might just slow down?
Zionisms knows no decency or bounds....
Re: Zionist...Not Jewish!
Accept Israel as a state. Stop losig wars. Negotiate peace.
Accepting Israel yes, but accepting their policies and the brutal approach to kill every second Palestinian...how will you make them accept a state ruled by mass murderers? By killing more of them who oppose the threat?
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As if Israel attacks in a vaccuum. Palestinians and Arabs are angelic creatures, nothing more than victims, never attacking Israel :halo:
As I said: Arabs attacked Israel right away. Terrorist attacks against Israelis began right away. They have continued ever since. The stated goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel. There is no way an unbiased person (let’s say someone from another planet) could say *either *side is not at fault and committing terrorism.
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Representatives of the Ottoman Empire signed the Treaty of Sèvres which gave control of Jordan and modern day Israel to the British Mandate of Palestine. It was never an official country. Ever.
False. They were displaced at the encouragment of Arab states when the Arab states started the war. Secular states are the future. Religious states are not. They are in the trash bins of history for a reason. I could go into more detail but it is not in your favor.
Peace Seminole
The true Ottoman Empire was defuncked well before this treaty and the persons who signed were nobody's ... people paid off. Go check it up! You will see no reference to religious authorities of any significant rank who sign on to this treaty. And what exactly did the treaty say? Do you know that? I'll give you time to check that up also.
Besides this treaty was annulled.
And the whole point is not about signing treaties to allocate land. The point is about the ethics of it. If those countries were so concerned about Europeans who were being persecuted in Europe by other Europeans then they should have been given European lands as their home. Furthermore the imposition of the the state of Israel despite the people who signed on the lines was unjust because it meant systematically displacing a people from their land and their homes ... this is still going on today. They could have been given uninhabited land.
If you want to take over political rule of a country you can do so without genocide and if you are not wanted in that land then you better be prepared to fight for it.
The current rehousing strategies are stupid and injustices are happening at every level.
There are some acquifers in Palestinian land they provide fresh water to the Palestinians. These waters are being accessed by underground channels for Israel and in return Israel have kindly set-up a water desalination plant on the coast and pump the water to Palestinian lands for them to use ... for a price of course! So why do you think they cannot use their own water supply?
Then there is the border and the wall that they got some two year old to create with a pencil over a map of Israel.
The injustices are endless ... political visibility does not undo the ethical injustices ... that is my point.
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Please Seminole, let us not discuss on Hamas for that you will be nailed onto the wall.
But I would like to have read on this article.
Although I know you hardly will agree on anything I post, It’s a try worth.
And no its not a communist site I have quoted here.
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And the whole point is not about signing treaties to allocate land. The point is about the ethics of it. If those countries were so concerned about Europeans who were being persecuted in Europe by other Europeans then they should have been given European lands as their home. Furthermore the imposition of the the state of Israel despite the people who signed on the lines was unjust because it meant systematically displacing a people from their land and their homes ... this is still going on today. They could have been given uninhabited land.
If Muslims were scattered and persecuted around the globe and didn't have their ancestoral homeland, would you be in favor of setting up their country in Europe or Saudi Arabia? And as long as we are reccomending reading mateiral, please do read up on why Palestinians were originally displaced in the 1940's. How many were actually displaced by Israelis?
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If you want to take over political rule of a country you can do so without genocide and if you are not wanted in that land then you better be prepared to fight for it.
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And they have. And they have defeated Palestinians and Arabs at every turn. Because of the fight Palestinians and Arabs initiated, they are poor, miserable, displaced, occupied and living in sewage. So instead of being whiney about their plight, they should realize they should have been prepared for that when they first attacked in 1948.
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Accept Israel as a state. Stop losig wars. Negotiate peace.
Accept Israel as a state confined to the original borders it was allotted would make little sense if any. As for wars, since the Palestinian state does not officially exist how can they be in a state of war with Israel. The surrounding states with the exception of Syria are not in a state of war with Israel. So Palestinian determination should not be aligned with neighboring countries state of war. So this is baseless argument for the present state of affairs. Peace negotiations can only happen as indicated when Israel allows the Palestinians daily affairs to resume to normal and it stops expanding illegally. These are arguments of the past, I want to know about present day solutions from stoping Israel from illegally occupying Palestinian territory.
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If Muslims were scattered and persecuted around the globe and didn't have their ancestoral homeland, would you be in favor of setting up their country in Europe or Saudi Arabia? And as long as we are reccomending reading mateiral, please do read up on why Palestinians were originally displaced in the 1940's. How many were actually displaced by Israelis?
And they have. And they have defeated Palestinians and Arabs at every turn. Because of the fight Palestinians and Arabs initiated, they are poor, miserable, displaced, occupied and living in sewage. So instead of being whiney about their plight, they should realize they should have been prepared for that when they first attacked in 1948.
Bold assumption, no facts?
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And please stop using "Arabs attacked first" argument to justify the atrocities committed by this illegal state. They came and took over land that was not theirs, that never belonged to them. Arabs had all rights to attack them, THAT can be justified.
When an invasion occurs on ur land, you fight to get rid of it. Its simple.
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Accept Israel as a state confined to the original borders it was allotted would make little sense if any. As for wars, since the Palestinian state does not officially exist how can they be in a state of war with Israel. The surrounding states with the exception of Syria are not in a state of war with Israel. So Palestinian determination should not be aligned with neighboring countries state of war. So this is baseless argument for the present state of affairs.
Tell all the Israelis who have died and lived in terror becuase of Palestinian attacks that it's baseless. I'm not suggesting that Israel needs peace treaties with other neighbors, but they have to be safe and secure from continuous attacks.
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Peace negotiations can only happen as indicated when Israel allows the Palestinians daily affairs to resume to normal and it stops expanding illegally. These are arguments of the past, I want to know about present day solutions from stoping Israel from illegally occupying Palestinian territory.
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If Palestinians made serious peace efforts with Israel, Israel will be forced to allow Palestinians to resume normal life and to stop expanding.
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And please stop using "Arabs attacked first" argument to justify the atrocities committed by this illegal state. They came and took over land that was not theirs, that never belonged to them. Arabs had all rights to attack them, THAT can be justified.
When an invasion occurs on ur land, you fight to get rid of it. Its simple.
And those you attacked will attack back. THAT is justified. So if you are going to attack, be expected to be attacked back. Pretty simple.
BTW, other Arab countries had no rights to that land. They were not justifed at all in attacking the new state of Israel.
Regardless, they did and they have been beaten ever since. Those are the facts as they stand today.
Israel is there. Israel is going to be there. Can we take the discussion to the next level now?
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Bold assumption, no facts?
It's called a hypothetical for comparison sake. IF Muslims were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and scatttered across the globe, would you want the UN to make a country for Muslims in Europe or in Saudi Arabia?
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It's called a hypothetical for comparison sake. IF Muslims were kicked out of Saudi Arabia and scatttered across the globe, would you want the UN to make a country for Muslims in Europe or in Saudi Arabia?
No, the assumption made was Israel was jew's ancestral home. Thats what I was referring to.
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Peace mercenary2k
I can't believe you can say that Crescent thinks 2 dimensionally when you know he attends a Jewish run university ??? What ... do you think a 2D thinker would think "Oh, yes, I'm going to study there at there Jewish Uni" or do you think a 2D thinker is going to distinguish between types of Jews?
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Have you seen his art?
... Nope if anyone is 2D I would place more on the accuser of planar thinking than the one being accused of it.
So attending a Jewish run university is the criteria of 2D thinking?
There are many muslims who live in the west and hate it.
They are 2D in their thinking and are hypocrites
They hate the west but don't want to go back to their countries
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O Just like your tax dollars? Just like everything else you give money for in the west?
This uni has by far the largest number of pro-palestinian rallies in toronto and with a huge population of zionists attending this university, we make sure they're dealt with great opposition. Ironically, they're outnumbered and usually hold all their rallies in secret. For they know what awaits them when they come out in public.
Similarily it will happen for the "state" of israel. They already had their asses kicked by hezb. So I wouldn't even call it the surival of the fittest, because the poorest of the poorest eradicted their invading army.
My Tax Dollars is something out my control. the government choses how to spend them
But attending a Jewish University is something within your control
Why add more fuel to the fire?
Why not take a moral stand and not attend a Jewish run university in which they are sending money to Israel
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If Muslims were scattered and persecuted around the globe and didn't have their ancestoral homeland, would you be in favor of setting up their country in Europe or Saudi Arabia? And as long as we are reccomending reading mateiral, please do read up on why Palestinians were originally displaced in the 1940's. How many were actually displaced by Israelis?
And they have. And they have defeated Palestinians and Arabs at every turn. Because of the fight Palestinians and Arabs initiated, they are poor, miserable, displaced, occupied and living in sewage. So instead of being whiney about their plight, they should realize they should have been prepared for that when they first attacked in 1948.
Peace Seminole
I am a Muslim with a Pakistani origin. I was born in the UK ... my birth right is the UK ... it is my right to fight anyone who wishes to throw me out of the UK. The Germans wanted to annihilate the Jews so history informs. If any land was to be made for the European 'Jews' that were being thrown out should have been made in the land where the oppression was coming from in the land where those who were persecuted were indigenous to. It did not provide any justice to take those people and rehome them by displacing another people.
Alas, the intention was always there. The mockup of WW1 and WW2 were both designed to initially destablise the Khilafah and then to create Israel. The role of the Rothschilds family was paramount in that too.
The elite in the UK are intertwined with blood ties in France and Germany and the people funding the wars for both sides Allies and Nazis was the same establishment. Verily, the zionists paid and funded the Nazi cause to create global sympathy for their greater aim. Such has been the case throughout recent history 9/11 being another catalyst to invade another oil rich country.
Now Palestinians are fighting Israelis ... I say let them it is their right ... Israelis want to fight back ... I say why invade if you are not ready to fight back ... so they are justified in that action too ... What is more ethical and who are morally higher? ... That is undeniably the original tenants of that holy land the descendants of the Hebrews and Philistines who are currently the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Arabs in that region not the Europeans.
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My Tax Dollars is something out my control. the government choses how to spend them
But attending a Jewish University is something within your control
Why add more fuel to the fire?
Why not take a moral stand and not attend a Jewish run university in which they are sending money to Israel
I see, so the government you vote for doesnt make agendas and introduces bills and tax reforms?